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This is a phrase you never really want associated with your new tattoo.
Speaking as someone with no tattoos, I think that's a fairly decent ink job, though.
It will die out as soon as somebody develops an even more idiotic craze.
I'm interpreting this as a shot at Sullivan.
Yeah, good luck with that. The oldest European mummy, Otzi the Iceman (circa ~3300 BC), has 57 different tattoos on his body. It's been around forever, and probably always will be.
(Half a Coke to MCoA.)
Died of ink poisoning?
Personally, I think Byrd should have had all that text written in WingDings.
Of course, but tattoos have definitely gotten more prominent in the past 10 years or so. How many women did you see with a chest piece or men with a sleeve 10-15 years ago? Hardly ever, but you see that all the time now. It's hardly being judgmental or a prude to wonder if people are going to regret those and whether people will stop doing it.
It's a good thing, too. Imagine all the defenseless bacteria you'd be slaughtering with that needle.
Speaking as someone whose father is a professional tattoo artist and has been for almost 20 years, you really can't tell the quality from the pictures I've seen.
I can't wait until this idiotic tattoo craze finally dies out.
It might die down, but never out. Tattoos have forever held cultural, religious, and artistic places in every form of society. The "fad" now is generic "tribal" work on the back/upper arm , Asian lettering (which according to my dad, more than 70% of people do not know what is actually on their body), etc. It's just your generic late-teens early 20s fad where everyone wants to be different by being the same. Years ago my dad told me he started refusing to do the generic work on occasion, just because it wasn't worth his energy and patience to do it as he considers himself an artist (and he is a hell of an artist who just happened to choose this medium). Of course the economy tanking has made those decisions harder for him to make.
Once, while rather drunk at a bar, I was subjected to a tiresome explanation from some woman of what all her tats meant. When she got to the Asian lettering, I interrupted her and said something like, "That must be Chinese for 'real f***ing original.' "
She finally shut up. And walked away. But that was OK.
Relevant.
Also relevant.
The "fad" now is generic "tribal" work on the back/upper arm , Asian lettering
I feel just from non-tattoo-artist observation that these two tattoo memes had really arrested in the past five or ten years. No? The woman who gave me my first tattoo in San Francisco told me if I wanted a dolphin or asian writing that I would have to go somewhere else.
Of course the economy tanking has made those decisions harder for him to make.
Based on absolutely nothing, I would have imagined that the economy wouldn't have hit the tattoo industry as badly as some others.
Judging from my personal observations and conversations with my father, 10 years is pretty accurate. That's about the time this wrestler became an overnight sensation.
Based on absolutely nothing, I would have imagined that the economy wouldn't have hit the tattoo industry as badly as some others.
Getting a new tattoo is pretty far down on the list of services to spend disposable income on, those things aren't cheap. My father's business has primarily been located in working class or lower class areas, not exactly a prime example of a booming economic growth pre-2007.
The girl I'm currently, ahem, seeing casually, has a couple of these and admittedly falls into the 70%. I can't imagine getting inked with something I didn't know the translation of.
In my lifetime we've gone from it being a puberty ritual when a woman got her ears pierced to no big deal for a woman to get naughty bits pierced and/or tats all over her body. It's true, back in my day, sorority girls did not have pierced tongues and maybe a butterfly tattoo on the ankle. Yet 15-20 years ago, I knew generally rational people who were branded.
I'm not expecting tattooing to fade away particularly as I am "worried" about what can possibly come next as the extreme (then mainstream) form of self-expression -- brain piercing? Butt plugs with feathers sticking out? chopping off a finger?
So you're saying he now has toe-thumbs?
Man, and I thought Ronnie Lott was a badass.
It will die out when the majority of the mainstream tattooed population reach saggy-skin age.
I don't even like getting something temporary applied to my skin - washable ink, face paint, makeup, bandaids, etc. The idea of putting something on my skin forever is kinda frightening.
Yeah, I think back to what tattoos I might have gotten had the tattoo fad been around when I was of target age. If I got one in high school it would have been a huge Van Halen logo. Had I gotten one in college it would have been Colonel Reb, who isn't even the Ole Miss mascot anymore. And if I got one after watching "Spirited Away" I would have gotten this. I think everything has worked out for the best for me.
So which Primate is this?
Perhaps if you had been engaged enough in your early 20s to ask what was deeply meaningful to you, enough so as to have that thing inked into your skin, you would remember it now.
Alternately, I know people who literally can't remember the details of their back piece.
I'm curious what tattoos "dying out" to people means.
That its no longer the contemporary equivalent of a mullet, exhibited to show the world how cool and down you are.
