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Tuesday, October 10, 2017

Cubs-Nationals Game 4 postponed until Wednesday

Game 4 of the National League Division Series between the Chicago Cubs and Washington Nationals at Wrigley Field was postponed by rain, and will be played at 4:08 ET on Wednesday, Major League Baseball announced.

The Cubs will stick with scheduled starter Jake Arrieta for Game 4 regardless, instead of Game 1 starter Kyle Hendricks, manager Joe Maddon said Tuesday afternoon.

Nationals manager Dusty Baker would not yet say whether he would replace scheduled Game 4 starter Tanner Roark with Game 1 starter Stephen Strasburg - who would be on regular rest - though that appears highly likely with the Nationals facing elimination.

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LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: October 10, 2017 at 06:25 PM | 48 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Srul Itza Posted: October 10, 2017 at 06:31 PM (#5549211)
One more day of rest for the Dodger's bull pen.
   2. spycake Posted: October 10, 2017 at 06:35 PM (#5549213)
One more day of rest for the Dodger's bull pen.


If you are talking about the NLCS, I think that will proceed as scheduled. They will just nix the remaining NLDS travel day, if necessary.
   3. Optimistic Moses Taylor, optimist Posted: October 10, 2017 at 06:38 PM (#5549215)
There was a scheduled off day tomorrow, game 5 *if necessary is still on Thursday.

Had they started at 1 (most Cubs afternoon games start at 1:20), they might have gotten it in. But once they delayed it the first time, they were just waiting for the rain to start to justify postponing it.

Sucks for the people at the game that they didn't just call it off earlier.
   4. Optimistic Moses Taylor, optimist Posted: October 10, 2017 at 06:43 PM (#5549221)
Sahadev Sharma‏ @sahadevsharma 2m2 minutes ago

Dusty says they're sticking with Roark tomorrow.


!!!!!!!!!!!
   5. Meatwad in mourning Posted: October 10, 2017 at 06:44 PM (#5549224)
I may have have to try to get up there tomorrow since I am off work and went yesterday.
   6. TomH Posted: October 10, 2017 at 06:44 PM (#5549226)
#4; no way. Really? Not Roark in game 5, telling him he only has to go 3 IP, Scherzer in inning 4?
   7. Bote Man Posted: October 10, 2017 at 06:45 PM (#5549228)
Nationals Twitter is not happy right now, to say the very least.
   8. Optimistic Moses Taylor, optimist Posted: October 10, 2017 at 06:46 PM (#5549230)
Sahadev Sharma @sahadevsharma 3m3 minutes ago

Dusty says they're all creatures of habit, doesn't want to get guys out of their rhythm. Says Stras (and many others) are under the weather

Chelsea Janes @chelsea_janes 2m2 minutes ago

Dusty said Strasburg did throw a bullpen today in anticipation of starting Thursday. So by time game was called, couldn't pitch tomorrow.


They had to know this postponement was very, very likely, no?
   9. Andere Richtingen Posted: October 10, 2017 at 06:46 PM (#5549231)
Nationals Twitter is not happy right now, to say the very least.

Are you kidding me?

Ooh, just now seeing the news about what Baker said.

I predict he will sleep on it and change his mind. If not, he is an IDIOT for having Strasburg throw a bullpen session. Jesus, it was pretty clear 24 hours ago that this was very likely to happen.
   10. Optimistic Moses Taylor, optimist Posted: October 10, 2017 at 06:51 PM (#5549234)
He could in theory change his mind overnight and have Strasburg start, but based on the bullpen part can he even start Strasburg now? How much in advance notice would Dusty have to give Strasburg so he's ready and not hung out to dry?
   11. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: October 10, 2017 at 06:53 PM (#5549235)
I think it's more likely that Scherzer shows up in relief than Strasburg shows up in the first inning. (I actually think Scherzer showing up in relief is a stone cold lock.)
   12. Optimistic Moses Taylor, optimist Posted: October 10, 2017 at 06:55 PM (#5549236)
I don't think there's any way Max can pitch tomorrow, right? Game 5, maybe? I guess they can be a little more aggressive since he did so well yesterday, but how many innings can he pitch tomorrow?

I said it in the Cubs thread, but Strasburg/Gonzalez is a better game 4/5 combo than Roark/Strasburg by a good amount, IMO, even if I don't believe in Gio. Also it just means they're less likely to even have a game 5.

