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1. Koot Posted: March 10, 2010 at 01:34 PM (#3476339)And he was right.
edit: Although, the Yanks infield last year was damn good. I haven't looked yet to see how they compare historically.
Is he talking about the Phillies and Rollins, Utley and Howard?
Can't be. Can't ####### be.
If you're limiting franchise history to post-1901, the Cubs had Banks, Williams, and Santo simultaneously, and there's at least an argument that they're 1-2-3 in some order.
If Conlin can't come up with a non-expansion team that's had its best players at each of three positions at the same time, he's not trying very hard.
A's: Foxx, Cochrane, Simmons
Reds: Morgan, Bench, Perez
Twins: Killebrew, Carew, Oliva
Edit: coke to Steve
Edit 2: from TFA: "In 2009, the three best players in franchise history at their positions combined for 97 homers."
The 2009 Yankees could conceivably make it, and they're the MF-ing Yankees!
ARod and Jeter are slam dunks, and Cano could conceivably make it. Gordon's got the short career. Lazzeri's the real competition.
"Push 'em up" Tony had 7058 PAs of a 121 OPS+ for NY. To date, Cano's at 3036 and 113. He probably can't catch him on quality, but could get close, if he avoids another disaster year, and beat him in quantity.
Funny how the Yankees haven't had superlative IF's.
For one year, I'll take the 1982 Brewers.
Boy, I hope so. I mean, Conlin was in Philly for the entire careers of Mike Schmidt, Steve Carlton, and Billy Hamilton - he really should no better.
Looking at b-ref's PI. Howard has the best OPS+ of any Phillies first baseman with at least 1200 PA. Rollins is similary tops with shortstops. Utley is second to Nap Lajoie at second, but has almost twice as many games played.
This.
They're up there, but Gantner was a weak link offensively, with a 99 OPS+. The 2009 Yanks' worst was Cano's 129.
| year_game | team_id | in_top_4 |+-----------+---------+----------+
| 2004 | COL | 123 |
| 1998 | ATL | 93 |
| 1956 | CHC | 83 |
| 1974 | PHI | 78 |
| 1990 | DET | 77 |
| 2004 | BAL | 65 |
| 2007 | WSN | 59 |
| 2007 | FLA | 56 |
| 1979 | LAD | 54 |
| 1956 | STL | 49 |
| 2008 | ATL | 49 |
| 2006 | FLA | 47 |
| 2004 | TEX | 41 |
| 2004 | STL | 41 |
| 1999 | BOS | 40 |
| 1983 | MIL | 35 |
| 2008 | WSN | 35 |
| 1953 | DET | 35 |
| 2003 | OAK | 31 |
| 1998 | MIL | 30 |
Well, are we just talking hitting or overall value? by WAR:
Cooper - 5.9
Gantner - 2.9
Yount - 11.5
Molitor - 7.0
Total - 27.3
Tex - 5.9
Cano - 5.1
Jetes - 6.5
Rod - 3.9
Total - 23.4
1976 CIN 138
1965 CIN 138
1982 MIL 132
1974 CIN 131
1975 CIN 131
1963 STL 128
2007 NYY 128
1972 CIN 127
1994 HOU 127
1969 MIN 127
2002 NYY 126
2008 NYY 128
A lot of the lists of best three players in franchise history above suffer from not going back to the dead ball era or even earlier. If you're dealing with the Cubs, Three Finger Brown should be on the list, and so should Cap Anson; if you don't like Brown, look up John Clarkson. Gabby Hartnett would like some love, too. If the A's, you have to have Eddie Collins and maybe Home Run Baker. The Cardinals have Musial and Gibson in 1963, but Rogers Hornsby is back in the 1920s. - Brock Hanke
That'd just strengthen the Big Red Machine's case, of course.
2001 A's
Giambi: 10.3
Menechino: 3.7
Chavez: 6.4
Tejada: 4.4
Total: 24.8
(using CHONE's WAR)
The Dodgers' 1970s infield peaks at 17.2 in 1976, which really surprises me. They were very well regarded at the time.
The Big Red Machine breaks 20 in 1973 (20.9 Perez/Morgan/Concepcion/Menke), 1975 (22.9 Perez/Morgan/Concepcion/Rose), and 1976 (22.3 same).
All WARs from CHONE.
I thought perhaps he meant "at their respective positions" since I couldn't figure any other way it remotely made sense. i.e. Rollins is the best Phillie SS ever, Howard the best Phillie 1B ever, and Utley the best Phillie 2B ever.
It is really just a matter of four guys who are each above average making a great infield. It seems like the 82 Brewers (3 players at MVP or near-MVP levels) and the '01 A's (two >6.0 WAR's) feel more like a great infield should.
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