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Friday, August 12, 2011

CStB: Cosloy: Mushnick Accuses ESPN, MLB Of Exploiting 9/11 (Less Successfully Than The NFL)

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For the New York Post’s sports media critic Phil Mushnick, few social issues have raised his ire over the years nearly as much as sporting events being played in prime time, particularly those that might actually end after 10pm eastern time.  With only the deepest concern for the ticket holders and viewers in their 80?s teens, Mushnick once again attempts to flog this particular dead horse, except this time he can do so against the backdrop of the 10th anniversary of September 11, 2001.  The Mets are hosting the Cubs this coming 9/11 at Citi Field, and with ESPN’s announcement said game will be moved from an 1pm start time to an 8pm commencement to accommodate a national TV audience, Mushnick declares the decision to be “sickening”.

MLB and ESPN knew 10 years ago this would be the 10th anniversary. Who didn’t? So why wasn’t this game scheduled for ESPN at 8 p.m. last September, when MLB released its 2011 schedule? Or were MLB and ESPN unaware that 9/11 this year falls on 9/11?

Had Cubs-Mets originally been scheduled for 8 p.m. on a Sunday, ticket sales would have been flattened. Both the re-routing of the game — and the God Bless America pitch only lately attached to it — is worse than the usual bait-and-switch because it exploits 9/11.

Repoz Posted: August 12, 2011 at 09:02 PM | 51 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: business, cubs, history, media, mets, television

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   1. The Piehole of David Wells Posted: August 12, 2011 at 09:33 PM (#3898852)
There was a time when I thought Repoz had his finger on articles that provoked discussion, but after countless Chass, Mariotti, etc. articles, I'm beginning to think that the articles around here provoke one kind of discussion ("we're smarter than so-and-so"). I hate to say it, but BBTF is becoming boring....
   2. Shooty is obsessed with the latest hoodie Posted: August 12, 2011 at 09:35 PM (#3898854)
I can't believe it's been 10 years. It still feels like it happened last week. I commute from the WTC PATH stop every day and I hate it. I hate going down there.
   3. villageidiom Posted: August 12, 2011 at 09:38 PM (#3898856)
By the same logic, are Mushnick and the Post exploiting 9/11 to sell newspapers?
   4. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: August 12, 2011 at 09:39 PM (#3898857)
With only the deepest concern for the ticket holders and viewers in their 80?s teens


Is there a word missing, because I can't figure out what he's trying to say?
   5. jwb Posted: August 12, 2011 at 09:40 PM (#3898859)
Because if the game was scheduled for 8:00 and ESPN wanted to air a game with playoff implications, then SNY and CSN Chicago (or WGN) wouldn't be able to show it.
   6. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 12, 2011 at 10:04 PM (#3898881)
MLB and ESPN knew 10 years ago this would be the 10th anniversary. Who didn’t? So why wasn’t this game scheduled for ESPN at 8 p.m. last September, when MLB released its 2011 schedule? Or were MLB and ESPN unaware that 9/11 this year falls on 9/11?


I laughed.

Anyway, I don't care about anything being "exploited"; I just find the 9/11 commemorations to be boring and overdone.
   7. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 12, 2011 at 10:06 PM (#3898882)
With only the deepest concern for the ticket holders and viewers in their 80?s teens


He's got "'80s" struck through. I'd show you if I knew how.
   8. villageidiom Posted: August 12, 2011 at 10:08 PM (#3898883)
With only the deepest concern for the ticket holders and viewers in their 80?s teens

I know how!

EDIT: just like any other tag, except with "strike" inside the brackets.
   9. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: August 12, 2011 at 10:09 PM (#3898884)
He's got "'80s" struck through. I'd show you if I knew how.


