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Contract showdown looms for New York Yankees as Derek Jeter enters final year of deal

“As he ages, people in New York and all around the majors will come to the ballpark to see him,” the agent said. “There isn’t another player in the game that has his star power. A-Rod is a star, but he’ll never have that Yankee pedigree. Jeter is the modern-day DiMaggio. He should never wear another uniform. He knows that and the team knows that.”

Jeter’s departure from New York might also affect the money he earns away from the field, although maybe not as much as most would think.

“Jeter would still have the five rings and Yankee legacy wherever he plays,” said Terry Lefton of the Sports Business Journal. “If Jeter played in another big market, he’d still be the No. 1 MLB endorser.”

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1. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: November 12, 2009 at 07:36 PM (#3386216)

Good thing he has endorsements because he certainly can't live on his salary alone.

Also, he can't ####### field his position for ####.

2. Dewey, Steven Wright Wannabe and Soupuss Posted: November 12, 2009 at 07:39 PM (#3386221)

I'd be shocked if the Yankees let Jeter walk away.

3. The Essex Snead Posted: November 12, 2009 at 07:41 PM (#3386223)

Just give him his lifetime contract & a percentage of YES profits already.

4. SoSH U at work Posted: November 12, 2009 at 07:42 PM (#3386225)

As he ages, people in New York and all around the majors will come to the ballpark to see him,” the agent said. “There isn’t another player in the game that has his star power. A-Rod is a star, but he’ll never have that Yankee pedigree. Jeter is the modern-day DiMaggio. He should never wear another uniform. He knows that and the team knows that.”

I can't believe he left out, "and just as good as Johnny Damon."

5. Gamingboy Posted: November 12, 2009 at 07:43 PM (#3386226)

Jeter leaving the Yankees would be the most shocking turn of Imperial events since Darth Vader through Palpatine over the railing.

6. Cowboy Popup Posted: November 12, 2009 at 07:50 PM (#3386232)

Also, he can't ####### field his position for ####.

Since I missed the Gold Glove threads...

I guess that 6.6 UZR this year doesn't mean anything.

7. hokieneer Posted: November 12, 2009 at 07:51 PM (#3386237)

I guess that 6.6 UZR this year doesn't mean anything.

Not as much as the -33.2 UZR total from 02-09

8. Best Regards, Larry M. Posted: November 12, 2009 at 07:55 PM (#3386242)

You know what would go over well if Jeter played somewhere else?

"I won five rings with the Yankees"

Yeah, the home crowd would never get sick of that.

9. AROM Posted: November 12, 2009 at 07:56 PM (#3386244)

Not as much as the -33.2 UZR total from 02-09

Even going by that, being slightly below average to the tune of -4 runs per season is quite a bit different than "can't ####### field his position for ####".

10. Cowboy Popup Posted: November 12, 2009 at 07:59 PM (#3386247)

Not as much as the -33.2 UZR total from 02-09

Really? I missed the new research that shows defensive stats from more than 3 years ago are more relevant than the most recent year of data.

11. Big Train Posted: November 12, 2009 at 07:59 PM (#3386248)

Perhaps the wildly divergent numbers, including getting remarkably better at 36 years old, means defensive statistics are for ####?

12. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader

Posted: November 12, 2009 at 08:03 PM (#3386251)

Perhaps the wildly divergent numbers, including getting remarkably better at 36 years old, means defensive statistics are for ####?

I'm always pretty suspicious of them. I think they're interesting, but I always have a nagging feeling they're for ####. Generally, if they agree with my perception of things, I think they're great. And when they don't...

13. Best Regards, Larry M. Posted: November 12, 2009 at 08:03 PM (#3386252)

One year of defensive data is worth about two months of offensive data. In other words, not much.

Jeter is -9.2 over the last three years.

14. hokieneer Posted: November 12, 2009 at 08:03 PM (#3386253)

15. Halofan Posted: November 12, 2009 at 08:04 PM (#3386256)

Would winning one ring with the Mets be the equivalent of five with the Yankees?

16. akrasian Posted: November 12, 2009 at 08:05 PM (#3386258)

The way his defense is improving, the Yankees better sign him to a ten year extension that dwarfs ARod's as soon as possible. By the end of the contract, his still improving defense will have made the contract a bargain.

17. Gamingboy Posted: November 12, 2009 at 08:06 PM (#3386259)

Would winning one ring with the Mets be the equivalent of five with the Yankees?

