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Monday, December 16, 2013

Crasnick: Braves Sign Gavin Floyd

Gavin Floyd has passed physical and agreed to deal with #braves. He’ll make $4M base and can earn $4.5M more in incentives.

CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: December 16, 2013 at 12:37 PM | 23 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: December 16, 2013 at 03:10 PM (#4618982)
And the White Sox traded Addison Reed for Matt Davidson. Two pretty good moves by Hahn not signing Floyd and trading a reliever for a 3B
   2. zonk Posted: December 16, 2013 at 03:29 PM (#4619001)
Wow.

Very nice trade by Hahn.

I continue to have zero idea what Towers is doing down in the desert....
   3. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: December 16, 2013 at 03:30 PM (#4619003)
Am I happy that the Phillies did not pull an Adam Eaton and bring back the guy they should never have traded, to play out the string of his way-past-prime? Or am I unhappy that the Braves added Floyd on the cheap and are going to get a better performance out of him than the Phillies ever did?

Time will tell!
   4. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 16, 2013 at 03:36 PM (#4619013)
Hahn is looking like a pretty good GM thus far. Really like the work he has done.
   5. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: December 16, 2013 at 03:37 PM (#4619015)
Having found no partners for big trades in Orlando, the Braves have fallen quietly into their backup plan. They're acquiring high risk, high reward players on the cheap. Mat Gamel. Gavin Floyd. It's a depth strategy. Floyd probably won't be ready until May, so the likely plan at this point (barring future moves, obviously) would be to start with Alex Wood in the rotation and then "reverse-Medlen" him, sending him to the pen if/when Floyd is ready to contribute. The rotation is a quietly effective Minor, Teheran, Medlen, Beachy, Wood/Hale/Floyd, with Floyd taking up the $4 mil per that Eric O'Flaherty probably won't be getting now. (The Gamel acquisition probably puts the end to the Braves pursuit of Eric Chavez as well.)
   6. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: December 16, 2013 at 03:51 PM (#4619026)
Frank Wren has talked a lot about the "sticker shock" he's witnessed at the price of pitching and generally mediocre free agents (you may now insert your snarky comments about BJ Upton and Derek Lowe). The impression I've gotten is that the Braves don't love the idea of going into spring training with a Minor-Teheran-Medlen-Beachy-Wood rotation; that's an extraordinarily young group, Beachy's a serious injury risk and there's not much depth beyond Hale.

But they don't hate the idea so much that they're willing to shell out huge dollars or shred a re-building farm system just to avoid it. In a perfect world, they'd pick up Lohse or Samardzija, slot the new guy into the fourth spot, and let Beachy, Wood and Hale battle for the final rotation spot while the losers serve as insurance. It's not a perfect world, however, so you get Gavin Floyd instead.

As for Floyd...eh, I'm willing to give the Braves the benefit of the doubt here. Roger McDowell and company have more than earned that, and Floyd was a reasonable enough pitcher when healthy.
   7. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: December 16, 2013 at 04:33 PM (#4619053)
And the White Sox traded Addison Reed for Matt Davidson. Two pretty good moves by Hahn not signing Floyd and trading a reliever for a 3B


I actually would've welcomed Floyd back. The Sox current rotation is Sale - Quintana - Danks - Johnson - Rienzo. I'm not too confident that Rienzo is an MLB-quality pitcher (though for a 5th starter he might be OK); Danks & Johnson have had recent injury problems. And their top pitching prospects in the minors are a ways away. I'm hoping they bring in another veteran type to compete for that 5th starter spot, though Felipe Paulino might be that guy.

I really like the Reed-Davidson deal. Reed's a very good reliever but the Sox tend to produce quality relievers with ease. Nate Jones or Dan Webb should be able to take over Reed's spot without much of a dip in talent. I'm not sure if Davidson is ready to take over the 3B permanently, but he's certainly a better option than running Gillaspie out there each day.

Aside from the Konerko deal, good off-season for Hahn and the Sox. I would've liked to see Saltalamacchia here but I've liked all the other moves.
   8. Colin Posted: December 16, 2013 at 04:46 PM (#4619065)
For the past few years the Braves have tried to build their team around second-tier talent, guys who earn $10-15m a year. They've so far gotten burned on their trade/extension for Uggla and free agent BJ Upton. So, they're now turning their attention to depth from the bargain bin. Given that they seem set to spend their new TV money on building a ballpark, this is likely the best a Braves fan can expect.

It's clear they'd like to have a veteran in the rotation somewhere. Of course, Kris Medlen is now 28, Beachy is 27 and Minor's about to turn 26 next week, so these guys aren't as young as most people would think. The problem as the team sees is is inexperience or lack of an established track record; only two of these guys have even 500 innings of major league experience, and of the lot Minor seems to be the one with the fewest potential question marks related to age or injuries.

It sort of amuses me that Wren has talked so much about sticker shock. Anyone who was paying attention knew we were looking at a salary bubble this offseason. Maybe not quite of the magnitude we've seen, but certainly prices were going to go up.
   9. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: December 16, 2013 at 04:47 PM (#4619066)
Trading a Proven Closer is Moneyball 101. Matt Davidson looks like a nice handy asset.
   10. madvillain Posted: December 16, 2013 at 05:07 PM (#4619081)
Holy crap, Hahn is absolutelely owning this offseason, which as he said, started last June. The entire roster has been revamped with dead wood cleared out and a lot of promising young players aquired, even if only 50% of them pan out, it's still progress.

