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Cubs “open” to discussing a Soriano trade at the winter meetings…

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charityslave is thinking about baseball Posted: December 02, 2012 at 01:53 AM | 18 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: December 02, 2012 at 11:28 AM (#4314536)
The BBTF version of a hanging curve ball...
   2. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: December 02, 2012 at 11:38 AM (#4314539)
Alfonso Soriano is available?
   3. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: December 02, 2012 at 11:54 AM (#4314545)
they may also call Whitey Herzog
   4. Shalimar Posted: December 02, 2012 at 12:05 PM (#4314553)
I bet they could get Alex Rodriguez for him.
   5. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: December 02, 2012 at 12:18 PM (#4314563)
The article merely cites "major league sources" so I think the report is false.
   6. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: December 02, 2012 at 12:23 PM (#4314565)
Clearly the Cubs aren't serious about competing. Hopefully Bud will nix any deal.
   7. zonk Posted: December 02, 2012 at 12:24 PM (#4314566)
At this point, 'available' is accurate --

There's not really any pressing need to move him - he's got two years left, he was a perfectly cromulent part of the lineup last year, and he's not a Bradley/Zambrano clubhouse problem.

If Soriano plays out the next two years in Chicago, that's not the end of the world - they don't really have anyone blocked in LF and his contract isn't hamstringing them financially anymore.

So, yeah, I'd be 'open' to moving Soriano too -- of course -- but absolutely no interest in just moving him for another bad contract.

I wouldn't a legitimate prospect back, but a lottery ticket or cheap low upside reliever, etc is what it would take... so no thanks to the A-Rods, the Ugglas, etc
   8. phredbird Posted: December 02, 2012 at 01:24 PM (#4314607)
pass
   9. McCoy Posted: December 02, 2012 at 01:47 PM (#4314613)
His contract was never financially hamstringing them and moving him wouldn't have relieved the situation if his contract was a problem.
   10. Dale Sams Posted: December 02, 2012 at 02:31 PM (#4314631)
so no thanks to the A-Rods, the Ugglas, etc


Would you have taken Carl Crawford last year before it was revealed he needed TJ?
   11. A Di-J Persnickety Posted: December 02, 2012 at 02:35 PM (#4314634)
He'd be a major upgrade for the Mets.
   12. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 02, 2012 at 03:04 PM (#4314649)
IT'S A TRAP!
   13. The Yankee Clapper Posted: December 02, 2012 at 03:12 PM (#4314653)
There have been rumors of Soriano's availability for quite some time, IIRC, but now that he is healthy again and playing reasonably well, it t shouldn't be that hard to move him if the Cubs really want to trade him. No big advantage in doing so either, but perhaps I'm underestimating Theo's talents.
   14. BDC Posted: December 02, 2012 at 03:32 PM (#4314663)
"Bus" comps for Soriano:

Player            Rfield   PA OPS+  3B  SB       Pos
Jimmy Collins        121 7452  113 116 194   
*5/9864
Matt Williams         91 7595  113  35  53    
*56/3D
Ben Chapman           50 7424  114 107 287  897
/5416
Johnny Callison       47 7437  115  89  74    
*97/8D
Del Pratt             35 7608  112 117 247 
*4/365987
George Burns          22 7237  113  72 154     
*3/97
George Kell           14 7529  112  50  51   
*5/3749
Ron Gant              12 7320  112  50 243  
*784/5D9
Jim Fregosi            4 7403  113  78  76  
*635/D74
Frank Schulte          4 7412  114 124 233     
*97/8
Dave Kingman         
-58 7429  115  25  85   37D59/1
Aramis Ramirez       
-59 7588  116  22  25      *5/D
Raul Ibanez          
-61 7502  112  46  47 *7D93/825
Alfonso Soriano      
-78 7531  113  30 270  *74/D856 


Interesting how many multi-position players are on the list. To play that long as a good but not dominant hitter, you usually have to have a few extra things going for you: glove, arm, speed, versatility. Ron Gant is the most similar of all across the board to Soriano, which sounds about right.

Two HOFers among them: Collins, who is in the HOM as well for his glove and the HOF partly for his managing; and Kell, who was a really good player, but one of the weakest in the HOF; no shame in that.
   15. zenbitz Posted: December 02, 2012 at 04:55 PM (#4314708)
Soriano is rather like Zito - in that he's too good to cut and no one will give you anything for a contract with net negative value (although according to fangraphs Soriano actually was breakeven in WAR/$). Zito is typically around -8/-9M year. But I guess with Zito you get health, and league average 4th/5th starters don't grown on trees.
   16. charityslave is thinking about baseball Posted: December 02, 2012 at 06:40 PM (#4314742)
The principal difference between the perception of those two contracts is the two world series championships. Those two rings are the reason that no one here says "Barry Zito is available".
   17. The District Attorney Posted: December 02, 2012 at 08:43 PM (#4314782)
Ron Gant is the most similar of all across the board to Soriano, which sounds about right.
Yeah, he's the only one who seems even the slightest bit similar :) I guess it's because Soriano had much less defensive value than most of them, yet was much faster than Kingman/Aramis/Ibanez.

He's 16th all-time in power/speed number!
   18. Walt Davis Posted: December 02, 2012 at 08:49 PM (#4314786)
Those two rings are the reason that no one here says "Barry Zito is available".

Nah, nobody here says that because Giants fans have no sense of humor.

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