If we thought Buck got roasted last year for not using his pitcher in an elimination game, this is going to make that seem like peanuts.
   13. Optimistic Moses Taylor, optimist Posted: October 10, 2017 at 06:58 PM (#5549238)
Megan Mawicke @MeganMawicke

#Nationals Dusty Baker says a lot of his players are under the weather. Says AC In hotels & mold in Chicago."I think it's mold." @cbschicago


My allergies have been out of control the past weekend through today.
   14. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: October 10, 2017 at 07:00 PM (#5549239)
I don't think there's any way Max can pitch tomorrow, right?
Dusty's actions over the course of the season tells us pretty clearly that he has little faith in that bullpen, revamped though it may be. The Nats as an organization are super gun-shy with respect to Strasburg's health, so I can't imagine him being breathed upon if he's not going to actually start the game. Scherzer, on the other hand, has been a block of granite for them. If the Nats are up in a 1-run situation late, I fully expect to see Scherzer get the call from Dusty.
   15. Walt Davis Posted: October 10, 2017 at 07:01 PM (#5549240)
And the Cubs Twitter should be up in arms that Hendricks isn't starting. Unless of course he threw bullpen today which would have the same WTF about it but what do I know about prepping SPs.

Presumably if this was Scherzer's throw day then tomorrow would be Gio's and Lester's, making them available for relief (if it remains Roark vs Jake). As I pointed out in another thread, this also raises the question about Lester in G2 over Quintana ... but that becomes moot if we're starting Jake in G4 anyway.
   16. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: October 10, 2017 at 07:02 PM (#5549243)
Grinding it out since mid-February only to be taken down by... mold!
   17. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 10, 2017 at 07:12 PM (#5549249)
Grinding it out since mid-February only to be taken down by... mold!

In Dusty we Trusty, until it gets Musty.
   18. Optimistic Moses Taylor, optimist Posted: October 10, 2017 at 07:13 PM (#5549250)
And the Cubs Twitter should be up in arms that Hendricks isn't starting. Unless of course he threw bullpen today which would have the same WTF about it but what do I know about prepping SPs.

Absolutely disagree. If the Cubs think Jake is healthy, he's likely to be just as good as Hendricks.

I also disagreed on the q/Lester thing, and responded in the chatter.
   19. 'Spos Posted: October 10, 2017 at 07:14 PM (#5549252)
Quin & Jake and pray for fake (rain).
   20. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: October 10, 2017 at 07:17 PM (#5549255)
Nationals have this ! Cubs stink !
   21. Quaker Posted: October 10, 2017 at 07:18 PM (#5549258)
Foolishly left my hotel and went to stadium, which has turned into a 3+ hr excursion and I'm still not back yet. Really should've either played this early or just cancelled beforehand if they weren't even going to get a few innings in.

At least I got to contribute $11.50 in Goose Island to Bryce's 2018 contract.
   22. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: October 10, 2017 at 07:24 PM (#5549260)
Ok, so my beloved Yankees did it, after all. Forced Game 5 !
So what now ? Start Tanaka ? Not Gray I hope, although I like him very much !
I would go with Tanaka ! Give him rest after beating the Injuns !
Young Gray Wind of the Hill People of Oakland still needs to prove himself !

GO YANKEES !
   23. Andere Richtingen Posted: October 10, 2017 at 07:25 PM (#5549261)
"I think it's mold."

OK -- this is my area. And I can only offer what we all already knew about Baker.
   24. Andere Richtingen Posted: October 10, 2017 at 07:26 PM (#5549264)
And the Cubs Twitter should be up in arms that Hendricks isn't starting.

Yeah, that I don't agree with. He's in place for Game 5.
   25. Bote Man Posted: October 10, 2017 at 07:26 PM (#5549265)
Start Arrieta, and hope he throws bettah.

Roark and Strasburg, then fly off to...Salzburg.
   26. Bote Man Posted: October 10, 2017 at 07:41 PM (#5549272)
Dan Kolko @masnKolko
Nats say Dusty misspoke. Strasburg threw his bullpen yesterday, not today. But he's under the weather and his endurance is low. Hence, Roark.

The Kremlin has spoken. Believe every word.

Does the visiting clubhouse in renovated Wrigley Field have a bullpen or something?? Has Strasburg mastered invisibility???
   27. Optimistic Moses Taylor, optimist Posted: October 10, 2017 at 07:48 PM (#5549276)
Yes the bullpen is hidden, under the bleachers.
   28. Meatwad in mourning Posted: October 10, 2017 at 07:49 PM (#5549277)
Yeah going to the game tomorrow same seat as monday!
   29. Optimistic Moses Taylor, optimist Posted: October 10, 2017 at 07:52 PM (#5549279)
If Jake does struggle, they can have either lackey or Lester go tomorrow. Plus most of the pen is completely rested.

I am taking their word Jake is healthy, they may have been right about Lester based on his last 2 starts.

