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Tuesday, February 26, 2013

CONFER: Buehrle is barking up the wrong tree with his kids

If dogs run free, then why not Buehrle.

I see his residency decision quite differently than they did. Whereas they see him as some sort of hero, I see him as a well-intentioned but ultimately bad parent. I love animals, but I love humans a lot more. To me, the real family – mother, son, and daughter – should take precedence over Slater.

Being an absentee father in order to cater to a dog isn’t touching. It’s touched. What sort of father would not want to spend his days with his 5-year old son and 3-year old daughter? Their youth is short-lived and precious. These are the days and years in which they are so cute (more so than any dog ever could be) and their brains and hearts soak up so much information and love. They need their dad to help provide that intellectual and emotional nourishment. Having him 800 miles away – in another country, no less – will do them no good. Sure, his ballplayer’s income will give them all the material goods that they’ll ever need or want, but, for 6 or 7 months out of the year they’ll be without the possession which they need the most – their father.

Suppose Buehrle plays out the rest of his career in Toronto. He’s only 33 and is still a darn good pitcher (he sports a 3.82 lifetime ERA), so it wouldn’t be out of the question for him to play another 7 years in the Bigs, especially for a rejuvenated Blue Jays organization (to which he’s obligated to at least three seasons). Will he continue to maintain the great divide between himself and his kin over that period? I hope not. By then, his kids will be 12 and 10. That’s a good portion of their childhood to throw away.

...He needs to love what matters most – his own flesh and blood, and not some dog. By doing so, he won’t end his solid MLB career with any regrets — he’ll feel like an accomplished father and not just an accomplished ballplayer.

 

 

Repoz Posted: February 26, 2013 at 06:06 AM | 106 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: February 26, 2013 at 08:47 AM (#4376145)
Buehhhhhhrrrr-leeee!
As free as the wind blows!
As free as the grass grows!
Beuhrle, he follows his heart....!
   2. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: February 26, 2013 at 09:09 AM (#4376154)
What a disgraceful article. The author is a cad.
   3. The District Attorney Posted: February 26, 2013 at 09:17 AM (#4376156)
I agree that I wouldn't personally make this decision, but it would still never occur to me to write an article for the newspaper about how Mark Buehrle should raise his family.
   4. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: February 26, 2013 at 09:26 AM (#4376163)
Lets do some math. First of all, his kids are of school age. Presumably, they wouldn't move until the school year was over, and move back once it begins. For simplicity, lets say school ends Jun 1 and begins Sep 1. So he's really only away from them for 3 months. But of course he'll be on road trips half that time anyway. So we're really talking only 1.5 months, say 7 weeks. 7 weeks in which he's working 8-10 hours a day, mostly from mid afternoon until late at night, and all day on Sunday. How much quality time does a ballplayer get to spend with his kids during the season really? IMO, he's not giving up that much, and it's really nobody's business but the Buehrle's.
   5. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: February 26, 2013 at 09:36 AM (#4376169)
I agree that I wouldn't personally make this decision, but it would still never occur to me to write an article for the newspaper about how Mark Buehrle should raise his family.

But, won't somebody think of the children!?!
   6. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: February 26, 2013 at 09:54 AM (#4376177)
I read the headline as "Conifer: Buerhle is barking up the wrong tree with his kids." Gives the article a whole different spin.
   7. The Piehole of David Wells Posted: February 26, 2013 at 10:35 AM (#4376204)
Here's my question: How in the hell do you find this stuff, Repoz? Who reads the sports page of the Niagara Gazette, circulation 15,159?
   8. Hello Rusty Kuntz, Goodbye Rusty Cars Posted: February 26, 2013 at 10:50 AM (#4376208)
What sort of father would not want to spend his days with his 5-year old son and 3-year old daughter? Their youth is short-lived and precious. These are the days and years in which they are so cute


I mean, at least wait until they're 7 and no longer cute.
   9. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 26, 2013 at 11:00 AM (#4376214)
He should have his children taken away.
   10. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: February 26, 2013 at 11:01 AM (#4376218)
I agree that I wouldn't personally make this decision, but it would still never occur to me to write an article for the newspaper about how Mark Buehrle should raise his family.

Why? We the community have an interest in Buehrle's children being productive and well-adjusted citizens and, therefore, the way he raises them is of community concern.

   11. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 26, 2013 at 11:07 AM (#4376224)
There is trolling, and then there is stunt trolling...
   12. Hello Rusty Kuntz, Goodbye Rusty Cars Posted: February 26, 2013 at 11:40 AM (#4376248)
Gasport resident Bob Confer also writes for the New American magazine at TheNewAmerican.com.

According to bobconfer.net, that's the official magazine of the John Birch Society.
   13. DL from MN Posted: February 26, 2013 at 11:57 AM (#4376271)
How in the hell do you find this stuff, Repoz?


Is this one of those "monitor the enemy" things?
   14. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: February 26, 2013 at 12:03 PM (#4376278)
Why? We the community have an interest in Buehrle's children being productive and well-adjusted citizens and, therefore, the way he raises them is of community concern.