As Dock said, trading a "proven closer" for an actual position player prospect is exactly the sort of trade smart teams make. Addison doesn't even have that great of stuff. He has good stuff but he's never going to be elite unless he learns how to harness his off speed stuff better, which isn't a sure bet. He's a 1-2 WAR player at best.
   11. madvillain Posted: December 16, 2013 at 05:42 PM (#4619121)
This is now the opening day lineup:

eaton (25), cf
ramirez (32), ss
garcia (22), rf
abreu (27), 1b
viciedo (25), lf
davidson (23), 3b
dunn konerko (32,37), dh
beckham (27), 2b
flowers (28), c

Catcher is a problem but damn that looks a helluva lot more promising than 6 months ago.
   12. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 16, 2013 at 05:57 PM (#4619132)
While trading a reliever for a 3B upgrade is a good idea for the White Sox in theory, I'm not entirely convinced that Davidson is going to grow up to be a starting-caliber player.

I guess we'll find out.
   13. madvillain Posted: December 16, 2013 at 06:12 PM (#4619147)
I'm not entirely convinced that Davidson is going to grow up to be a starting-caliber player.


That's fair, and certainly there is a chance he's never anything more than a bench bat or half a platoon, but ZIPS has him for 93 OPS+ and if his defense is cromulent, with 3B such a talent scarce position, he'll be quite useful to Chicago.

Chicago pumps out guys like Reed fairly easily, they don't develop position players for #### tho, another smart trade from Hahn IMO, even if Davidson doesn't pan out the process is good.
   14. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: December 16, 2013 at 06:41 PM (#4619167)
A "blah" move, but in a market where John Axford gets $4.5 guaranteed, this could turn into a nice move for Atlanta.
   15. AJMcCringleberry Posted: December 16, 2013 at 07:12 PM (#4619188)
Seems like a solid signing. Though I thought Floyd was younger.
   16. Walt Davis Posted: December 16, 2013 at 07:17 PM (#4619192)
Aside from the Konerko deal, good off-season for Hahn and the Sox.

Oh c'mon. It's chump change and he's just there to be an elder statesman. If he's as toasty as Griffey was in Seattle, you can look forward to Paul Konerko Day in mid-June.
   17. madvillain Posted: December 16, 2013 at 07:50 PM (#4619214)

Seems like a solid signing. Though I thought Floyd was younger.


He's coming off surgery, which probably kept his price down a bit. Still, Floyd is a nice piece IMO, I wouldn't have been opposed to having him back on the Sox at that price, seems a good bet to give you around 170 innings of league average starting, which as we all know, is valuable.

Oh c'mon. It's chump change and he's just there to be an elder statesman. If he's as toasty as Griffey was in Seattle, you can look forward to Paul Konerko Day in mid-June.


I'm almost certain that was a JR mandated signing. I'd imagine the conversation was something like "Rick, does this block any moves you plan on making?" and when Rick said no, or "probably not" they signed him, with probably an additional caveat that he's guaranteed nothing wrt to playing time and that if he sucks as bad in say his first 100 PA as he did last year, he'll "retire".
   18. JJ1986 Posted: December 16, 2013 at 08:57 PM (#4619244)
With Konerko, the Sox have 3 guys who can't play any position besides 1B. They also have Keppinger under contract for a few more years. I don't see how their bench is also going to fit a guy who plays SS.
   19. madvillain Posted: December 16, 2013 at 09:28 PM (#4619253)

With Konerko, the Sox have 3 guys who can't play any position besides 1B. They also have Keppinger under contract for a few more years. I don't see how their bench is also going to fit a guy who plays SS.


Right now their bench is:

Konerko
Garcia (the other one, who can play SS)
Keppinger
Gillaspie
The 4th OF (De Aza will likely be traded)

I don't really see a problem unless for some reason they need a 5th OF. Ramirez is a guy that plays 160 games a year at SS anyways.
   20. bfan Posted: December 16, 2013 at 10:15 PM (#4619279)
I think I am okay with some NYC team hijacking a Braves thread (as the world revolves around NYC), but the White Sox?
   21. Der-K: Hipster doofus Posted: December 16, 2013 at 10:39 PM (#4619290)
I don't think Floyd will hit 170 innings ... if that were the expectation, he'd've gotten a lot more cash.
   22. Der-K: Hipster doofus Posted: December 16, 2013 at 10:50 PM (#4619295)
possibly on the other hand... Dan Connolly (?@danconnollysun) tweeted:
Industry source: #Orioles offered Balt native Gavin Floyd 2-yr deal worth, w incentives, $20M. Took 1yr, $4m (pot. $4.5 more w inctvs) w Atl

Granted, how easy those incentives were to reach is a mystery - and a healthy Floyd would want to be an FA next fall.
   23. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: December 17, 2013 at 12:05 AM (#4619332)
Is there any talk that the White Sox are looking to trade Alexei Ramirez? He's a pretty good player but he's getting older and the Sox are rebuilding.

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