According to my calculations, one Met WS ring = 13.5 Yankee Rings

18. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader

Posted: November 12, 2009 at 08:07 PM (#3386260)

I tend to agree with #11, but not with that much conviction. I like the attempt to quantify defensive numbers, but I'm not sure I'll ever be able to accept a calculated Run Saved using UZR = calculated Run Scored using wOBA.

I'm with you hokie. I have much more faith in the offensive formulas than the defensive ones right now. It doesn't mean I dismiss the attempts to quantify defense, though. Without UZR and such, people wouldn't appreciate Guttierez and Ellis and Beltre and guys like that as much as they do now.

19. GregQ Posted: November 12, 2009 at 08:08 PM (#3386261)

Who is his agent?

20. Big Train Posted: November 12, 2009 at 08:09 PM (#3386262)

Personally, I am skeptical of run values assigned to defense. Letter grades, fine. Runs saves? No thank you.

21. cercle Posted: November 12, 2009 at 08:14 PM (#3386268)

Who is his agent?

Unless he's changed recently, it's Casey Close.

22. Cowboy Popup Posted: November 12, 2009 at 08:14 PM (#3386269)

Jeter is -9.2 over the last three years.

So was Jeter awful, average and good over the last three years or was he the same player all three years and the numbers couldn't tell the difference because of sample issues?

23. Gamingboy Posted: November 12, 2009 at 08:15 PM (#3386272)

Who is his agent?

The Apostles

24. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 12, 2009 at 08:17 PM (#3386274)

25. Martin Hemner

Posted: November 12, 2009 at 08:27 PM (#3386284)

Before Jeter signed his current contract there were articles suggesting that he might go to another team. Didn't happen -- it wasn't that hard to reach an agreement when it was in both parties interest to do so. That is still the case.

I agree. Jeter needs the Yankees as much as they need him. He could look over his shoulder in the locker room and see how the Yankees took care of Mo and Posada at the end of their deals. He'll be taken care of.

26. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: November 12, 2009 at 08:30 PM (#3386285)

If Jeter did leave, would Rodriguez move to SS? Ramiro Pena? Enrique Wilson?

27. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 12, 2009 at 08:31 PM (#3386286)

I agree. Jeter needs the Yankees as much as he needs them. He could look over his shoulder in the locker room and see how the Yankees took care of Mo and Posada at the end of their deals. He'll be taken care of.

I agree also. Does Jeter really want to spend the last years of his career in Houston, watching the playoffs on TV?

The Yankees will beat the market price for his services by 1 year and $2-3M AAV, just like they did with Posada and Rivera.

28. GEB4000 Posted: November 12, 2009 at 08:35 PM (#3386290)

In 2012, it will be great to see him making $25 million as a left fielder with a .750 OPS.

29. Best Regards, Larry M. Posted: November 12, 2009 at 08:38 PM (#3386292)

A-Rod will never again play SS.

Maybe later in his career, they'll stick him there for a few games to get the all-time SS HR record, but he can't really play SS anymore.

30. sunnyday2 Posted: November 12, 2009 at 08:39 PM (#3386294)

Showdown my ass. Yankees: How about 20 a year? Jetes: How about 25? Yankees: How about 30.

31. SG Posted: November 12, 2009 at 08:43 PM (#3386297)

If Jeter did leave, would Rodriguez move to SS? Ramiro Pena? Enrique Wilson?

Nick Green or Alex Gonzalez?

They'd almost certainly have to sign or trade for someone, as I don't think there's anyone in the organization who projects as anything more than a replacement level SS in 2011.

I've resigned myself to the fact that Jeter will be signed for more than he's worth, but it's not like that will stop the Yankees from doing whatever else they want to do. When the time comes that playing him is detrimental to the team, he'll be phased out.

32. hokieneer Posted: November 12, 2009 at 08:44 PM (#3386299)

Before Jeter signed his current contract there were articles suggesting that he might go to another team. Didn't happen -- it wasn't that hard to reach an agreement when it was in both parties interest to do so. That is still the case.

So you're saying the Yanks got the home town/team discount with his current 10 years/$189M (2001-10) contact.

33. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: November 12, 2009 at 08:45 PM (#3386300)

A-Rod will never again play SS

This makes me sad.

34. Best Regards, Larry M. Posted: November 12, 2009 at 08:48 PM (#3386302)

So you're saying the Yanks got the home town/team discount with his current 10 years/$189M (2001-10) contact.