And failing to see their father for a couple hours a day every day for a few weeks in the summer is going to irreparably harm them? Or harm then in an even insignificant way? My wife is an airline pilot, and thus is away from our children for days at a time, every week, for 48 weeks of the year every year of their lives. Many thousands, perhaps millions of children "suffer" similar or worse parental separation than the Buehrle children will experience.

note: I'm not really responding to SBB and his ridiculous post, but pointing out the other side to anyone who might be slightly moved by his absurd point. Society has about 10 billion more pressing concerns than if a millionaires kids can't live with daddy a few weeks out of the year.
   15. Long Time Listener, First Time Caller Posted: February 26, 2013 at 12:07 PM (#4376279)
I suspected that we'd see a certain contrarian extremist show up in this thread but I couldn't for the life of me figure out what angle someone could possibly take to be on the opposite side of common sense on this issue. I was not prepared for the breathtaking awesomeness of what befell.

If you have 15 children and 1 dog, do you let the Blue Jays put a contract to your head? The eternal question.
   16. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: February 26, 2013 at 12:09 PM (#4376281)
if you have 15 children, you should have at least 10 of them taken away.
   17. Long Time Listener, First Time Caller Posted: February 26, 2013 at 12:10 PM (#4376282)
Buehrle was a good father at the beginning...
   18. Hello Rusty Kuntz, Goodbye Rusty Cars Posted: February 26, 2013 at 12:16 PM (#4376288)
if you have 15 children, you should have at least 10 of them taken away.


Buehrle is famous for working quickly.
   19. SoSH U at work Posted: February 26, 2013 at 12:30 PM (#4376298)
It really isn't uncommon for guys to have families elsewhere, in part for the reasons misirlou lists, or if their kids/wife have made friends, like the school, wife has a job, etc.

However, if the Buehrle clan would have otherwise moved to Toronto but stayed only because of the dog ban, then that's a bit different (and peculiar for a guy who was so outspoken about retiring early to spend time with his family). His call, of course, but not one I could support if my opinion mattered.

   20. Randy Jones Posted: February 26, 2013 at 12:36 PM (#4376303)
So, I'm not clicking the link, but is the issue that his family is staying wherever they are now because they can't bring their dog to Canada? If so, they are absolutely making the right decision.

However, if the Buehrle clan would have otherwise moved to Toronto but stayed only because of the dog ban, then that's a bit different (and peculiar for a guy who was so outspoken about retiring early to spend time with his family).

Not if they consider their dog part of the family.
   21. Esoteric Posted: February 26, 2013 at 12:37 PM (#4376305)
In a thread where a bunch of Primer tropes have been tiredly marched out, #18 actually made me laugh out loud.
   22. JJ1986 Posted: February 26, 2013 at 12:38 PM (#4376307)
If his family has been living in St. Louis, then he's been away from them during the season for the kids' whole lives.
   23. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: February 26, 2013 at 12:44 PM (#4376310)
Last year they lived in Broward county, FL.
   24. SoSH U at work Posted: February 26, 2013 at 12:44 PM (#4376311)
Not if they consider their dog part of the family.


And that's an attitude that's just never made any sense to me. I like dogs, and we've got one, but I don't mistake him for any of my kids.
   25. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: February 26, 2013 at 12:50 PM (#4376318)
And that's an attitude that's just never made any sense to me. I like dogs, and we've got one, but I don't mistake him for any of my kids.


And if you had to choose between living away from your kids for an extra 7 weeks while you work 8-10 hours a day, or get rid of the dog, what would you choose? Choosing the former does not mean one is mistaking the dog for one of the kids.
   26. drdr Posted: February 26, 2013 at 12:53 PM (#4376319)
1. Have they been with him in Chicago and Florida?
2. For players, family home is primarily winter question, unless they plan to move their whole family every year in October/November and April. If he doesn't want to spend winter in Canada, why would he move his family there? How many players have their families with them during the season, and then relocate for the winter? Specially if they have schoolkids?
   27. SoSH U at work Posted: February 26, 2013 at 12:56 PM (#4376322)
As I said _ and keeping in mind that my opinion matters not a whit when it comes to how Mark Buehrle and his family choose to live _ if the family would have otherwise relocated to Toronto but refrained from doing so just because of a dog, then I find that decision to be one I couldn't get behind. If the dog is just one of many factors (such as the ones both you and I listed above), then I find that decision perfectly understandable. I have no idea where Buehrle fits in, nor do I particularly care.
   28. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: February 26, 2013 at 12:58 PM (#4376325)
then I find that decision to be one I couldn't get behind.


Rest assured that the Buerhles are taking your position into consideration.
   29. SoSH U at work Posted: February 26, 2013 at 01:00 PM (#4376326)
Rest assured that the Buerhles are taking your position into consideration.


Oh for Christ's sake, I really can't be any ####### clearer that my opinion doesn't mean #### to them.

   30. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 26, 2013 at 01:00 PM (#4376328)

Not if they consider their dog part of the family.


And that's an attitude that's just never made any sense to me. I like dogs, and we've got one, but I don't mistake him for any of my kids.


I don't mistake my uncle for my kids either, but I still consider him family.
   31. Randy Jones Posted: February 26, 2013 at 01:01 PM (#4376329)
And that's an attitude that's just never made any sense to me. I like dogs, and we've got one, but I don't mistake him for any of my kids.