Yeah but you can shave a mullet in 5 minutes. If getting tattoos stop being popular, the millions of them that are on bodies now won't suddenly disappear.
Obviously it's never going to disappear. At the same time, in the not-so-distant past the percentage of tattoo-sporters was much lower than it is now. There's no reason to think that tattooing's popularity won't again wax and wane.
The end of the phenomenon where a great majority of mainstream, middle-class, suburbanite 20-somethings get tattooes of Chinese characters, dolphins, Warner Brothers characters, sports logos, frat/sorority letters, band names, and barbed wire.
Yea, probably. But the thing was, I was in my early 20s.
That's why God invented steel wool.
My girlfriend has lovely, very pale skin and is very fair, and the thought of some blue-black ink on her just seems like marring and defacing something that is so beautiful to begin with. I guess others would see it as nice blank canvas...
Her sister, who is an acupuncturist, has tattoos all over her body, and I actually find hers quite beautiful... she has a flock of birds starting on her upper arm that gradually dissipates as it travels down her forearm, and it seems truly like "body art" and not simply some lame mark on her skin.
My co-worker has an enormous Fenway Park tattooed completely across her upper back---left shoulder blade to right shoulder blade---and if nothing else, I have to admire her dedication....
I tried to account for this in my mid-20's, by trying to come up with tattoo ideas based on foods I like. I'll still like garlic when I'm 60, right?
But I couldn't come up with a sketch that looked like anything other than a bulbous nose with very hairy nostrils. Not hot.
On the other hand, strangers' tattoos can be interesting conversation starters.
Or with your theoretically well-researched article.
David Freese?
Bobby Valentine?
Tim Wakefield?
Roger Clemens?
Ozzie Guillen?
"I come not to praise Caesar, but to bury this in him."
Preening idiots are preening idiots. It has nothing to do with the tattoo, and having one does not make you such by default.
The tattoo doesn't make an idiot, but because tattoos are so trendy and faddish now idiots get them in droves, where previously they might have been satisfied with some other display of tribal affiliation, like a black concert tshirt.
As someone who is currently in their early 20s, I can attest that the only thing that is important to me now that I'm certain will still be important to me when I'm 60 is music and the guitar. Not even baseball. Instead of wasting money on a tattoo, I'll just save up for a sick ####### guitar.
Those seem like "traditional" tatoos. Like a Marine getting a Globe and Anchor, or a sailor getting an anchor. Things that are lifelong affiliations, and signal something permanent, or a real right-of-passage.
IMHO, those tatoos make sense.
Right, I'm not against all tattoos. It certainly makes sense for some people to get them, for certain reasons. I'm talking more about the mainstream trend of getting drunk in college and getting a dolphin on your ankle because it makes you so cutting edge, or it will piss off your parents, or because it show how unique you are.
Right, I'm not against all tattoos. It certainly makes sense for some people to get them, for certain reasons. I'm talking more about the mainstream trend of getting drunk in college and getting a dolphin on your ankle because it makes you so cutting edge, or it will piss off your parents, or because it show how unique you are.
Yes. Those are stupid.
Plus, most tattoos on women are ugly.
These days you're more likely to find guys like this.
I'm glad everyone seems to understand the difference in fad tattoos and actual artistic, spiritual, family, etc; forms of expression. I grew up around tattoos, so I appreciate and in some ways admire the individuality and personal expression involved. I have seen plenty of the full or 3/4 sleeves, back pieces, etc; that my dad has done, and you just can't help but admire them, both from the artist and "canvas" perspective.
I myself do not have any tattoos (and neither do my 2 siblings). Even as I approach 30, I'm still not opposed to getting some ink, but I have yet to decide on all the details about what I want and where. If I would have got one in my early 20s it would have been a guitar or something music related. Now I barely find 20 min. to pick up an acoustic and jam. It is not a decision to take lightly.
It doesn't. You just tough through that part to get to the benefits later.
To each his own. For me, in general tattoos can have more of a negative effect than positive, but it's far from being universal.
Maybe he could get Kennedy's Kelo opinion tattooed across his ass before the 2013 season.
wait, I've seen this movie ...
Having worked in bars for like a decade or so, I've come across countless women with tats and piercings from head to toe. Honestly, it scares me a bit. The more tats and piercings, the more she probably enjoys pain. Just not my thing.
A reg at a hotel bar I worked at was a plastic surgeon, specializing in...um, penile enhancement (this was before the pill era). He flat-out told me that a large number of his younger patients also had the tribal or barbed-wire tattoos. I know, chicken-or-egg and whatnot, but it still makes me chuckle.
