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Wednesday, December 14, 2011

Cowley: Don Cooper rubbed Sox wrong way — Jake Peavy in particular

...but for a handful of Sox pitchers who felt betrayed by the way pitching coach Don Cooper conducted business last season.

“He was in survival mode for the first five months, and then all of a sudden when he got his contract [extension], he was back to ‘good ol’ Coop,’ ’’ one pitcher said recently. “They preach to us to act a certain way in a contract year, and you have a coach who couldn’t even lead by example. That rubbed a lot of us the wrong way.

...“That’s exactly right,’’ Danks said. “Things need to be fixed. I’m easygoing, I didn’t have anything with anyone, but I know Jake and Coop need to both sit down and get on the same page.

“There are a bunch of grown men in there. It’s a clubhouse where guys will go to the person they have a problem with and talk it out. This isn’t a girl’s high school volleyball team. The easiest way to nip all this in the bud is to sit and talk. It’s not always comfortable, but it has to happen with a few guys. It has to get squared away. It can definitely be a distraction if it’s not.’’

...That said, Danks is somewhat frustrated that the Sox didn’t protect his younger brother, Jordan, on the 40-man roster, nor did they seem serious about an extension for John, at least what Danks and agent Jeff Berry deemed serious.

“Maybe just in the baseball world I’m not thought of as a [Mark] Buehrle or a Jon Lester,’’ Danks said. “I know the wins weren’t there, but there is more that goes into getting a win than people think. For whatever reason, I’m not considered upper-echelon, but I’m not going to get caught up with what other people think about me.”

The downer-echelon: 138-124-115-97 (ERA+ last four seasons).

Repoz Posted: December 14, 2011 at 10:53 AM | 19 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Addison Russell T. Davies (chris h.) Posted: December 14, 2011 at 03:33 PM (#4016164)
Don Cooper rubbed Sox wrong way

It's with the grain, Don!
   2. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: December 14, 2011 at 04:08 PM (#4016222)
Peavy believed that Cooper downplayed his inability to bounce back from starts like he should have in late August. At one point, Cooper told MLB.com, “It’s a non-factor for me. The bottom line is Jake is on and off....So there’s been nothing there that I see of any real substance.”

Can someone translate this for me, since I didn't follow the Peavy situation last year? Peavy was hurt and Cooper didn't believe him, effectively?
   3. Zonk is Just the Right Amount of Wrought Posted: December 14, 2011 at 04:29 PM (#4016235)

Can someone translate this for me, since I didn't follow the Peavy situation last year? Peavy was hurt and Cooper didn't believe him, effectively?


My understanding is that it's more a general Peavey-Cooper just don't get along.

FWIW - Cooper, to me anyway, seems to be a very good pitching coach. Just based off my high level reading - he seems to have done really well with both projects, raw, but talented prospects - and everything in between. Maybe I'm giving Cooper credit for what is actually excellent scouting and identification of talent by KW.

But - #1 pick though he was, Gavin Floyd was a raw HSer, Danks was a good prospect, but raw... Santos was a conversion reclamation... Humber became useful. I guess I'm just saying that if I could hire any pitching coach - Cooper would be on my short list, if not at the top of it.

I'm not a Sox fan - so again, maybe I'm reading too much into Cooper's role.
   4. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 14, 2011 at 04:29 PM (#4016236)
Great, another sex abuse scandal.
   5. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: December 14, 2011 at 04:42 PM (#4016249)
FWIW - Cooper, to me anyway, seems to be a very good pitching coach. Just based off my high level reading - he seems to have done really well with both projects, raw, but talented prospects - and everything in between. Maybe I'm giving Cooper credit for what is actually excellent scouting and identification of talent by KW.

Cooper is a great pitching coach. Heck, Guillen called him one of the best in the game in the same interview he trashed Cooper in about the time Oz left the White Sox.

One thing to note is the writer here - Joe Cowley. For those outside the Chicago area, he's got a reputation as Ozzie's guy. So much so that he's become part of the story in the whole Williams-Guillen dynamic. And like I said, Oz trashed Cooper on his way out of town. In response, Cooper responded childishly and threatened a lawsuit against the Sun-Times (Cowley's paper). Now, a few months later, Cowley has this.

Doesn't mean Cowley is wrong. He could have good sources. But Cowley is part of the story in all this mess.

(Random memory: in Gleeman's first year w/ NBC he had to follow all the beat reporters in the AL. I asked him who was the worst one in the entire league. Gleeman didn't pause - it was Joe Cowley).
   6. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: December 14, 2011 at 04:49 PM (#4016257)
Great, another sex abuse scandal.