Funny that you don't even consider the possibility that the kids wanted to stay with the dog...
   32. SoSH U at work Posted: February 26, 2013 at 01:02 PM (#4376330)

I don't mistake my uncle for my kids either, but I still consider him family.


Is he a hamster?

   33. SoSH U at work Posted: February 26, 2013 at 01:06 PM (#4376332)
Funny that you don't even consider the possibility that the kids wanted to stay with the dog...


I didn't consider any number of possibilities, in part because I've got no idea everything that went into the decision. And if I were ripping Mark Buehrle for this decision, which I'm not, that would be worth noting.
   34. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: February 26, 2013 at 01:18 PM (#4376335)
Gasport resident Bob Confer also writes for the New American magazine at TheNewAmerican.com.

According to bobconfer.net, that's the official magazine of the John Birch Society.


Wait, Conifer is a Birch? What's going on here?
   35. zonk Posted: February 26, 2013 at 01:21 PM (#4376337)
Here's my question: How in the hell do you find this stuff, Repoz? Who reads the sports page of the Niagara Gazette, circulation 15,159?


Little known fact: If play Pavement bootlegs backwards, digitize the output, it actually makes for a nifty web sniffing algorithm...
   36. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: February 26, 2013 at 01:42 PM (#4376349)

Funny that you don't even consider the possibility that the kids wanted to stay with the dog...



I didn't consider any number of possibilities, in part because I've got no idea everything that went into the decision. And if I were ripping Mark Buehrle for this decision, which I'm not, that would be worth noting.


You said

the family would have otherwise relocated to Toronto but refrained from doing so just because of a dog, then I find that decision to be one I couldn't get behind.

So, the possibility that the kids didn't want to give up the dog is something you can't get behind.

   37. SoSH U at work Posted: February 26, 2013 at 01:50 PM (#4376353)
So, the possibility that the kids didn't want to give up the dog is something you can't get behind.


If it were the only reason, no, I wouldn't.

Let me put it this way: If Mark Buehrle was a buddy of mine (and, thus, valued my opinion) and told me he'd been traded to Toronto, he'd like the family to join him and the family wants to join him, but they've got this pitbull ban standing in the way, what do I think he should do. I'd tell him to simply find another home for the damn dog. Letting any animal be a barrier to that doesn't make any sense to me. YMMV.
   38. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 26, 2013 at 02:03 PM (#4376363)
If I found a job in a place they said I couldn't have a cat, Mrs. Shooty would tell me to not forget to write. I have no illusions.

Also, I think the bans against pit bulls are really unfair. The two sweetest dogs I have ever known are both pit bulls.
   39. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: February 26, 2013 at 02:09 PM (#4376368)
And if you had to choose between living away from your kids for an extra 7 weeks while you work 8-10 hours a day, or get rid of the dog, what would you choose?

You choose the kids. And the kids should choose you. If that's not the way it goes, chances are you are a sh!t father anyway, and maybe it's best you are in a different country.
   40. John Northey Posted: February 26, 2013 at 02:14 PM (#4376371)
I was surprised he didn't find a place near the US border. Buffalo is around a 2 hour drive (or very short flight), Niagara Falls a 90 minute drive. Neither are my favorite places, but to keep family close and having millions to my disposal they'd sure work better than St Louis (12 hour drive). I'm sure he could've had a private plane at the ready on the island airport for post-game flights back and forth (that airport is extremely close to the dome, around 1 mile) if he preferred that to driving.
   41. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: February 26, 2013 at 02:16 PM (#4376373)
You choose the kids. And the kids should choose you. If that's not the way it goes, chances are you are a sh!t father anyway, and maybe it's best you are in a different country.

Which is exactly what the kids will think when they get old enough to reflect upon this time in their lives and the decision their father made. Of course they'll have the advantage of knowing their father the man, without the obstacle of being bogged down in fanboy.
   42. Randy Jones Posted: February 26, 2013 at 02:22 PM (#4376378)
You choose the kids. And the kids should choose you. If that's not the way it goes, chances are you are a sh!t father anyway, and maybe it's best you are in a different country.


I hope you don't have any children, because judging from this post, chances are you would be a sh!t father.
   43. The Good Face Posted: February 26, 2013 at 02:22 PM (#4376379)
Also, I think the bans against pit bulls are really unfair. The two sweetest dogs I have ever known are both pit bulls.


I dunno. On the one hand, I like pit bulls. I volunteer at an urban animal shelter, so I've met and worked with many, many pit bulls, and some of them are incredibly sweet dogs. Friendly, eager to please, affectionate, etc. On the other hand, they are freakishly strong for their size, and have a tremendously powerful bite compared to other dog breeds. The statistics are not kind to pit bulls; they're wildly over-represented in both dog attacks and dog attacks resulting in human fatalities. I suppose it's possible that they're no more aggressive than other dogs, but simply cause more damage when they do lose it and attack people. As people who are supposed to care about facts and data, it's hard to ignore the numbers that show pit bulls really are much more dangerous than other dogs by a massive margin. Not saying I support such bans, but there are some legitimate arguments there.
   44. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: February 26, 2013 at 02:24 PM (#4376383)
I dunno. On the one hand, I like pit bulls. I volunteer at an urban animal shelter, so I've met and worked with many, many pit bulls, and some of them are incredibly sweet dogs. Friendly, eager to please, affectionate, etc. On the other hand, they are freakishly strong for their size, and have a tremendously powerful bite compared to other dog breeds. The statistics are not kind to pit bulls; they're wildly over-represented in both dog attacks and dog fatalities. I suppose it's possible that they're no more aggressive than other dogs, but simply cause more damage when they do lose it and attack people. As people who are supposed to care about facts and data, it's hard to ignore the numbers that show pit bulls really are much more dangerous than other dogs by a massive margin. Not saying I support such bans, but there are some legitimate arguments there.