Regarding the Asian tats, it's amazing how many ways the Chinese have to symbolize "love", at least if you believe the tats I've seen, lol.
Tats don't bother me, but in a professional setting, for godssake, hide them. I'm astounded by the sheer volume of neck tats I see daily. To me, that's like admitting to everyone that you are and continue to plan on being unemployable in any reasonable setting. Unless you work in a tattoo shop, I guess. Maybe I'm just getting old.
Surprised I haven't seen it brought up yet, but much, much worse than tats are the ear guages I see in the younger set (I'm 36--"lawn exit" sign at the ready). They are just god-awful. Who goes to job interviews looking like an African Bushman? Who thinks it's a good idea to simulate the look of the lucky survivor of a gunshot to the face? Plus, since they are constantly trying to heal, they generate large amounts of ooze and pus and stink unmercifully.
Anyway, just some random thoughts from a long, long time lurker.
I'm still having difficulty with the idea that metal somehow feels better than tongue. I suppose it's possible to improve on the original--anything's possible, after all--but any improvement is going to be incremental, and very, very minor.
One of the IT guys at MLBAM - one of those guys without whom the place would probably melted down 100 times in 2007/2008 as they heavily expanded - was inked in various uncoverable spots, had maybe 00 gauges in the ears, if I recall? He was in plenty of meetings with the suits and execs. Someone somewhere making a hell of a lot of money decided the tattoos kind of didn't matter if you are good at what you do. 'Twas a better decision than the alternative, I'd say.
It just caught the scent of fish, and is moving in for the kill.
A buddy of mine regrets getting a tat of the Alexander Keith's (Canadian beer) stag on his shin when he was 18. I can't imagine why. For the record, my canvas is blank.
Every tattoo thread allows me to break out this "witticism": "Tasteful tattoo is an oxymoron".
One of my nieces has a lot of tattoos. She's a bit unrefined. She's around 28, and beginning to grow up, some, but still makes bad choices (I won't get into them here).
Her arms are covered with them. To me, it's bizarre looking. Like, circus side-show bizarre. It's a matter of taste.
She showed up at a child support hearing in front of a judge wearing a tank top, showing all her tattoos. She also brought her boyfriend (not the father of the children whose support the hearing was addressing.) (OK, there's one bad choice...actually several...that I've exposed.) She said the judge was rude to her, accusing her of attempting to squeeze money out of the dad. As inappropriate as the judge's comments were, his attitude wasn't surprising.
Anyway, eh. Not for me. I don't think there will be many instances of discrimination against the non-tattooed. The rest of you, good luck.
If the only reason the judge had to say such a thing was the fact that she had tats and a boyfriend, the judge should be disbarred.
He's not arguing that these people can't do a good job, if hired, he's saying they're hurting their marketability.
If I wear an NRA hat to a job interview, it has no bearing on my skills, but it's going to be off-putting to a bunch of people in NY. These people are making themselves off-putting to a bunch of people, and hurting their employability.
I would guess wearing a tank top to court was a bigger faux-pas. Judges want you to "dress-up" for court; shows respect.
There's also no reason for the boyfriend to be there, he's not a party to the case, and if he behaves at all weirdly or inappropriately, it will make the judge question her home environment. A hypothetical to consider (not saying that it's true in this case) is one parent brings the kids grandparents the other brings a skeezy looking boyfriend/girlfriend. Which one do you think the judge will view as the likely better parent?
I was aware of this, I simply think it's short-sighted on the part of an employer.
I believe he mentioned the father's income not being sufficient to allow for more support. But, yeah, it sounded wrong, second hand. They didn't bring an attorney, and I've learned that you get more respect from judges when you have an attorney with you.
There's also no reason for the boyfriend to be there, he's not a party to the case, and if he behaves at all weirdly or inappropriately, it will make the judge question her home environment.
He's not a bad kid, but he also dressed down for the occasion, and has lots of tattoos.
It can be. But usually, especially in today's job market, an employer is choosing among multiple qualified candidates. They don't have to take the risk.
I don't really understand why a person can't express what they want to express, but do it on areas of the body that are covered by pants and a long sleeved dress shirt. That's a lot of area to tattoo, pierce, brand, whatever, while being able to completely avoid the downside. Hand/face/neck/other uncoverable tattos have a strong association with gangs and prison.
The dressing down is a problem. Along with not bringing a lawyer, it suggest you're not taking the situation seriously. Judges take themselves very seriously.
Also, no matter how nice he is, there's literally no upside for him being there. Even if he's clean cut in a $1000 suit, at best he can be neutral; there's no nice boyfriend/girlfriend bonus in custody/support hearings. But, anything he does to annoy the judge hurts his girlfriend.