Yeah, I saw this on Hot Topics while reading the Jeter thread and having a BBM convo about the Penn State situation.
   7. Bob Evans Posted: December 14, 2011 at 06:19 PM (#4016365)
Peavy does seem like kind of a red-ass, which is fine if you don't need help, but if you do...
   8. shattnering his Dominicano G Strings on that Mound Posted: December 14, 2011 at 07:38 PM (#4016450)
From what I recall of this season and last, having owned Peavy as an upside player in fantasy baseball, he sounds like a nightmare pitcher for a coach. He time and time again gave faulty info about how he was feeling, refused to dial it back at all in order to build up strength and endurance, and seemed really pissed off that he was even expected to do so. Someone could quite simply dig up news stories and whatnot to corroborate any of that; I don't feel like it. But seeing what Cooper said above and viewing it through the lens of the past two seasons in Chicago, I'd say Cooper's exactly right. Peavy is up and down. Once it became clear that he is entirely incapable of anything besides 100% max effort even in situations where that is not a good thing (re: rehab, endurance building starts, etc), and that he is actively opposed to his pitching coach or anything the coach may say, then "it is what it is."

Also, Cowley's an awful writer. I really wish Chicago could steal away at least one decent scribe from somewhere. Hopefully that linked story about the new Chicago sports cite w/ all the indie writers and bloggers will do that.
   9. SoSH U at work Posted: December 14, 2011 at 07:46 PM (#4016455)
That's my take as well Lofton? Peavy, particularly a rehabbing Peavy, seems like he'd impossible to work with for an organization/pitching coach.
   10. Daryn Posted: December 14, 2011 at 08:05 PM (#4016473)
I also think Peavy is a bit of a flip flopper. He pitched that brilliant 4 inning, no run, 7K relief outing and made several comments about how great it was and he was so happy to contribute to the team; and then a few weeks later he's hurt and says that it was the fault of the relief outing that he never wanted to pitch in the first place.
   11. The elusive Robert Denby Posted: December 14, 2011 at 08:34 PM (#4016498)
In Jake Peavy's defense, the last time he was rubbed the wrong way, he landed on the 60 day DL.
   12. Justin T has a centaur for a mentor Posted: December 14, 2011 at 08:42 PM (#4016511)
On the DL with Indian Burn.
   13. geonose Posted: December 14, 2011 at 10:02 PM (#4016604)
Seems to me that John Danks needs to grow up a bit in regards to his brother. When Jordan starts playing well enough to deserve protection, the White Sox should put him on the 40-man. In the meantime, it would be a bad business decision to do so.

Reminds me of when Ozzie got all bent out of shape when Ozney wasn't drafted until the 22nd round, then insulted when he felt the bonus offer was too low.
   14. Swoboda is freedom Posted: December 14, 2011 at 10:14 PM (#4016612)
Don Cooper rubbed Sox wrong way

It's with the grain, Don!


I guess Don didn't get an autographed Jake Peavy ball the next morning.
   15. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: December 15, 2011 at 12:21 AM (#4016710)
And to think how dismayed I was when the Cubs missed out on trading for Peavy and how that dismay was compounded when he accepted a trade to the South Side.
   16. Addison Russell T. Davies (chris h.) Posted: December 15, 2011 at 12:24 AM (#4016714)
Reminds me of when Ozzie got all bent out of shape when Ozney wasn't drafted until the 22nd round, then insulted when he felt the bonus offer was too low.

Well, in fairness Kenny Williams did draft his own kid, and by most accounts a lot higher than he should've been. Maybe Ozzie thought that nepotism was lex terrae.
And to think how dismayed I was when the Cubs missed out on trading for Peavy and how that dismay was compounded when he accepted a trade to the South Side.

Same! We sure dodged a bullet, there.
   17. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 15, 2011 at 03:44 AM (#4016833)
Peavy does seem like kind of a red-ass,


Wait, is this the cause of his being rubbed the wrong way or the effect?

From Danks, we have another entry into the Roget's Athlete Thesaurus for "money": "seriousness."
   18. Meatwad Posted: December 15, 2011 at 04:37 AM (#4016853)
I think rothschild could have done a great job with peavey, last years pitching coach not so
Much
   19. Styles P. Deadball Posted: December 15, 2011 at 04:03 PM (#4017019)
Cooper's a great pitching coach, but is also a huge red ass. He regularly goes on talk shows to ##### out the hosts for negative comments about anything related to the Sox. Nobody can argue with the results, but it doesn't surprise me that he's difficult to get along with.

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