When all the Cubs starters are healthy, there really isn't a clear hierarchy imo. Jake at his best has reached the highest level of results/stuff, and it's really close between him and Kyle in the second half. So it's back to if he's healthy...
   30. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 10, 2017 at 08:01 PM (#5549282)
Am I missing something? Didn't Strasburg pitch on Friday and Gio on Saturday? And wouldn't that mean that if Strasburg pitched tomorrow and Gio on Thursday (with Scherzer ready for emergencies), they'd be using their #2 and #3 starters on normal rest?

And instead, for game 4 Dusty wants to go with a pitcher with a 4.96 ERA? Is he ####### nuts?

I don't have much rooting interest in this series, but if I were a Nats fan tonight, I'd be sorely pissed.
   31. Bote Man Posted: October 10, 2017 at 08:05 PM (#5549284)
The Machiavellian thinking is that Roark will indeed start tomorrow, pitch 1 or 2 innings, then hand the ball over to LHP Gio to face the predominantly lefty-heavy Cubs lineup. But at this point I've seen more theories than I can digest considering how the Nats' story keeps changing. I'd really rather enjoy this rum and face the pain of reality tomorrow, thank you very much.
   32. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 10, 2017 at 08:18 PM (#5549293)
In other games, Edwin Encarnacion is optimistic about DHing for the Indians in Game 5. Didn't seem likely when he was carried off.
   33. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 10, 2017 at 08:26 PM (#5549299)
For those needing a baseball fix tonight, the MLB Network is now showing a condensed version of Game 4 of the Indians - Yankees series. 2-0, Yankees with Judge up with 2 on in the 2nd. I'm optimistic!
   34. Optimistic Moses Taylor, optimist Posted: October 10, 2017 at 08:26 PM (#5549300)
then hand the ball over to LHP Gio to face the predominantly lefty-heavy Cubs lineup.

Both Jay and Rizzo are fine against lefties, so it might only chase schwarber from the game, improving the Cubs defense. That theory isn't very convincing, or should I say sound, and shouldn't make you feel better.
   35. Voodoo Posted: October 10, 2017 at 08:33 PM (#5549306)
If the Cubs were down a game I could see considering going with Hendricks for game 4 on normal rest. As it is, though, I think it's a no-brainer to turn to Jake with Kyle waiting in the wings for G5, but hopefully G1 of the NLCS. No reason in the world to be upset about going to Arrieta tomorrow, IMO.
   36. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 10, 2017 at 08:55 PM (#5549318)
The Machiavellian thinking is that Roark will indeed start tomorrow, pitch 1 or 2 innings, then hand the ball over to LHP Gio to face the predominantly lefty-heavy Cubs lineup.

Bucky Harris of the Senators used that kind of move in game 7 of the 1924 World Series. He started the righthander Curly Ogden, and then after he walked the switch hitting Frankie Frisch with one out in the top of the first inning, Harris replaced him with the lefthanded George Mogridge for the next 4 2/3 innings. This was also when the site of the 7th game was decided by a coin flip after the 6th game, with Washington winning the toss, but if the game had been played in the Polo Grounds, Harris's eventually decisive home run would've been a routine fly ball out, and the sun that got in Freddy Lindstrom's eyes on the winning hit in the bottom of the 12th wouldn't have affected his view.
   37. Walt Davis Posted: October 10, 2017 at 08:58 PM (#5549320)
You guys should watch more baseball. Hendricks is clearly the best SP; Quintana is pretty clearly #2. That might be closer if Lester and Arrieta weren't both coming back from injuries.

No reason not to go with Jake? How about only 10 IP in Sept, giving up 9 runs with current health uncertain and, even if he's healthy, rustiness from inactivity likely, ability to go deep into the game unknown. There's no reason to start him when Hendricks is available on normal rest.
   38. Voodoo Posted: October 10, 2017 at 09:20 PM (#5549338)
I agree that Hendricks is clearly the #1 starter. Don't necessarily agree about Q as #2 (that's what... based on two starts?). I'm also operating under the the assumption that if Jake is going to go, that the Cubs feel he is healthy enough to go, which means that his ten innings in September are a non-factor, or at least not super germane to this decision.

But even if Jake wasn't good to go tomorrow, I would be all for starting Lackey tomorrow instead, holding our clear #1 starter back for a potential must-win game 5, while also allowing for him to start G1 of the next series if the must-win scenario doesn't materialize.