No, that's not at all what he's saying. He's saying that Jeter was willing to sign with the Yankees before becoming a free agent when he would have received much, much more money had he become a free agent. He got a fair contract in 2000, but he would have gotten much more in 2001.

35. The cushions are crowded for Edmundo

Posted: November 12, 2009 at 08:48 PM (#3386303)

According to my calculations, one Met WS ring = 13.5 Yankee Rings
Doing it in my head, it really should be 4 to 1.

36. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader

Posted: November 12, 2009 at 08:48 PM (#3386305)

In 2012, it will be great to see him making $25 million as a left fielder with a .750 OPS.

Since he's the new Dimaggio, he'll just retire before his skills erode to that point. (Actually, it'll be interesting to see if Jeter hangs on for too long or goes out when he's still a good ballplayer.)

37. KronicFatigue Posted: November 12, 2009 at 08:49 PM (#3386307)

it's not the money that's going to prevent the yankees from doing whatever else they want, it's going to be their inability to treat him as a sunk cost. They will send him out to SS for way longer than he deserves to be there, and then give him equally too much time in LF.

I would be very happy to see the Yankees lowball Jeter and almost force him to go somewhere else.

38. Martin Hemner

Posted: November 12, 2009 at 08:50 PM (#3386308)

Out of curiousity, does any non-Yankee fan want Jeter playing on their team at market value (maybe 2 / $12 mil) after next season?

39. jwb Posted: November 12, 2009 at 08:50 PM (#3386310)

According to my calculations, one Met WS ring = 13.5 Yankee Rings

You're just using counting stats here. I think rate stats are more appropriate because you're not accounting for opportunities.

Leave the ringzzz thing out. The 1923 souvenir was a watch, which really complicates things. 27 championships, but only 26 rings. 1923 doesn't count as a ring, but does count as a championship, but probably shouldn't even count as a year because the Yankees won and chose not to award rings. What about 1924? The Senators won, and their souvenir was a lapel pin. Should we assume that if the Yankees had won that year, they have passed out lapel pins? Or more watches? Or rings? Or attractive fob and chain combinations to complement the 1923 watches? How can we assume any of these? See the problems here?

So:

Yankees: 107 Years / 27 WC = 3.96 yr/WC
Mets: 48 Years / 2 WC = 24 yr/WC

1 Mets World Championship = 6.06 Yankees World Championships

40. YR Denies Jesus Montero Posted: November 12, 2009 at 08:58 PM (#3386317)

In 2012, it will be great to see him making $25 million as a left fielder with a .750 OPS.

That championship ring will be the sweetest one of all.

41. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: November 12, 2009 at 08:59 PM (#3386318)

Since he's the new Dimaggio, he'll just retire before his skills erode to that point.

I could see Jeter cementing his baseball immortality by retiring in Spring Training or April when he has 2 years at $20 per left on his contract.

42. KronicFatigue Posted: November 12, 2009 at 09:01 PM (#3386319)

What year was it when manny was put on waivers and nobody bit? I thought the thinking around then (not in the MSM, but here) was that Jeter would clear waivers too. I don't think Jeter would have gotten anywhere close to his yankees/2000 contract out on the open market.

43. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader

Posted: November 12, 2009 at 09:06 PM (#3386322)

I could see Jeter cementing his baseball immortality by retiring in Spring Training or April when he has 2 years at $20 per left on his contract.

McGwire left a lot of money on the table when he couldn't play anymore. Fat lot of good that did his reputation!

44. The cushions are crowded for Edmundo

Posted: November 12, 2009 at 09:12 PM (#3386330)

#39, you didn't adjust for 15-1 Ringzzz factor prior to expansion, through the intermediate factors to the 29-1 factor in modern days.

My methodology was simple, during the time that both teams existed, the Ys have a 8:2 ratio. Although perhaps I should adjust for the years when the count of teams per league have been uneven, but they pretty much balance out right now.

45. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 12, 2009 at 09:16 PM (#3386338)

"Actually, it'll be interesting to see if Jeter hangs on for too long or goes out when he's still a good ballplayer."

I like to think that in ten years, he'll be a player-manager writing his name in at shortstop ahead of better, more qualified alternatives.

46. jwb Posted: November 12, 2009 at 09:22 PM (#3386342)

What year was it when manny was put on waivers and nobody bit?

