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AL Rookie of the Year

Expected Winner: Jeremy Hellickson, SP, Rays (13-10, 2.95 ERA, 1.15 WHIP, 5.6 K/9, 1.63 K/BB, 2 CG, 1 SHO)

Deserving Winner: Hellickson

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There’s an argument to be made that Mariners righty Michael Pineda pitched better than Hellickson this year. Pineda had a huge advantage in strikeout rate (9.1 K/9 to Hellickson’s 5.6) as well as a superior walk rate (2.9 to 3.4). Both allowed home runs and hits at comparable rates, but because he walked men less often, Pineda had a better WHIP (1.10 to 1.15), and Hellickson derived far more benefit from his defense and/or luck.

...In fact, Pineda may not even finish second given that the Yankees’ Ivan Nova (16-4, 3.70) had superficially superior traditional stats and even less luck on balls in play (.284 BABIP) while pitching in a hitter’s park in Hellickson’s division.

Hellickson was the preseason favorite for this award and while he didn’t pitch quite as well as expected, he will still be a deserving winner.

Repoz Posted: November 12, 2011 at 10:58 PM | 10 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. cardsfanboy Posted: November 13, 2011 at 03:04 AM (#3992349)
I have to disagree with the Kimbrel selection, yes he'll probably win, but he doesn't deserve it, Collmenter and Freeman probably deserve it more.
   2. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: November 13, 2011 at 03:45 AM (#3992358)
Kimbrel broke the one-year-old rookie saves record of 40 set by last year's AL Rookie of the Year, Neftali Feliz. He also posted the fifth-best strikeout rate for a pitcher with at least 70 innings pitched in the history of baseball (fourth-best if you up the minimum to 75 innings pitched). That alone should earn him this award as he was not only the best rookie in the National League this year but legitimately had one of the great relief-pitching season's in the game's history.



Eh. If by one of the greatest, you mean one of the top 100, maybe.

Relievers with 2 or more seasons with more WAR than Kimbrel's 3.0:

Rivera - 12
Gossage - 6
Wagner - 2
Gagne - 2
Sutter - 4
K Rod - 3
Quiz - 4
Jeff Montgomery - 3
Bryan harvey - 2
Roberto hernandez - 2
Trevor hoffman - 2
Keith Foulke - 4 (really?)
John Hiller - 3
Fingers - 2
papelbon - 2
B J Ryan - 2
Sparky Lyle - 3
Tekulvie - 3
Tug McGraw - 3
Mike Marshall - 4

And I got tired of looking. That's 58, plus at least 20 guys I looked at with 1 season better than 3.0, plus a whole bunch I missed because after the obvious ones, I looked at the seasonal saves leaders, a list where guys like Kimbrel's teammates O'Flaherty and Venters don't show up.

Just to pick a random guy above, Foulke. Aside from saves, is Kimbrel's 2011 any better than Foulke's 2004, 83 IP 225 ERA+ to Kimbrel's 77 IP, 185 ERA+? And that was Foulke's 4th best year.
   3. Ebessan Posted: November 13, 2011 at 03:55 AM (#3992361)
I have to disagree with the Kimbrel selection, yes he'll probably win, but he doesn't deserve it, Collmenter and Freeman probably deserve it more.

Really? Freeman was solid for his age, but that's about it, and Collmenter is behind both Beachy and Worley.
   4. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 13, 2011 at 04:03 AM (#3992363)
Why doesn't Danny Espinosa get more love for ROY? Low average sure, but 20 HR from a middle infielder and a solid 102 OPS+. Not saying he should win but he has more WAR than Freeman, Collmenter or Kimbrel.
   5. cardsfanboy Posted: November 13, 2011 at 07:51 AM (#3992433)
Really? Freeman was solid for his age, but that's about it, and Collmenter is behind both Beachy and Worley.


How, unless you drink from the fountain of fip there is really no case for them over Collmenter...mind you, the only thing I really care from a starting pitcher is runs allowed and innings pitched.

Collmenter 117 era+, 154 ip
Beachy 103 era+, 142 ip.
Worley 129 era+ and 131... Worley is in the discussion, but Beachy belongs on the sidelines with Kimbrel...meaning not remotely in the discussion.

the extra 23 innings is where the argument begins...


Freeman was a starting position player who actually qualified for something.... none of the pitchers, pitched enough to even qualify for the era title... to me playing time is a big deal. Either way, at best Kimbrel is 3rd best option but closer to 4th-7th best option(behind Beachy, Collmenter, Worley, Freeman, Barney, Espinosa----regardless of the overratedness crap that war gives to relievers---war is borderline useless as a stat for relievers, catchers and firstbaseman)


Why doesn't Danny Espinosa get more love for ROY? Low average sure, but 20 HR from a middle infielder and a solid 102 OPS+. Not saying he should win but he has more WAR than Freeman, Collmenter or Kimbrel.


look at that average and you have your answer. Add in the 166 strikeouts, the crappy obp(.323) and it's just not enough.
   6. MM1f Posted: November 13, 2011 at 06:50 PM (#3992571)
I do love me some Josh Collmenter. The guy is made a 90mph fastball coming out of an Iron Mike machine effective in college, the minors and now the majors. So fun to watch.

It does seem like a good year for rookies in the NL. An unhittable closer, several good mid-rotation guys and some good everyday position players.
   7. MM1f Posted: November 13, 2011 at 06:51 PM (#3992572)
Also, Michael Pineda is going to be scary good someday soon.
   8. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 13, 2011 at 07:08 PM (#3992578)
Michael Pineda is going to be scary good someday soon.


If he stays healthy. And that's a big IF.

-- MWE
   9. Walt Davis Posted: November 13, 2011 at 07:18 PM (#3992586)
Also, Michael Pineda is going to be scary good someday soon.

But will he be Votto good? :-)
   10. Lest we forget Posted: November 13, 2011 at 07:42 PM (#3992595)
Moundsmen... hehehe


I wonder why 'rubbersmen' never caught on.

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