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Cubs deal Heilman to Diamondbacks

As soon as I can find details I’ll post ‘em.

Mike Emeigh Posted: November 19, 2009 at 10:38 PM | 49 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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1. Mike Emeigh

Posted: November 19, 2009 at 10:40 PM (#3391729)

Steve Gilbert adds the details: LHP Scott Maine and INF Ryne White.

-- MWE

EDIT: Maine's got a chance to help in the pen. White's filler, a 1B without power.

-- MWE

2. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 19, 2009 at 10:43 PM (#3391737)

Scott Maine could be a useful reliever. Ryne White looks like a 1B with no power. Looks like a salary dump.

3. Mike Emeigh

Posted: November 19, 2009 at 10:44 PM (#3391738)

Great minds think alike :)

-- MWE

4. JMPH Posted: November 19, 2009 at 10:47 PM (#3391743)

Great minds think alike :)

That's just eerie.

5. Moses Taylor lost his pants to a pair of nines Posted: November 19, 2009 at 10:50 PM (#3391748)

Good riddance.

6. The District Attorney Posted: November 19, 2009 at 10:55 PM (#3391757)

Now that he's no longer "too important to the bullpen" to become a starter, are we allowed to put him in the rotation now? I really think he is best suited to be there.

7. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 19, 2009 at 10:56 PM (#3391759)

Your coke is in the mail.

8. Crispix Attacks Posted: November 19, 2009 at 10:57 PM (#3391760)

I've only heard of three people named "Ryne" in my life, and all three of them were baseball players.

9. Young Blasarius yonder Posted: November 19, 2009 at 11:01 PM (#3391771)

I've only heard of three people named "Ryne" in my life, and all three of them were baseball players.

Duren. Sandberg. ??

10. SG Posted: November 19, 2009 at 11:04 PM (#3391777)

Duren. Sandberg. ??

I think the answer is in this thread.

11. ugen64 Posted: November 19, 2009 at 11:08 PM (#3391783)

also Rhyne Hughes, a 1B in the Orioles' system :-)

12. JMPH Posted: November 19, 2009 at 11:09 PM (#3391786)

To get even more obscure, Ryne Intlekofer, an infielder at Notre Dame.

13. Mike Emeigh

Posted: November 19, 2009 at 11:10 PM (#3391789)

Here's a Ryne who isn't a ballplayer.

-- MWE

14. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: November 19, 2009 at 11:24 PM (#3391805)

Heilman was considered a non-tender candidate in some quarters - Maine's not a bad return.

15. retro-shiite Posted: November 19, 2009 at 11:29 PM (#3391810)

Moses beat me to it. Heilman sucks.

16. retro-shiite Posted: November 19, 2009 at 11:31 PM (#3391811)

Kind of a weird trade for the DBacks. It's not as if they're just one mediocre reliever away from contention.

17. AROM Posted: November 19, 2009 at 11:35 PM (#3391815)

Sandberg was named after Duren. I wonder if White was named after Sandberg?

18. zonk Posted: November 19, 2009 at 11:39 PM (#3391821)

Heh...

Everyone wants Heilman until they get him and watch him pitch.

Agreed on the good riddance... If Maine can be a passable LOOGY, this is a win.

I do have to admit, when I saw the headline -- I was sort of hoping they were getting Chris Young back. I knew that certainly wouldn't be the case, but he's really crashed, the DBacks don't seem particularly interested in him, and while it's not an albatross, who wants to pay a 4th OF/AAA starter 5 mil for another 3 seasons?

If the Ricketts would be willing to gamble, I wouldn't have minded seeing if Young could be fixed. He plays a strong CF, and you could do a lot worse for 4th OFers. If the Cubs fall apart, they could have also given him an extended shot at CF.

I suppose his contract is a bit much for such a crapshoot, and the Cubs' history 'fixing' hitters isn't very good... but still.

19. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: November 19, 2009 at 11:40 PM (#3391823)

Sandberg was named after Duren. I wonder if White was named after Sandberg?

He was born in Chicago in 1986, so he was either named after him or named in spite of him.

Five other Rynes who played in the minor leagues this year show up on bb-ref. Two more played in 2008.