Akmost everybody gets put on revocable trade waivers. The whole process is usually secret and we almost never hear about it unless a player is claimed and then dealt. What was unusual about the Manny situation is that we heard about it.

Jeter should retire as a Yankee, and Chipper as a Brave. They should serve out their baseball dotages with their original teams as on-field mediocrities, financial millstones, and fan favorites, in the proud tradition of Biggio, Ripken, and many others before them.

#39, you didn't adjust for 15-1 Ringzzz factor prior to expansion, through the intermediate factors to the 29-1 factor in modern days.

You're absolutely right! And this from a guy who advocates a 20 name HOF ballot because there are twice as many teams.

47. Smiling Joe Hesketh Posted: November 12, 2009 at 09:39 PM (#3386357)

Akmost everybody gets put on revocable trade waivers. The whole process is usually secret and we almost never hear about it unless a player is claimed and then dealt. What was unusual about the Manny situation is that we heard about it.

What was unusual was that Manny was put on irrevocable waivers after the 2003 season. Big difference; had any team claimed him, the Sox could not have pulled him back.

48. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 12, 2009 at 09:50 PM (#3386362)

So you're saying the Yanks got the home town/team discount with his current 10 years/$189M (2001-10) contact.

Nope. I'm saying that, just as in 1999, Jeter is worth more to the Yankees than any other team and it is also in Jeter's interest to play with the Yankees rather than any other team. Not that difficult to get a deal done under those circumstances, same as before.

49. Liver of blaspheming 'zop Posted: November 12, 2009 at 09:54 PM (#3386365)

Out of curiousity, does any non-Yankee fan want Jeter playing on their team at market value (maybe 2 / $12 mil) after next season?

Just wanted to point out this awesomely stupid post. Jeter's market value is 6m/yr?

50. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader

Posted: November 12, 2009 at 09:57 PM (#3386366)

Just wanted to point out this awesomely stupid post. Jeter's market value is 6m/yr?

I asssumed he meant 12 mil per year.

51. SoSH U at work Posted: November 12, 2009 at 09:58 PM (#3386368)

Just wanted to point out this awesomely stupid post. Jeter's market value is 6m/yr?

I interpreted that as two years at $12 million per.

52. ValueArbitrageur Posted: November 12, 2009 at 10:18 PM (#3386387)

The Yankee's have Jeter by the shorties, nowhere else can he reasonably expect to win more championships, and no where else will he get as much high quality tail. I suggest an offer of $4M paid over 4 years and give him 15 minutes to accept before they move A-Rod into his locker.

And how is it on this site of all sites that most posters don't understand that defensive stats require more than a year of data to be even remotely accurate?

53. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 12, 2009 at 10:30 PM (#3386400)

"The Yankee's have Jeter by the shorties, nowhere else can he reasonably expect to win more championships, and no where else will he get as much high quality tail."

Actually, the reverse is true. How can the Yankees ever hope to win without Captain Clutch?

And he can get tail wherever he wants. It follows him. Because he's Jeter.

54. willcarrolldoesnotsuk Posted: November 12, 2009 at 10:37 PM (#3386404)

Just wanted to point out this awesomely stupid post. Jeter's market value is 6m/yr?

So if everyone except this poster rightfully understood that the original post was $12 million per year, does that then make post 49 the true awesomely stupid post of this thread?

55. Nasty Nate Posted: November 12, 2009 at 10:53 PM (#3386416)

And how is it on this site of all sites that most posters don't understand that defensive stats require more than a year of data to be even remotely accurate?

to be accurate, or to be predictive?

56. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: November 12, 2009 at 10:54 PM (#3386418)

McGwire left a lot of money on the table when he couldn't play anymore. Fat lot of good that did his reputation!

People will use it to confirm or justify what they already feel about Jeter. For Mac, it didn't fit the narrative, so everyone ignored it.

57. Jose Can You Seabiscuit Posted: November 12, 2009 at 11:07 PM (#3386431)

Jeter saved everyone's bacon this year. His OPS dropped 7% from '06-'07 and 8% from '07-'08. Had he continued to decline, even by 3-4% and posted a .750ish OPS in 2009 this could 've been a bit difficult. With his big season he made it pretty easy for the Yankees to justify just dumping a big bag of cash on him for 4-5 years. Had the former scenraio played out it would have been interesting to see how things played out.