And Mark Buehrle's leaving his with a five and three year old, 12 hours away. Let's all applaud his mastery as a father!!!!!!
   45. JJ1986 Posted: February 26, 2013 at 02:26 PM (#4376386)
And Mark Buehrle's leaving his with a five and three year old, 12 hours away.


That's pretty much equivalent to loading one bullet into a gun with 15 chambers and then shooting his kids in the head.
   46. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: February 26, 2013 at 02:29 PM (#4376390)
That's pretty much equivalent to loading one bullet into a gun with 15 chambers and then shooting his kids in the head.

Hell hath no fury like a fanboy scorned.
   47. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: February 26, 2013 at 02:30 PM (#4376391)

I hope you don't have any children, because judging from this post, chances are you would be a sh!t father.


I do! One awesome daughter. The idea of being away from her so as not to disturb the family relationship with Fido is so ridiculous I don't know what to say. Nothing is more important than actually being there for your kids.
   48. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 26, 2013 at 02:32 PM (#4376395)
The statistics are not kind to pit bulls; they're wildly over-represented in both dog attacks and dog attacks resulting in human fatalities. I suppose it's possible that they're no more aggressive than other dogs, but simply cause more damage when they do lose it and attack people. As people who are supposed to care about facts and data, it's hard to ignore the numbers that show pit bulls really are much more dangerous than other dogs by a massive margin. Not saying I support such bans, but there are some legitimate arguments there.

I think you have to look at the context of who owns them. A lot of jackasses who have no business having a dog have a pit bull out of some sense of misguided machismo. (My favorite story about this is when I was sitting in the waiting room at the ASPCA hospital and these two young kids came in with a pit bull but they didn't have the money to pay the bill. Well, that's not what's funny--what was funny is that one of the geniuses was wearing a Michael Vick jersey. Hey let's go hit up the SPCA for free care for our dog, but wait a minute, let's make sure I look like a complete douche before we go.) I think instead of a ban you should have to license your pit bull, prove it has been spayed or neutered, and have a brief interview with animal control so that they know you're not a jackass.
   49. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: February 26, 2013 at 02:34 PM (#4376396)
I dunno. On the one hand, I like pit bulls. I volunteer at an urban animal shelter, so I've met and worked with many, many pit bulls, and some of them are incredibly sweet dogs. Friendly, eager to please, affectionate, etc. On the other hand, they are freakishly strong for their size, and have a tremendously powerful bite compared to other dog breeds. The statistics are not kind to pit bulls; they're wildly over-represented in both dog attacks and dog fatalities. I suppose it's possible that they're no more aggressive than other dogs, but simply cause more damage when they do lose it and attack people. As people who are supposed to care about facts and data, it's hard to ignore the numbers that show pit bulls really are much more dangerous than other dogs by a massive margin. Not saying I support such bans, but there are some legitimate arguments there.


When I see some super-macho dude walking around with a dog hasn't been been fixed and obviously hasn't been well-trained and that has a spiked metal collar, the dog is inevitably a pit bull. I think that a lot of the statistics about pit bulls being dangerous come because people who want dangerous dogs or who want to look like a thug get pit bulls.

EDIT: Coke to Shooty.
   50. Randy Jones Posted: February 26, 2013 at 02:34 PM (#4376397)
I do! One awesome daughter. The idea of being away from her so as not to disturb the family relationship with Fido is so ridiculous I don't know what to say. Nothing is more important than actually being there for your kids.


As has been pointed out, by the requirements of his job, Buehrle is not going to be around much anyway. He is missing very little time that he would actually be spending with his kids and in exchange, they get to keep the family pet. The fact that you believe this makes Buehrle a bad father says more about you than it does about him.
   51. Srul Itza Posted: February 26, 2013 at 02:35 PM (#4376398)
Do you really need any reason not to want to expose your kids to Canada?
   52. Srul Itza Posted: February 26, 2013 at 02:38 PM (#4376402)
I was surprised he didn't find a place near the US border. Buffalo is around a 2 hour drive (or very short flight), Niagara Falls a 90 minute drive.


Jeez, that's almost as bad as being in Canada.
   53. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: February 26, 2013 at 02:39 PM (#4376405)
As has been pointed out, by the requirements of his job, Buehrle is not going to be around much anyway.

Not that much is still way, way better than not at all. Especially when they are young like that, those are the best years.

He could be in Canada for years, that time adds up.
   54. SoSH U at work Posted: February 26, 2013 at 02:43 PM (#4376406)

When I see some super-macho dude walking around with a dog hasn't been been fixed and obviously hasn't been well-trained and that has a spiked metal collar, the dog is inevitably a pit bull. I think that a lot of the statistics about pit bulls being dangerous come because people who want dangerous dogs or who want to look like a thug get pit bulls.