Thanks. Sad it never dawned on me that my question could have been answered by RTFA.
   10. True Blue Posted: August 12, 2011 at 10:11 PM (#3898885)
The evils of leagues time flexing games is one of the 10 subjects that Mushnick selects for his thrice weekly columns (Bud and Fehr are evil for allowing steroids, Francesca is a pompous fool, Nike is evil, Networks covering golf only mention Tiger Woods, saves and QB ratings are stupid, etc) I agree it shouldn't be done but seriously-how many people suddenly turn into no shows because a 1 PM game are flexed to 8 PM? Not that teams advertise this much. But it's hard to prove that attendance is down (slightly) because of this.
   11. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 12, 2011 at 10:18 PM (#3898891)
EDIT: just like any other tag, except with "strike" inside the brackets.


Thanks for the try, but unfortunately I'm not smart enough to understand the explanation.

I mean that sincerely. I don't know how to go from what you wrote there to putting something in strikethrough. I've tried before (and now).

When I, say, bold something it's easy -- just higlight the word and click on <b>. But there's no <strike> in my set of menu options like there is <b>. I'd need basically a step by step flowchart explaining this. Then I might have a prayer of getting it.
   12. The District Attorney Posted: August 12, 2011 at 10:21 PM (#3898893)
If I recall past years correctly, the official 9/11 memorial ceremonies have taken place in the morning (as the attacks did). So, maybe this is a night game because the Mets players and organization want to watch and/or participate in the very paying of respect that Mushnick believes to be important.
   13. Sweatpants Posted: August 12, 2011 at 10:46 PM (#3898904)
Here are some words. Let me see if this works.
   14. AndrewJ Posted: August 12, 2011 at 10:47 PM (#3898905)
Mushnick's about the only decent columnist at the Post -- and frankly, his act is starting to wear thin.

<i>The evils of leagues time flexing games is one of the 10 subjects that Mushnick selects for his thrice weekly columns (Bud and Fehr are evil for allowing steroids, Francesca is a pompous fool, Nike is evil, Networks covering golf only mention Tiger Woods, saves and QB ratings are stupid, etc)

I suppose part of Mushnick's "Nike is evil" shtick is his whole "pro and college teams adopting black uniforms to cater to rap/hip-hop audiences" argument...
   15. villageidiom Posted: August 12, 2011 at 10:48 PM (#3898906)
Thanks for the try, but unfortunately I'm not smart enough to understand the explanation.
There is no "strike" button. Just click on the < b > button, then in the comment box wherever it has put [ b ] or [ /b ] replace the b with strike. Or just type it in.

Or maybe the < del > key will work. Let's see: Francoeur
EDIT: OK, there it is, just use the < del > button.
   16. Sweatpants Posted: August 12, 2011 at 10:51 PM (#3898908)
Here is a picture of how to type the strikethrough.
   17. rr Posted: August 12, 2011 at 11:00 PM (#3898911)
Drat! Now Ray has another BTF weapon at his disposal.
   18. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: August 12, 2011 at 11:08 PM (#3898913)
I have to bookmark this thread. Everytime I try to do the strike, I first try "strikethrough" in the < > brackets, and then "strikethrough" in the [ ] brackets, and then I try [k], and <k>, and eventually I try "strike".
   19. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: August 12, 2011 at 11:16 PM (#3898919)
MLB and ESPN knew 10 years ago this would be the 10th anniversary.


MLB and ESPN knew about 9/11 in mid-August 2001. We're through the looking glass, people.


Here is a picture of how to type the strikethrough.


I was somehow disappointed that that wasn't Madeline Albright.
   20. scumbag Posted: August 12, 2011 at 11:17 PM (#3898920)
Christ you guys are dumb.
   21. Greg K Posted: August 12, 2011 at 11:23 PM (#3898922)
Frankly I needed this strikethrough walkthrough.

Unfortunately there is zero chance I remember this next time I want to use it.

I remember when (after several years commenting here) I learned how to link in a comment. I was on cloud nine for weeks.