58. Textbook Editor Posted: November 12, 2009 at 11:16 PM (#3386443)

It'll be the years on the contract, not the overall $ that will be the albatross here. Anything over 5 years at this point would be insane, and if he's 41 and still playing SS... well, let's just say I hope he's playing SS all 18 games against the Red Sox that year.

59. Cowboy Popup Posted: November 12, 2009 at 11:34 PM (#3386456)

And how is it on this site of all sites that most posters don't understand that defensive stats require more than a year of data to be even remotely accurate?

Oh, I "understand". I just don't think they are accurate either way since by the time you get a three year sample, the player could be a substantially different player.

I also think its ridiculous to think that people who are trained and paid to watch ballplayers can't tell the difference between a good defensive play and a limited player making an easy play look tough if they are a scout while people who are trained and paid to watch ballplayers can tell the difference between a good defensive play and a limited player making an easy play look tough if they are an employee of the Fielding Bible.

60. Earvin 'Gold Stars' Johnson Posted: November 13, 2009 at 12:26 AM (#3386477)

You know what would go over well if Jeter played somewhere else?

"I won five rings with the Yankees"

Yeah, the home crowd would never get sick of that.

Wasn't that Girardi's attitude with the Marlins?
Supposedly, he'd start every other sentence with, "When I was with the Yankees..."

61. The District Attorney Posted: November 13, 2009 at 01:07 AM (#3386496)

Out of curiousity, does any non-Yankee fan want Jeter playing on their team at market value (maybe 2 / $12 mil) after next season?

If Jeter plays well in '10, Castillo can be gotten rid of in something other than a complete dump, and Jeter is willing to play 2B, I'd take him on the Mets. For much the same reason, I'd like to throw something really weird in the Large Hadron Collider. I have no idea what would happen as a result, but it would certainly be interesting.

62. 'Spos Posted: November 13, 2009 at 02:00 AM (#3386562)

For much the same reason, I'd like to throw something really weird in the Large Hadron Collider.

Like a piece of bread?

63. Srul Itza Posted: November 13, 2009 at 02:08 AM (#3386565)

The Yankees are in trouble now. Jeter just got a Silver Slugger to go with his Golden Glove. You can't ignore that kind of hardware.

64. Tripon Posted: November 13, 2009 at 02:12 AM (#3386567)

I'd be astounded if Jeter is on the Yankees post 2012, where the heck are they going to put him?

65. Shalimar Posted: November 13, 2009 at 03:09 AM (#3386590)

Jeter should retire as a Yankee, and Chipper as a Brave.

No one good who starts as a Brave is allowed to retire as a Brave. I think it's a rule that Brave owners have to agree to when they buy the team.

66. YR Denies Jesus Montero Posted: November 13, 2009 at 05:18 AM (#3386653)

No one good who starts as a Brave is allowed to retire as a Brave.

You take that back, Rick Camp was awesome.

67. Nasty Nate Posted: November 13, 2009 at 11:14 PM (#3387451)

Is Tom Glavine retired?

68. Martin Hemner

Posted: November 14, 2009 at 01:13 AM (#3387501)

So if everyone except this poster rightfully understood that the original post was $12 million per year, does that then make post 49 the true awesomely stupid post of this thread?

I did mean $12 million per in the original post, but 'zop isn't wrong for calling me out on it. He's just a bit angry.

But so far, all I've seen is a Mets fan willing to take a flier on moving him to 2B if they can dump Luis Castillo. Hardly a plea to Omar Minaya to bring him in. Where is the team that is being denied a shot at Jeter because the Yankees will overpay?

69. Lassus Posted: November 14, 2009 at 01:53 AM (#3387515)

If Jeter plays well in '10, Castillo can be gotten rid of in something other than a complete dump, and Jeter is willing to play 2B, I'd take him on the Mets.

I'm not a Jeter-hater, but as a Mets fan who has to interact with Yankee fans on a daily basis, this would be a complete nightmare.

70. Tripon Posted: November 14, 2009 at 02:06 AM (#3387517)

The Mets take the Yankees sloppy seconds? Will the Mets take John Sterling next?

71. jwb Posted: November 14, 2009 at 08:21 AM (#3387587)

Is Tom Glavine retired?

Not officially, but leaning that way.

Tom Glavine, LHP, free agent - Agent Gregg Clifton says Glavine is unlikely to attempt a comeback next season. Clifton has begun fielding calls for broadcasting opportunities.

So he would retire as a Gwinnett Brave, I guess.

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