That's undoubtedly some of it, but whether the pit bull is more likely to bite than the average breed, the simple fact is they're just better at it when they do.

I do think the licensure, spay/neuter and education solution noted in Shooty's post is a fine alternative to outright bans. I reject the idea that pitbulls (or similar makes and models) are no different than any other kind of dog.
   55. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: February 26, 2013 at 02:43 PM (#4376407)
Lets do some math. First of all, his kids are of school age. Presumably, they wouldn't move until the school year was over, and move back once it begins. For simplicity, lets say school ends Jun 1 and begins Sep 1. So he's really only away from them for 3 months. But of course he'll be on road trips half that time anyway. So we're really talking only 1.5 months, say 7 weeks. 7 weeks in which he's working 8-10 hours a day, mostly from mid afternoon until late at night, and all day on Sunday. How much quality time does a ballplayer get to spend with his kids during the season really? IMO, he's not giving up that much, and it's really nobody's business but the Buehrle's.

Let's do some math, only this time do it right. If the family's in TO, that's 81 days plus homestand offdays the family's together that they aren't together otherwise (save the occasional road trip, though I'm not sure how that would work). Buehrle's odd hours are actually better for family time than most of us get, since he doesn't have days where he misses both mornings and nights with the kids -- a regular feature of the big city office work world.
   56. Steve Treder Posted: February 26, 2013 at 02:49 PM (#4376411)
A lot of jackasses who have no business having a dog have a pit bull out of some sense of misguided machismo.

A few years ago I was walking my dog (a smallish Australian shepherd, about 40 pounds) on a leash (as per city law and good common sense) in a city park. From about 100 yards away, an off-the-leash pit bull spies us and comes tearing over, pounces on my dog, and pins her to the ground.

I was helpless to stop it. Yelling did less than nothing. Attempting to pull the pit bull off was useless (and I'm 6 feet tall, 200 pounds, and do 50 push-ups a day). Useless. I resorted to kicking the pit bull in its side, as hard as I possibly could. Nothing. It was like kicking a brick wall.

The yahoo owner of the pit bull finally reaches us, and he manages to call the dog off, and (finally) get it leashed. I was terrified that my dog had been mauled, but the pit bull was merely demonstrating (extreme) dominance, and none of its bites had penetrated her skin. She was traumatized, but uninjured.

I was livid at the yahoo owner. He apologized, and gave me his business card and promised to pay any vet bills that I would incur. Fortunately there were none.

The combination of an irresponsible owner and a stupendously strong and ill-trained dog is quite a thing.
   57. The Good Face Posted: February 26, 2013 at 02:58 PM (#4376416)
That's undoubtedly some of it, but whether the pit bull is more likely to bite than the average breed, the simple fact is they're just better at it when they do.


Pretty much. The other concern is that many modern pit bulls are bred for or from fighting stock; I've encountered numerous rescue dogs that are friendly and submissive around humans, but will fly into a frothing rage if brought near another dog. Makes sense in a way; you probably don't want to breed a fighting dog that tries to attack everything, all the time, but I'd be leery about having a pet that could so easily be reduced to a rage state, even if that state isn't necessarily triggered by me or my family.
   58. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: February 26, 2013 at 03:20 PM (#4376427)
Let's do some math, only this time do it right. If the family's in TO, that's 81 days plus homestand offdays the family's together that they aren't together otherwise


You're assuming the family will have the kids switch schools twice per school year. That's not likely nor reasonable. Most likely, assuming they want to keep St. Louis their permanent home, which they seem to do, they would live in Toronto only during the summer months.

Buehrle's odd hours are actually better for family time than most of us get, since he doesn't have days where he misses both mornings and nights with the kids -- a regular feature of the big city office work world.


Night games which end 10:00-11:00, gets home around 12:00-1:00, he's not getting up at 8 with the kids. Day games work hours are similar, if not longer than office workers. No weekend or holidays off.

   59. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: February 26, 2013 at 03:35 PM (#4376436)
You're assuming the family will have the kids switch schools twice per school year. That's not likely nor reasonable. Most likely, assuming they want to keep St. Louis their permanent home, which they seem to do, they would live in Toronto only during the summer months.

The five year old is barely school-age and the other kid isn't school-age. I don't know why we'd assume they want St. Louis as their "permanent home" when they lived where Buehrle worked last year.

Night games which end 10:00-11:00, gets home around 12:00-1:00, he's not getting up at 8 with the kids.

Why not? Get up, have breakfast, see them off, catch a nap in the huge chunk of day you have until work, if neceessary.

No weekend or holidays off.


But a whole offseason off, and a bunch of days off in-season. A baseball player with his family at the homebase will have more available family time than a professional office worker, male or female, with responsiblities -- and it really isn't close.
   60. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: February 26, 2013 at 03:38 PM (#4376439)
Burley needs to hire Jack Keefe to be the kids' nanny.
   61. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 26, 2013 at 03:40 PM (#4376443)
I don't know why we'd assume they want St. Louis as their "permanent home" when they lived where Buehrle worked last year.


