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Friday, August 03, 2012

Coppock: “Theo, what have ya done for us lately?”

Stat Guys Shouldn’t Be Dancin’ at 1/5 Contract Time!

I’ve got a message for Theo, your honeymoon is beyond over.  It crashed and burned on July 31when you and your pals changed a team that figures to lose about 98 games before this season runs out, into a quagmire that will have to play with sledgehammers in 2013 to avoid losing 105 games.

Uh Theo, I noticed that Alfonso is still on Tom Ricketts’ payroll. It’s also dawned on me that the departures of Ryan Dempster, Geovanny Soto, Paul Maholm and Reed Johnson didn’t exactly return the kind of nucleus that screams “1927 New York Yankees.”

Epstein-baby, the honeymoon is so far gone it just passed it just passed Santa Fe, New Mexico. You fumbled. There is no other way to explain the lack of punch you brought to the deadline. This off season is going to be a different ballgame for you and Uncle Jed and the McLeod guy.

You guys are no longer A-list material. You’re baseball people who will likely go to Arizona with a pitching rotation that reads Jeff Samardzija and “call us next Tuesday”.

Repoz Posted: August 03, 2012 at 09:41 AM | 25 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: August 03, 2012 at 10:19 AM (#4199625)
It seems odd to complain in the same breath that the Cubs failed by jettisoning too much talent and that Soriano (he of the 119 OPS+) is still on the team.
   2. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: August 03, 2012 at 10:48 AM (#4199663)
Uh Theo, I noticed that Alfonso is still on Tom Ricketts’ payroll.


And even if they had dumped him at the deadline, everyone knows that the most of Soriano's contract would still be on Tom Ricketts' payroll.

Ryan Dempster, Geovanny Soto, Paul Maholm and Reed Johnson didn’t exactly return the kind of nucleus that screams “1927 New York Yankees.”


And why would it? Your most valuable chit of the lot was a guy who's going to be a free agent in two months and had already erased the leverage the Cubs had in trade talks by sabotaging a potential trade to the Braves a week ago.

Then you have a catcher who's put up one really good season and a lot of terrible or underwhelming campaigns since (including this year), a decent middle of the rotation starter and a fourth outfielder. Who exactly did this guy expect Theo to get from that lot?
   3. Tanto Posted: August 03, 2012 at 10:51 AM (#4199664)
If anyone could collect the talent for a 100-win team by trading away the expiring contracts of a 98-loss team, there wouldn't be any 98-loss teams.

I think Epstein is somewhat overrated but it seems silly to jump on him for this. It's hard to see him doing any better given the situation he was to work with. It's not like he had any primo pieces to move.
   4. Dan Hirsch Posted: August 03, 2012 at 10:57 AM (#4199671)
Does it matter if they lose 105 games as opposed to 85?
   5. zonk Posted: August 03, 2012 at 10:58 AM (#4199675)
Whew!

Knowing I hold the opposite opinion of chitchatchet renews my faith that my confidence in Theo is well-placed.

As for the talent he got back, well.... a catcher making 4 million and hitting .160, a 35 NRI 4th OF, a 35 yo FA to be, and a decent mid-rotation lefty brought back an injured top 50 prospect, another top 100 prospect, and a couple of moderately interesting arms. That's not a bad haul.
   6. Brian C Posted: August 03, 2012 at 11:01 AM (#4199679)
Then you have a catcher who's put up one really good season and a lot of terrible or underwhelming campaigns since (including this year),

I keep reading stuff like this, but Soto was every bit as good in 2010 as he was in 2008.

Otherwise ... yeah, this article is dumb. "Not 1927 Yankees" = "fail", I guess. This is when you know people are just really stupid, when they exaggerate to make a point and the exaggeration actually undermines the point instead of helping make it.
   7. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: August 03, 2012 at 11:04 AM (#4199685)
There's no reason for a Daily Coppock. His website should be annualcoppock.com. Or nocoppock.com. I'd visit that.
   8. Dale Sams Posted: August 03, 2012 at 11:06 AM (#4199693)
And even if they had dumped him at the deadline, everyone knows that the most of Soriano's contract would still be on Tom Ricketts' payroll.


He can have Carl Crawford's contract and we'll take Alfonso's.
   9. Good cripple hitter Posted: August 03, 2012 at 11:07 AM (#4199694)
Epstein-baby, the honeymoon is so far gone it just passed it just passed Santa Fe, New Mexico.


I didn't know that Harry Ellis survived the Nakatomi Plaza disaster and became a baseball columnist. Good for him.
   10. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: August 03, 2012 at 11:17 AM (#4199700)
I keep reading stuff like this, but Soto was every bit as good in 2010 as he was in 2008.