Unless you think that giving Hendricks a day, or more optimistically three days, of extra rest is going to negatively impact him, I almost don't see how this is even debatable. In this situation, I'd take (insert random #4 starter here) as the choice to pitch over #1 Hendricks, and the fact that #4 starter is someone with the pedigree of Arrieta makes this decision all the more the no-brainer to me.
   39. Voodoo Posted: October 10, 2017 at 09:29 PM (#5549353)
Now reports are Strasburg has declined the opportunity to start tomorrow . In the Nats' case, starting (insert random #4 starter here) over their ace is mind-numbing.
   40. Sunday silence Posted: October 10, 2017 at 09:40 PM (#5549361)
Career wise Rizzo seems to have difference of 66 pts .slug vs LHP (25 pts ba). Doesnt seem like a lot but he goes from having very good power to just over league average vs lefties.
   41. The Honorable Ardo Posted: October 10, 2017 at 10:42 PM (#5549424)
The Nationals are down 2-1. You can only start Strasburg once, and I'm not all that sure that Gonzalez in Game 5 is a better option than Roark in Game 4. It's like no one watched Baeur's start in Game 4 of the Indians-Yankees series.
Rizzo goes from having very good power to just over league average vs lefties.
True. That's why you call for Sean Doolittle instead of Oliver freaking Perez. Dusty made a hideous move, though I'm a Cubs fan who shouldn't complain.
   42. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 10, 2017 at 11:57 PM (#5549457)
The Nationals are down 2-1. You can only start Strasburg once, and I'm not all that sure that Gonzalez in Game 5 is a better option than Roark in Game 4. It's like no one watched Baeur's start in Game 4 of the Indians-Yankees series.

Both Strasburg and Gio would be on 4 days rest, while Bauer was on 3. Big difference, and Roark's year was way below either of them.

Of course Strasburg's saying he wouldn't be at full strength tomorrow because of a minor illness, so that's probably entering into Dusty's equation.
   43. Andere Richtingen Posted: October 11, 2017 at 09:22 AM (#5549559)
No reason not to go with Jake? How about only 10 IP in Sept, giving up 9 runs with current health uncertain and, even if he's healthy, rustiness from inactivity likely, ability to go deep into the game unknown. There's no reason to start him when Hendricks is available on normal rest.

Normal rest between starts against the same team. That may or may not be a small issue, but the rationale for going one way or the other is going to based on comparing the sums of a lot of small parts. For Arrieta, health is the crux of the matter. The hamstring issue was in play for all three of his September starts, and after going down on Sep 4 this was acknowledged. Now Arrieta and the Cubs claim he is 100%. Assuming he is healthy and sharp, I go with Arrieta. If it were an elimination game (like it is for the Nats) I would seriously ponder using Hendricks, but even then I probably go with Arrieta.



   44. Optimistic Moses Taylor, optimist Posted: October 11, 2017 at 09:29 AM (#5549573)
Jake's health is the one we thing we on the outside have no gauge of, until he pitches. It's also a little disingenuous to lump all 3 September starts together; the first one is when he got hurt and then he didn't pitch for a while; the 2nd start went fine on limited pitches, and the third didn't (although some of that is on his defense - the HRs were on him though). I would personally have felt better had Jake taken his last start of the year and we could see whether or not he was fine; since he didn't, who knows. Well, I don't know, but the Cubs maybe do.
   45. Andere Richtingen Posted: October 11, 2017 at 09:36 AM (#5549585)
I believe Arrieta claimed that the hamstring issue was still there in that last start, which was over two weeks ago now. If it's still lingering, then yeah, Plan B, especially since it's going to be a cold damp day today.
   46. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: October 11, 2017 at 10:24 AM (#5549665)
One of the many, many better things about this regime is that I have a lot more trust in their health status reports than prior regimes... hence, if they think Jake is healthy, then I wholly agree he starts today.

Regardless, you're up 2-1, not down 2-1, so it's silly to push Hendricks ahead. That's NOT looking ahead - it's simply a matter of well, not being in panic mode. If they can't complete the home sweep, then Kyle in game 5.

The only thing that gives me a wee bit of pause is that the weather reports say it looks a bit chilly - though hardly sounds like it's hardly anything other than what you'd generally expect from mid-October in Chicago... and as Andere says in 45 - not exactly ideal tight hammy weather.

Still - if you don't start Jake in game 4 then it means you really made a mistake even bothering to carry him on the roster.
   47. Rally Posted: October 11, 2017 at 10:33 AM (#5549681)
That's why you call for Sean Doolittle instead of Oliver freaking Perez. Dusty made a hideous move, though I'm a Cubs fan who shouldn't complain.


Doolittle should have been in the game an inning earlier, to face Schwarber/ PH Almora. You've got 8 outs to go with a 1 run lead, that's the time to use your best bullpen options. Not the time to bring in a loogy with a 5.88 ERA. Solis might have been defendable if the Cubs were forced for some reason to stick with Schwarber, but the PH option was something that was obvious a mile away. Bring in Doolittle and you have a reliever you can trust against a righty or a lefty hitter.
   48. Captain Supporter Posted: October 11, 2017 at 03:56 PM (#5550165)
Strasburg's saying he wouldn't be at full strength tomorrow because of a minor illness, so that's probably entering into Dusty's equation.


Really? A minor illness means he won't take the ball? Well, at least he'll be back at full strength for next year.

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