20. Dewey, Steven Wright Wannabe and Soupuss Posted: November 19, 2009 at 11:48 PM (#3391830)

he's really crashed, the DBacks don't seem particularly interested in him, and while it's not an albatross, who wants to pay a 4th OF/AAA starter 5 mil for another 3 seasons?

For a long time, I thought that Chris Young would be the first young player that Ken Williams would regret trading away. So far, I've been very wrong about that.

21. OaklandAs Posted: November 19, 2009 at 11:48 PM (#3391831)

I was sort of hoping they were getting Chris Young back. I knew that certainly wouldn't be the case, but he's really crashed, the DBacks don't seem particularly interested in him, and while it's not an albatross, who wants to pay a 4th OF/AAA starter 5 mil for another 3 seasons?

I don't think the D'backs have any interest in getting rid of Chris Young. His hot September probably moved him back into this year's starting lineup.

22. Russlan will never be fond of Jason Bay Posted: November 19, 2009 at 11:49 PM (#3391833)

Is it just me or do the D-Backs have a tendency to acquire players that Levski has hated on? Livan, Gotay, and Heilman jump out at me.

23. Freeballin' (Tales of Met Power) Posted: November 20, 2009 at 12:11 AM (#3391851)

Genius Josh!!!

24. Andere Richtingen

Posted: November 20, 2009 at 12:13 AM (#3391853)

If Heilman is going to put up walk rates like he has the two years, good luck. If he can get back to his previous career norms, he could be Borowskiesque.

But yeah, good riddance.

25. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: November 20, 2009 at 12:18 AM (#3391855)

Sandberg was named after Duren. I wonder if White was named after Sandberg?

He was born in Chicago in 1986, so he was either named after him or named in spite of him.

So, does that make him a latter day Mickey Tettleton?

26. Russlan will never be fond of Jason Bay Posted: November 20, 2009 at 12:21 AM (#3391858)

Heilman is throwing just as hard, if not harder, than he did when he was successful. Fangraphs has his average fastball at 90 MPH in 2005 and it was all the way up to 93 in 2008. I don't know how much of that is due to the fact that he made some starts in 2005 but it's just odd to see that.

27. Davo Malvolio Posted: November 20, 2009 at 12:23 AM (#3391862)

Great trade, who'd we get? ;)

28. Tim Stauffer, Trot Nixon's Coming (Dan Lee) Posted: November 20, 2009 at 12:27 AM (#3391865)

Your coke is in the mail.

Butch? Butch Hobson? Is that you?

29. TerpNats Posted: November 20, 2009 at 01:01 AM (#3391891)

Ryne White looks like a 1B with no power.

So while he may be a Ryne, he's actually a Mark Grace.

He was born in Chicago in 1986, so he was either named after him or named in spite of him.

Had he been born on the South Side, would he have been named Harold?

30. SteveM. Posted: November 20, 2009 at 01:11 AM (#3391903)

I named my son Ryne. I wanted to name my daughter Grace but was overruled by the ex-wife. If we had one more son, I was going to vote for Shawon.

31. Crispix Attacks Posted: November 20, 2009 at 01:25 AM (#3391912)

If we had one more son, I was going to vote for Shawon.

Pronounced "Chone".

32. retro-shiite Posted: November 20, 2009 at 02:49 AM (#3391945)

33. SteveM. Posted: November 20, 2009 at 03:02 AM (#3391953)

After a season of Heilman, I don't care how hard he throws or what kind of stuff he has. The man just simply sucks. An unscientific answer for sure, but truthful never the less.

34. meatwad Posted: November 20, 2009 at 04:21 AM (#3391990)

are any of last years off season aquisiions even going to be on the team this year?

35. David Wrightwing obstructionist Posted: November 20, 2009 at 05:20 AM (#3392023)

Is it just me or do the D-Backs have a tendency to acquire players that Levski has hated on? Livan, Gotay, and Heilman jump out at me.

Some karmic payback? The world is fair!

36. David Wrightwing obstructionist Posted: November 20, 2009 at 05:22 AM (#3392024)

BTW, if you ever get a chance to watch Heilman shag balls in the OF, I recommend it, a buddy of mine and I still giggle about it to this day.