Fair enough, but we've at least established that Soto is at best a guy you can maybe expect a good season out of once every two or three years. And I really like Soto. The guy really smoked the ball when he was going well.
   11. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: August 03, 2012 at 11:59 AM (#4199741)
Are we really going to dissect what Chet Coppock has to say on this subject?

The best thing Coppock ever accomplished was being half of the inspiration for the legendary 'Chet Chitchat' (the other half being Chuck Swirsky).
   12. Blubaldo Jimenez (OMJ) Posted: August 03, 2012 at 12:20 PM (#4199755)
Soto makes me worried for Carlos Santana.
   13. McCoy Posted: August 03, 2012 at 01:07 PM (#4199808)
I keep reading stuff like this, but Soto was every bit as good in 2010 as he was in 2008.

And his 2011 was perfectly fine as well.

As for this year, since coming back from the DL Soto has been hitting decently. .327/.409 in 98 PA.
   14. Baseballs Most Beloved Figure Posted: August 03, 2012 at 04:31 PM (#4200006)
Are we really going to dissect what Chet Coppock has to say on this subject?
I agree. There's trolling and then there is trolling.
   15. salvomania Posted: August 03, 2012 at 05:07 PM (#4200061)
Soriano (he of the 119 OPS+) is still on the team.


Shockingly, Soriano is 3rd on the Cubs in walks...with 22.

Only two Cubs have drawn more than 18 unintentional walks and the season is about 2/3 of the way over.


David Dejesus and Bryan LaHair, who should both end up in the 50s somewhere at their current paces, figure to be the only two Cubs to draw as many 40 walks this year.

But now, after further checking, I notice that this is actually a league-wide phenomonon... only about 29 players in the NL are on pace to top 60 walks in 2012... is it just me, or does that figure (just under 2 per team) seem really low?
   16. asinwreck Posted: August 03, 2012 at 05:20 PM (#4200080)
Voros has this exactly right. Coppock has been in decline since WMAQ canned him 30 years ago in favor of Mark Giangreco. Much better to pick stories off of Bruce Wolf's blog than the airbag he's satirized for years.
   17. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: August 03, 2012 at 05:28 PM (#4200092)
But now, after further checking, I notice that this is actually a league-wide phenomonon... only about 29 players in the NL are on pace to top 60 walks in 2012... is it just me, or does that figure (just under 2 per team) seem really low?
Walks are down across MLB - it's part of the normalizing of offense in the last few years. Walks peaked at 3.7 per game during the height of sillyball (99-00), fell to about 3.3 per game in the last decade, and are now below 3.1 per game.

The last time walk rates across the board were this low was 1963-1968 - 2.9-3.0 in the mini-deadball era.
   18. valuearbitrageur Posted: August 04, 2012 at 12:24 AM (#4200376)
You guys are no longer A-list material. You’re baseball people who will likely go to Arizona with a pitching rotation that reads Jeff Samardzija and “call us next Tuesday”.


Last weekend a doofus called a young friend of mine the C word, shes a lovely young lady who is about to defend her doctoral dissertation in paleontology. Her failing is that she's an extremely smart and skillfully poker payer, and this cretin couldn't stand losing to a woman. As I told her, that it would even occur to this loser to use that word tells you all you need to know about him, a twerp eternally angry at women for being perpetually uninterested in him.

I imagine the douche who wrote this and found a way to "cleverly" slip this disgusting word in their column is just as loathsome.

   19. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: August 04, 2012 at 12:28 AM (#4200381)
Can somebody punch him, again?

the first lick.
   20. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: August 04, 2012 at 12:59 AM (#4200390)
I imagine the douche who wrote this and found a way to "cleverly" slip this disgusting word in their column is just as loathsome.

Feel free to ignore Chet Coppock, that's what everyone else in Chicago does.
   21. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: August 04, 2012 at 01:02 AM (#4200392)
####, Chet Coppock is still around? Damn...he hasn't crossed my mind in years.

Last time I heard him was back in the One-On-One Sports Radio days before it became TSN Radio.
   22. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: August 04, 2012 at 05:30 AM (#4200409)
Last weekend a doofus called a young friend of mine the C word

Coppock?
   23. TerpNats Posted: August 05, 2012 at 10:20 AM (#4200802)
If the Cubs were at the same talent level that the Red Sox were when Epstein took over in Boston, I could understand Coppock's reaction. But they're nowhere close; it's going to take several years for the North Siders to build that kind of organization. For now, Chet, enjoy the job Kenny Williams is doing on the South Side, even if it's largely merely addition by (Guillen) subtraction.
   24. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 05, 2012 at 11:14 AM (#4200831)
I wouldn't give two kopeks for the thoughts of a Coppack.
   25. wealz Posted: August 05, 2012 at 11:28 AM (#4200844)
The Theo plan of building through the farm system is extremely difficult to pull off and in this day and age (2 wildcard teams) probably outdated thinking. A big revenue team like the Cubs should never punt away years.

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