On other occasions, Buehrle has spoken about wanting to make St. Louis his permanent home. That's why there were Buehrle-to-the-Cardinals rumors for such a long time.
   62. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 26, 2013 at 03:44 PM (#4376445)
But a whole offseason off, and a bunch of days off in-season.


He doesn't have any reason to spend the offseason in Toronto - he can spend that with his kids wherever they are.
   63. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: February 26, 2013 at 03:44 PM (#4376446)
I have no kids and I have no pets. I would love to have kids and I have no interest in having a pet. However, I am always fascinated at the love that people feel for their pets. They really do become part of the family.

My gut is that if I were Buehrle I'd have gotten a place in Niagara Falls or Buffalo and dealt with a bit of a commute. I'd probably have told the Jays to keep a room in the hotel adjacent to the Rogers Centre set aside for me and the family if we wanted to spend a weekend in Toronto or I just didn't feel like the drive at midnight but I don't think I'd have sent the kids back to St. Louis.

The one thing that I wonder about is if the 5 year old is starting school. That's about kindergarten age and it's possible that Buehrle simply wants his kid going to school in St. Louis.
   64. Jack Keefe Posted: February 26, 2013 at 03:49 PM (#4376449)
I am not taking care of no infant Burlys. For all I know they are Yard Monsters Al. No and I half no kids myself despite what Katy Hanrahan says about her little boy but can not proof in Court. I have a Cat and his name is Cicotte and during the seizin he stays with my girl friend Tawny in Cleve. though that is cold for a cat and I am looking to get traded to the Mexico League where the little guy can go outdoors some times for the love of Mike already.
   65. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: February 26, 2013 at 03:53 PM (#4376452)
Love it!
   66. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: February 26, 2013 at 03:53 PM (#4376453)
A baseball player with his family at the homebase will have more available family time than a professional office worker, male or female, with responsiblities -- and it really isn't close.


Not during the season you nitwit. That's what we're talking about.
   67. JJ1986 Posted: February 26, 2013 at 03:56 PM (#4376455)
You should have named him Eddie Ci-cat.
   68. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: February 26, 2013 at 03:56 PM (#4376456)
On other occasions, Buehrle has spoken about wanting to make St. Louis his permanent home. That's why there were Buehrle-to-the-Cardinals rumors for such a long time.

Right. He spoke about it and then ... didn't do it. They lived in Miami last year.(*)

I mean, yeah, they'd prefer St. Louis over other cities once Buehrle decided he wasn't living with them, but that's not really the issue at hand.

(*) Well, technically, they lived in Broward County, since the jurisdiction in which Buehrle was employed also has a pit bull ban.
   69. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: February 26, 2013 at 03:57 PM (#4376457)
BTW, appropos of nothing, but my wife just returned from the nursery with some plants she wants me to put in the ground. The plants? A type of philodendron called Burly Marx.
   70. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: February 26, 2013 at 04:01 PM (#4376459)
Not during the season you nitwit. That's what we're talking about.

That's what I'm talking about too. A Toronto Blue Jay works in Toronto at least 81 times during a baseball season. Honestly, this really isn't debatable -- he's going to be living in an empty house that wouldn't be empty but for the pit bull 70 or more days a year, conservatively speaking. That isn't some tiny, de minimus number.

You sound like Seinfeld trying to rationalize an extra five days in Florida with Morty and Mom to Elaine by making it seem like it's really only two days what with meals and sleep and all. Sorry, no sale.
   71. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: February 26, 2013 at 04:04 PM (#4376465)
You're being more obtuse than usual here, and that's saying something.
   72. tfbg9 Posted: February 26, 2013 at 04:06 PM (#4376468)
I have a 1.5 YO Westie named Cooki. She's awesome. If I see somebody with a PB, I leave the area quickly. The downside massively outweighs the upside.
If I see an off the leash PB, I pick up my dog and get the hell outta Dodge--fast. I am tempted every time to rat-out the moron with the loose Death Machine on four legs
via cell phone, but have yet to do so. My dog is to PB's as a sandwich is to me, more or less.

Letting your dog off his leash in the impropoer area is a good way to get your dog killed as well: dog sees a squirrel, bolts, car hits dog.

   73. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 26, 2013 at 04:15 PM (#4376471)
Right. He spoke about it and then ... didn't do it. They lived in Miami last year.(*)


The operative word that you inadvertently left out of that first sentence is "yet".
   74. SOLockwood Posted: February 26, 2013 at 04:47 PM (#4376504)
I assume that the family will come to Toronto a few times during the summer & leave the dog with a sitter. The Jays have a 10-day homestand right after the All-Star break, plus 4 other 7-day homestands between June and Labor Day. Unfortunately for the Buehrle's the Jays don't play in St. Louis this year. But they could meet up in Chicago in June as well.
   75. Walt Davis Posted: February 26, 2013 at 05:12 PM (#4376529)
There is trolling, and then there is stunt trolling...

Nah, he's got a point. Imagine what a little well-timed intervention with MamaBear Blanks might have accomplished.

Little known fact: If play Pavement bootlegs backwards, digitize the output, it actually makes for a nifty web sniffing algorithm...

Pavement? Repoz is light years beyond Pavement.

Nothing is more important than actually being there for your kids.