Probably so. They're naive. I'm pretty sure they thought his presence would symbolize stability. They think they're in a stable relationship. They're not. They break up several times a year. But in their minds, they're in a stable relationship, because they get back together. So far.
That's the kind of thing a lawyer is really helpful for. They know how judges think in general, and even what particular judges like and hate.
##### bitch, whine whine. FDR was a good president, and good for the country.
[Edit: That's odd. Why did ##### get nannied the first time, but not the second? You'd think it'd be both, or neither...]
The speech is by Teddy.
Yeah, I'm not defending neck tattoos, trust me. I'm just speaking generally about OMG YOU LOOK CRAZYYY from employers if someone has the tiniest thing different going on.
Please, no debates about FDR here, does not apply. Debate Teddy all you want.
No kids or spouse yet so that's not a consideration.
I'm sure they'll love it, when that day comes.
I think of those the same way I thought of mohawks in the '80s (& afterward; they're just not as common today, I gather, though the fact that I've become old & no longer move in punk circles might have something to do with that perception) -- they're the equivalent of the long, curved fingernails that Chinese mandarins used to wear to show that they didn't have to engage in work. (Considering how many young women used to affect almost the same types of fingernails while operating cash registers & such around here, I guess that wouldn't fly in the 21st century.)
Didn't get my first tattoo till I was 37. All 3 of mine reflect far-left politics; maybe I'm hoping that they'll help keep me from succumbing to some sort of brain disease that renders me Republican (or, to translate it into BTF lawyerese, libertarian) as I approach senescence ... though the fact that I've made it to 52 without (AFAICT) erring in that dreadful direction gives me a certain amount of hope.
Each cost about $50 (can't remember how much I tipped), but the designs are quite simple & no color was involved, so I guess that's why I got off cheaply. Or maybe downtown Little Rock was a really inexpensive place to get that sort of thing done back in the day. The 2nd & 3rd I had done at the same time, on opposite arms, which means I was in a fair amount of pain for a bit. That might not've been the best idea I ever had.
Even if you do it as a form of art - why make your body into a canvas? Why not wear clothes with art painted on? Acknowledging that there might be a subset of people who are truly moved by body art and get the tattoo for artistic reasons - wouldn't that be a very very small number of people?
There's obviously some deeply shared impulse to get a tattoo because, well, lots of people get them. What is it? What causes people to look at their skin and think, "I want to put a drawing of X on this!".
I was going to say something like art + permanence has a draw for certain types, but honestly, it can't be that across the board. As is generally noted and accepted, a lot of idiots have a lot of hideous and/or stupid tattoos. So, I'm sure it differs. When I was getting my first one, I kept hearing people say "oh it should be meaningful" and "yes, it should really be important to you" and I got so tired of that. My take was "it should remain relevant", and that is/was my standard.
On my deathbed, I'll have no problem turning my head and remembering how happy Arthur Dent makes me, or how awesome it was to peg a high B natural in perfect tone.
714?
You're a gigantic Dragnet fan?
Oh. Something to do with Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Wikipedia tells me.
Topical. I think a lot of the people talking here are misjudging the age of people with tattoos. Sure there are younger (late-teens to mid-twenties) idiots getting dumb tattoos, I am not going to argue that, but a lot of older people either have them (and are quite happy with them) or are getting them. Also, if someone wants to get something like an arm sleeve or neck tattoo and show it off, why would you automatically judge them and assume they are less than capable or somehow not apt to work hard or be dependable?
If the ear is generating large amounts of ooze and pus then they are not doing it right. There may be slight cracking and crusting, but ooze and pus is definitely a sign of infection.
D'OH. I actually knew that. Must need more coffee.
And Teddy is even more awesome than FDR.
I have zero tattoos, but surely that works out more expensive than a tattoo in the long run? Clothes wear out; tattoos fade a bit, but the 'permanent' label is still pretty accurate, no?
I think one's body would be a canvas in the event that you wanted to make a permanent commitment to an ideal, a person, a place, that requires more than dropping a few dollars on something disposable and temporary. I've worn clothes with the names of places I've never been or sports teams I've never seen, because what the heck, it was cheap and I needed to gird my body with something. I probably should just have gone with the Dinosaur Comics' "THERE. Now I'm not naked any more" shirt instead, but . . .
People chose designs or statements on their clothes for reasons other than a permanent commitment to something. Think of how many non-Yankee fans wear 'NYY' hats! A tattoo is pretty much an unmistakably deliberate statement, so it has utility as a form of communication, if that's a statement one wishes to make.
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