EDIT: My god...b for bold, i for italics...it's all making sense finally! I still have no ####### clue what "code" means.
   22. what rhymes with STIGGLES Posted: August 12, 2011 at 11:35 PM (#3898928)
   23. Shooty is obsessed with the latest hoodie Posted: August 12, 2011 at 11:39 PM (#3898930)
Christ you guys are dumb.

Yeah, a little. I threw my back out and I'm currently drinking many beers as a pseudo muscle relaxant. I'm not even kidding. Just another day in the life of Shooty!
   24. scumbag Posted: August 12, 2011 at 11:41 PM (#3898933)

EDIT: My god...b for bold, i for italics...it's all making sense finally! I still have no ####### clue what "code" means.


Code is just if you need to post special chars that will normally be parsed into something else.

So if I wanted to show you:

<del>Strikeout</del


Without the Strikes actually taking effect, I would wrap it in code tags.

Unfortunately it is like 2 pt size for some reason.
   25. Walt Davis Posted: August 13, 2011 at 12:11 AM (#3898948)
Christ you guys are dumb.

And the "close tags" menu button is for plays at the plate.
   26. CrosbyBird Posted: August 13, 2011 at 12:37 AM (#3898957)
Codes are basically a way of giving instructions to the software that web browsers use. The angle brackets (<>) and square brackets ([]) tell the browser that you're giving it a command, like "put this in bold" or "make the text link to ESPN" or "change the color of this to orange."

There are other codes too, to print non-standard characters like © or ™.
   27. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 13, 2011 at 12:41 AM (#3898960)
Test. TEST *TEST* ***TEST*** WOOHOOOOO!!!!!!
   28. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 13, 2011 at 12:43 AM (#3898962)
What happened to the underline code, while we're at it?
   29. Shooty is obsessed with the latest hoodie Posted: August 13, 2011 at 12:44 AM (#3898963)
Ichiro: Hall of Famer
   30. PreservedFish Posted: August 13, 2011 at 12:48 AM (#3898965)
Wait, people can just do orange whenever they want? Why aren't we taking advantage of this?
   31. CrosbyBird Posted: August 13, 2011 at 12:53 AM (#3898966)
Some codes only seem to work with only one of either square or angle brackets. I'm not sure if underline is one of those. Bold square bracket.Bold angle bracket.Underline square bracket.<u>Underline angle bracket.</u>Square.<strike>Angle.</strike>

Oh, there's a different problem. It's parsing the underline as the code for italics.
   32. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: August 13, 2011 at 01:07 AM (#3898977)
Just another day in the life of Shooty!


Keep talking like that, and I'm changing my handle to Shooty again to see if I can pull some kind of cosmic body-switch-type-deal.
   33. pthomas Posted: August 13, 2011 at 01:08 AM (#3898980)
Coding nerds take over baseball nerds thread!!!! Nerdgasm!!!!!
   34. Shooty is obsessed with the latest hoodie Posted: August 13, 2011 at 01:14 AM (#3898983)
Keep talking like that, and I'm changing my handle to Shooty again to see if I can pull some kind of cosmic body-switch-type-deal.

You don't want that right now. It's a beautiful summer's night in NYC and I'm beered up and on the couch afraid I'm going to sneeze and tear all the muscles from my vertebrae.
   35. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: August 13, 2011 at 01:41 AM (#3898996)
By the same logic, are Mushnick and the Post exploiting 9/11 to sell newspapers?


By the same logic, Repoz is exploiting 9/11 to garner site hits.
   36. scumbag Posted: August 13, 2011 at 01:49 AM (#3898998)
I will occasionally put text in white but I'm not sure if anyone catches it.
   37. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: August 13, 2011 at 02:12 AM (#3899016)
Wait, people can just do orange whenever they want? Why aren't we taking advantage of this?

Mostly because Rusty Staub retired in 1985.
   38. Ron J Posted: August 13, 2011 at 02:53 AM (#3899053)
#28 Ray the underline code is somewhere between deprecated and not supported. Basically a good chunk of people expect something underlined to be a link.