So you don't work? You never work late or on weekends? You don't bowl, play softball, jog? You don't take a weekend to go fishing with your friends? You home school? Have you ever taken a new job in a new city and moved the family? If so, was that really the best thing for the kids?

And, the $10,000 question, have you ever forced your kids to give up a pet?


   76. Ron J2 Posted: February 26, 2013 at 05:24 PM (#4376537)
#48 A co-worker's husband was attacked by a couple of pit bulls owned by an idiot woman who didn't have a clue as to how to handle them. She locked them in the garage and just tossed food down. They got out one day. (He was really lucky. Happened within yelling distance of a construction site where a trained dog handler happened to be working. Just minor injuries)

All that to say that it's not just macho idiots who shouldn't own pit bulls.
   77. Gaelan Posted: February 26, 2013 at 05:45 PM (#4376554)

When I see some super-macho dude walking around with a dog hasn't been been fixed and obviously hasn't been well-trained and that has a spiked metal collar, the dog is inevitably a pit bull. I think that a lot of the statistics about pit bulls being dangerous come because people who want dangerous dogs or who want to look like a thug get pit bulls.


Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
   78. tfbg9 Posted: February 26, 2013 at 05:48 PM (#4376559)
Well, per unit, aren't pit bulls more dangerous to the kids than hand guns?

/ducks
   79. Lassus Posted: February 26, 2013 at 05:53 PM (#4376565)
If no kids makes you a freeloader, what does no kids AND no pets make you?
   80. Bitter Mouse Posted: February 26, 2013 at 05:56 PM (#4376570)
All that to say that it's not just macho idiots who shouldn't own pit bulls.


Know your pet. Train/spay/neuter (as appropriate) your pet. When I owned a 65lb part shepherd I trained the heck out of him because he was a pretty big semi-scary looking dog (who could be fierce). Currently I own a 60lb mutt who is so totally not fierce (and came pretty well trained, lucky me).

Sheesh.
   81. Hello Rusty Kuntz, Goodbye Rusty Cars Posted: February 26, 2013 at 06:02 PM (#4376577)
I've buried wives, but a man should never have to bury a dog. It was the flood of '02, we were all caught on the levee, but.. I don't want to talk about this no more.
   82. The Good Face Posted: February 26, 2013 at 06:05 PM (#4376581)
When I see some super-macho dude walking around with a dog hasn't been been fixed and obviously hasn't been well-trained and that has a spiked metal collar, the dog is inevitably a pit bull. I think that a lot of the statistics about pit bulls being dangerous come because people who want dangerous dogs or who want to look like a thug get pit bulls.


Are pit bulls dangerous because they're owned by macho ########## who don't train or socialize them adequately, or do macho ########## own pit bulls because they're dangerous dogs that enhance their owner's self-image of badassery? I lean towards the latter.
   83. Squash Posted: February 26, 2013 at 06:07 PM (#4376583)
I too love pitbulls, but they're a risk if you don't know how to handle them. They are very sweet and affectionate with their owners and people in general and they're especially good with kids - the issue that conflates this general friendliness and the high number of attacks they're associated with is that they're loyal on the extreme end of the scale - if you're on the turf they think they're supposed to be protecting, or are seen as a menace to a person they think they're supposed to be protecting, they're going to go off. They were originally bred as guard dogs who were supposed to protect "their people" to the death. Obviously there are also conditions as in #76 where many dogs are going to go nuts because of how they're treated.

Also, in terms of dog attacks on other dogs, you should never bring a dog on a leash into an area where there are other dogs off leash. You're putting your dog at risk - unleashed dogs see leashed dogs as extreme submissives and will attempt to assert their dominance over them. You've either got to let your dog off leash themselves (in which case the dogs will 99% of the time figure it out for themselves, whatever their breed is) or just don't bring your dog there.
   84. tfbg9 Posted: February 26, 2013 at 06:24 PM (#4376599)
Also, in terms of dog attacks on other dogs, you should never bring a dog on a leash into an area where there are other dogs off leash



@83-I was talking about people who just walk around suburban NYC with their large dogs off the leash. Not a dog run. I'm talking about the sidewalk.
   85. Squash Posted: February 26, 2013 at 06:40 PM (#4376610)
I was talking about people who just walk around suburban NYC with their large dogs off the leash. Not a dog run. I'm talking about the sidewalk.

I agree with you completely - wasn't addressing you specifically, sorry. I was more talking about when people bring their dogs to dog parks and such but still keep their dog on a leash. Likewise, one shouldn't in a public park that isn't an off-leash area let one's dog off the leash. It's not so much that the dog is a danger to other people (it isn't, in fact it will probably want to play with every person it sees) - it's that the dog may be a danger to other dogs or vice versa, as in Steve's example.
   86. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: February 26, 2013 at 06:56 PM (#4376628)
Re: the on-leash/off-leash thing...it depends on the dog. I have sweet Lab who I let run loose at the state park near us, and when he sees other dogs on-leash, he approaches them respectfully. I always let the other owner know my dog is good and completely non-aggressive, and 99% of the time, there is a brief meet-and-greet, and then separation. The other 1% of the time the owner clutches his/her dog's leash tightly and requests that I leash my dog, which I do. My dog will not approach a dog that seems like it's aggressive, or if its owner is telling him to stay away. He's a good boy!