37. The Kids Are Enright (1k5v3L)

Posted: November 20, 2009 at 06:03 AM (#3392049)

Is it just me or do the D-Backs have a tendency to acquire players that Levski has hated on? Livan, Gotay, and Heilman jump out at me.

With enough luck, all three of them will be on the Dbacks 25 man roster next year.
And the Dbacks will trade Justin Upton for Angel Pagan and Bernazard's battle-tested T-shirt.

Some karmic payback? The world is fair!

You obviously don't know the meaning of the word karma.

38. The Kids Are Enright (1k5v3L)

Posted: November 20, 2009 at 06:07 AM (#3392050)

Btw, I never hated Gotay or Heilman. I just mocked Mets fans who thought they were the Mets next superstar players.
If I had a dime for every time someone here wrote "Ruben Gotay, the amazing Mets second baseman of the future".
Or a penny for the thousands of words wasted by Mets fans arguing that Heilman would be a good starter.
Livan... eh, why beat a dead horse. He was a lot better with the Dbacks than he was with the Mets.

39. David Wrightwing obstructionist Posted: November 20, 2009 at 06:07 AM (#3392051)

You obviously don't know the meaning of the word karma.

Ya, but I know what Heilman brings to the table, enjoy!!!

40. ValueArbitrageur Posted: November 20, 2009 at 06:10 AM (#3392055)

Chris Young didn't finish that far from being an average CF with the bat this year.

And Heilman doesn't seem to be a bad gamble.

41. The Kids Are Enright (1k5v3L)

Posted: November 20, 2009 at 06:14 AM (#3392058)

Ya, but I know what Heilman brings to the table, enjoy!!!

Actually, I also know what Heilman brings to the table. I've had Mets fans repeat it to me hundreds of times over the years. In the end, I'll probably enjoy it as much as I like a root canal. In the end, I don't really have a problem with this move per se. Depth for the bullpen at fairly reasonable cost. As Steve Gilbert pointed out on his blog, Heilman may end up being a type B free agent and the Dbacks might even get a draft pick in the end. But I sure hope the team adds another reliever, via trade or free agency - hopefully a guy with a bit more upside too.

42. Freeballin' (Tales of Met Power) Posted: November 20, 2009 at 06:18 AM (#3392060)

Remember when Josh bilked the Mets out of Jorge Julio? That was an epic swindle!!!

43. Russlan will never be fond of Jason Bay Posted: November 20, 2009 at 06:19 AM (#3392062)

Methinks, the Levksi doth protest too much.

44. Freeballin' (Tales of Met Power) Posted: November 20, 2009 at 06:24 AM (#3392067)

Btw, I never hated Gotay or Heilman. I just mocked Mets fans who thought they were the Mets next superstar players.
If I had a dime for every time someone here wrote "Ruben Gotay, the amazing Mets second baseman of the future".

It would be a raise over whatever they pay you at your fast food job now?

45. ValueArbitrageur Posted: November 20, 2009 at 04:00 PM (#3392265)

Remember when Josh bilked the Mets out of Jorge Julio? That was an epic swindle!!!

2009 NY Mets
Record 70-92
Payroll $145M

Now that's an epic swindle!!!

46. BringBackTimTeufel Posted: November 20, 2009 at 05:37 PM (#3392409)

His velocity's fine; he just has zero command. I think the "Marmol without all the K's" description is apt.

Isn't Marmol without the K's essentially worthless?

47. retro-shiite Posted: November 20, 2009 at 05:45 PM (#3392417)

Isn't Marmol without the K's essentially worthless?

Uh--yes. That's sort of my point re. Heilman.

48. The Kids Are Enright (1k5v3L)

Posted: November 20, 2009 at 06:12 PM (#3392471)

Remember when Josh bilked the Mets out of Jorge Julio? That was an epic swindle!!!

It's really sad Mets fans have to go all the way back to the El Duque trade to find an Omar Minaya move worth celebrating.

It would be a raise over whatever they pay you at your fast food job now?

Robert Henson in da house, everybody! As dumb and as irrelevant as ever.

49. The Kids Are Enright (1k5v3L)

Posted: November 20, 2009 at 06:13 PM (#3392473)

2009 NY Mets
Record 70-92
Payroll $145M
Now that's an epic swindle!!!

Just wait until you see the 2010 version.

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