To take an example -- from a very useful HTML to CSS primer --

First of all, underlining text that isn't a link is a very very bad idea. Very bad. Awful. Even if you think that underlining a header doesn't look like the rest of the links or something, don't do it. Pages use different link styles, and pretty much everyone has just got into the idea that "underline = link".

So I'm not entirely sure why I'm saying this, but it's text-decoration: underline. I suppose it's better than <u>...
   39. Nasty Nate Posted: August 13, 2011 at 03:15 AM (#3899072)
Ok, so how do you get live preview to be a live preview, and the search to work?
   40. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: August 13, 2011 at 03:21 AM (#3899080)
Yeah, a little. I threw my back out and I'm currently drinking many beers as a pseudo muscle relaxant. I'm not even kidding. Just another day in the life of Shooty!
And this is the Primate I've probably seen more of than any other over the last year. Proud moment.
   41. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: August 13, 2011 at 03:41 AM (#3899094)
Wait, people can just do orange whenever they want? Why aren't we taking advantage of this?


There was a guy who posted all his stuff in red a few years ago. It was annoying as hell.
   42. Shooty is obsessed with the latest hoodie Posted: August 13, 2011 at 11:36 AM (#3899175)
And this is the Primate I've probably seen more of than any other over the last year. Proud moment.

Now I have a sore back AND a hangover. The beer experiment failed mightily....
   43. Lassus Posted: August 13, 2011 at 12:48 PM (#3899191)
The lack of an underline code enrages me in the book threads.
   44. Fancy Pants with a clinging marmoset on his Handle Posted: August 13, 2011 at 01:05 PM (#3899198)
wrong thread
   45. bunyon Posted: August 13, 2011 at 01:24 PM (#3899201)
Fancy Pants, I think you can post pretty much anything you like here as long as you put some code in.
   46. CrosbyBird Posted: August 13, 2011 at 01:35 PM (#3899209)
You can't even underline with the text-decoration tag. It's been entirely disabled.
   47. covelli chris p Posted: August 13, 2011 at 02:07 PM (#3899220)
well, it strips out script tags. so there's that.

and it doesn't parse iframes ... so i'll have to provide a link

wtf!
   48. TerpNats Posted: August 13, 2011 at 02:43 PM (#3899227)
Wait -- they're showing the Cubs and Mets as the ESPN Sunday night game? Boy, what playoff implications (heck, the Post still mentions how far back the Mets are in the wild-card race, as if anyone takes that seriously). Gee, as the backup, continuing the 9/11 angle, they should move the Astros and Nationals (another Central also-ran vs. an NL East team battling for third place) to 8 p.m.

Mushnick occasionally has interesting things to say, but more often than not he hammers themes to the point of no return and thus diminishes to self-parody. I recall his inveighing against the Devils when they changed team colors from red and green to red and black, claiming they were trying to appeal to gang culture. Never mind that under their old color scheme, the team was derisively nicknamed "the Christmas trees," or that red and black is simply a more sensible color combination. (And since the change, the Devs have never employed a black alternate uniform, something even the venerable Blackhawks have done.)
   49. tshipman Posted: August 13, 2011 at 02:58 PM (#3899233)
The lack of an underline code enrages me in the book threads.


Proper format is italics anyways. The only reason why you ever use underlining is if you're hand-writing it out.
   50. pthomas Posted: August 13, 2011 at 03:55 PM (#3899261)
A triple play!!!! Baseball Nerd to Coding Nerd to Grammar Nerd!!!!
   51. cardsfanboy Posted: August 13, 2011 at 07:15 PM (#3899329)
EDIT: My god...b for bold, i for italics...it's all making sense finally! I still have no ####### clue what "code" means.


Simple rule, don't use code unless you know how to use it. It's one command that can totally screw up the format of the page for everyone.

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