OTOH, our 175 pound Mastiff is a terror. She is overly protective at the park. (At the doggy day care...yes, that's right, doggy day care we go to, she's fine, just another dog in the pack, plays well with others, is loved by all, dogs and humans alike). At the park, she's in "protect" mode. Hence, she doesn't go to the park much any more.
   87. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: February 26, 2013 at 06:59 PM (#4376631)
Also, please Google "Lilly the hero Pit Bull". Truly, a hero, and a sweet animal. I've met her. Unbelievably docile and loving, immediately upon meeting anyone and everyone. A big, strong dog...completely submissive to people and playful and welcoming to every dog I saw brought to meet her.
   88. bigglou115 Posted: February 26, 2013 at 07:01 PM (#4376632)
Re: the on-leash/off-leash thing...it depends on the dog. I have sweet Lab who I let run loose at the state park near us, and when he sees other dogs on-leash, he approaches them respectfully. I always let the other owner know my dog is good and completely non-aggressive, and 99% of the time, there is a brief meet-and-greet, and then separation. The other 1% of the time the owner clutches his/her dog's leash tightly and requests that I leash my dog, which I do. My dog will not approach a dog that seems like it's aggressive, or if its owner is telling him to stay away. He's a good boy!


I've got two of the most well behaved labs on the planet. Both have been hunt trained so they are completely obedient off-leash. I still wouldn't dream of letting them wonder around off-leash because some people are just terrified of dogs over 50 lbs. Don't get me wrong, I'm not making a value judgement, I just think someone would call the cops or shoot my dogs (I live in a heavily armed neighborhood).
   89. Chicago Joe Posted: February 26, 2013 at 07:13 PM (#4376640)
Gasport resident Bob Confer


One of the few towns to be named after a local columnist, or perhaps his output.
   90. Squash Posted: February 26, 2013 at 07:16 PM (#4376642)
Re: the on-leash/off-leash thing...it depends on the dog.

That is true. The issue is that a lot of people don't seem to know what their dog is. The problem seems to be exacerbated when there are a lot of other dogs around (i.e. lots of off leash dogs and one leashed dog), hence the dog park issue. Sometimes you feel like you should say something to people you see bringing a leashed dog to the dog park, wondering why the other dogs keep sniffing at it and continuously jerking the dog away because other dogs are messing with it - just let the dog off the leash and it's going to get a lot less attention.

our 175 pound Mastiff

Now that is a big dog.
   91. valuearbitrageur Posted: February 26, 2013 at 07:19 PM (#4376645)
would the pitcher move his family to Niagara County (where the dogs are legal) from which he’d make the 90-minute commute daily?


Hmm, I still can't figure why a columnist with the Niagara Gazette would get in such a tizzy over Buerhle not moving his millions into their county?
   92. Squash Posted: February 26, 2013 at 07:19 PM (#4376647)
Also, please Google "Lilly the hero Pit Bull". Truly, a hero, and a sweet animal.

That is a great story!
   93. tfbg9 Posted: February 26, 2013 at 07:35 PM (#4376657)
Damn Bivvo, that IS a big dog. Labs are great, there's a a couple of them I know, and they are wonderful creatures.

But as anybody with a brain knows, Westies are the best dogs. And not with those ridiculous ACK haircuts, I'm talking about a nice puppy-cut.

Have we ever had a "dog thread"? I don't recall one. Nor do I recall a "car thread", which strikes me as odd, for a site dominated by American males.
   94. bigglou115 Posted: February 26, 2013 at 07:45 PM (#4376670)
But as anybody with a brain knows, Westies are the best dogs. And not with those ridiculous ACK haircuts, I'm talking about a nice puppy-cut.


Can your Westies bring you beer? Both of my labs are trained to open the refrigerator and bring me a can. Very handy.
   95. AJMcCringleberry Posted: February 26, 2013 at 07:57 PM (#4376678)
As someone who hates dogs and kids I applaud Buehrle for leaving them all behind.
   96. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: February 26, 2013 at 07:59 PM (#4376680)
My dog outweighs me by about 8 pounds. She's a beast, but, she's very sweet. We got her at 12 weeks, when she was 30 pounds. The Lab is 65 pounds. Within a few months, he was wondering how the other dog became bigger than he.

We have 3 cats, and they love her, and vice-versa.

When men come to the house, she gets weird and protective. She's much better with women.
   97. tfbg9 Posted: February 26, 2013 at 08:23 PM (#4376690)
@94: that's a hell of a trick. My dog is really good at catching a ball -pop flies, one hoppers. She's a natural. Its a riot.
   98. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 26, 2013 at 08:35 PM (#4376699)
So have we conferred enough about this now? I would think nearly 100 posts would satisfy the directions.
   99. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: February 26, 2013 at 08:49 PM (#4376708)
I've buried wives, but a man should never have to bury a dog. It was the flood of '02, we were all caught on the levee, but.. I don't want to talk about this no more.

I am so hoping this was a joke, or a reference, or something.
   100. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: February 26, 2013 at 09:41 PM (#4376728)
If no kids makes you a freeloader, what does no kids AND no pets make you?


One rich motherf*cker.

As someone with 5 kids, 2 dogs, 1 bird, 1 rabbit and fish, I never have cash...ever.
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