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Tuesday, January 26, 2010

Cubs sign Nady, Sheets to A’s

*throws chair, tears rotator cuff*

The Chicago Cubs have signed Xavier Nady to a one-year contract, SI.com has learned, while the Oakland A’s have signed Ben Sheets…

Sheets’ contract is for about $8 million, which is what he had been seeking.

The District Attorney Posted: January 26, 2010 at 06:07 PM | 149 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Lassus Posted: January 26, 2010 at 06:14 PM (#3446756)
Well, at $8 mil, I can't see where that was any good for the Mets. I hope. Unless he was worth it. Then I'll be pissed.

Good luck, Shooty.
   2. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: January 26, 2010 at 06:18 PM (#3446763)
Well, at $8 mil, I can't see where that was any good for the Mets. I hope. Unless he was worth it. Then I'll be pissed.

Good luck, Shooty.


Ya gotta spend the money on something! I think it's a good deal. The A's have the depth if he can't make it through the season and it lets Cahill and Mazz stay in Sacramento to start the season. I don't think the A's are that far from the other teams in the division so it's nice to see them go for it.
   3. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: January 26, 2010 at 06:18 PM (#3446764)
That's a lot of money for a one man M*A*S*H unit. Still, they could have one hell of a pitching staff out there this year.
   4. Gamingboy Posted: January 26, 2010 at 06:18 PM (#3446765)
Easily Injured Aces are the new Market Inefficiency
   5. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: January 26, 2010 at 06:21 PM (#3446768)
Easily Injured Aces are the new Market Inefficiency

The entire A's rotation is still what, 15 million dollars altogether now? They can afford the risk.
   6. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 26, 2010 at 06:22 PM (#3446774)
Knowing the A's injury history and Ben Sheets injury history, I expect him to injure himself signing the contract.
   7. Spahn Insane Posted: January 26, 2010 at 06:22 PM (#3446775)
Nady for a year? I like it.
   8. Iwakuma Chameleon (jonathan) Posted: January 26, 2010 at 06:22 PM (#3446776)
Huzzah.



It is what it is. We're overpaying because we can and there's nobody left to throw money at, and, hey, if he and Duke can give us, say, 300 combined healthy innings, maybe we've got a shot at this thing.
   9. Bourbon Samurai, what price fettucine? Posted: January 26, 2010 at 06:24 PM (#3446779)
Nice! It's not like this is preventing us from doing something else, so great. If everything breaks right, including probably early appearances by Carter at least and maybe Taylor, we could flirt with contention, and if not, we can try to swap Sheets and the Duke of Depressionham at the deadline.
   10. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 26, 2010 at 06:24 PM (#3446780)
I don't think the A's are that far from the other teams in the division so it's nice to see them go for it.


Yeah, Carlos Gonzalez might put it all together at some point, but Holliday is a really special player in the prime of his career.

Wait, what year is it again?
   11. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 26, 2010 at 06:24 PM (#3446781)
   12. Danny Posted: January 26, 2010 at 06:29 PM (#3446785)
Nice. They have plenty of money, and I'd rather see them spend it than pocket it.

The three-CF lineup should benefit Sheets.
   13. Rich Rifkin Posted: January 26, 2010 at 06:31 PM (#3446787)
It seems to me there are two possible upsides and one down to this deal:

A. Sheets stays healthy, pitches well and contributes to a team in contention for the playoffs;
B. Sheets stays healthy and pitches well, but at mid-season the A's are not in contention for the playoffs and they trade him to a contender for a good prospect;
C. Sheets is Sheets, busts his ankle leaving his barber's chair, suffers a severe neck strain reading the newspaper and plays very little.

In case A, the A's got a good price for a top-flight star pitcher and everybody goes home happy.

In case B, the A's end up paying $4 million (half a season) for a quality pitcher and improve their future prospects with a prospect (hopefully a good hitter).

Case C seems most likely to me, and it's a waste of $8 million and to the extent Sheets pitches, he steals time on the major league mound from a developing pitcher.
   14. Khrushin it bro Posted: January 26, 2010 at 06:31 PM (#3446788)
This is exciting due to the obvious upside. Also the A's through all of their injuries have had average or so health with their pitchers when compared to other teams I think. Its the position players that have been MASH units.
   15. Rich Rifkin Posted: January 26, 2010 at 06:34 PM (#3446791)
They have plenty of money, and I'd rather see them spend it than pocket it.

Wasting money never helps. I understand the pocket "theory." But I think the reality is they would potentially use the money down the road to sign draft picks or Latin FA players.
   16. CrosbyBird Posted: January 26, 2010 at 06:42 PM (#3446802)
At $8M, I would have felt it was an overpay but would have been okay with it for the Mets. $10M + incentives is off the wall. A healthy Sheets is pretty likely to be worth the money, but there's nothing pretty likely about a healthy Sheets.
   17. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: January 26, 2010 at 06:44 PM (#3446803)
Maybe this is a stupid question, do the Brewers get anything from Oakland(comp. pick)? Does the year on the sidelines cancel that compensatory pick?
   18. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: January 26, 2010 at 06:44 PM (#3446804)
Wow. I can't believe Sheets got that much money.

I would have thought Sheets and Penny would have signed for less than $8M guaranteed combined... and they both exceeded it individually? That's just ridiculous!
   19. Howie B. Posted: January 26, 2010 at 06:44 PM (#3446805)
What is the insurance situation for pitchers like Sheets? If he is insurable, and even if the insurance tacks a 10% premium onto the deal, isn't the downside that the A's pay $800K and the insurance co. pays the $8m?
   20. Howie B. Posted: January 26, 2010 at 06:44 PM (#3446807)
Unless he just has nagging injuries that somehow sideline him all year without anything claim-worthy. In which case the worst case scenario is (D) - he throws 150+ innings of 6.00+ ERA and the A's keep slagging him out there anyway.
   21. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 26, 2010 at 06:47 PM (#3446811)
What is the insurance situation for pitchers like Sheets? If he is insurable, and even if the insurance tacks a 10% premium onto the deal, isn't the downside that the A's pay $800K and the insurance co. pays the $8m?

I think insurance only covers if a guy misses the whole season. If not, wtf would insure Sheets for only 10% premium.
   22. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 26, 2010 at 06:48 PM (#3446814)
Maybe this is a stupid question, do the Brewers get anything from Oakland(comp. pick)? Does the year on the sidelines cancel that compensatory pick?

I believe the player has to sign a MLB contract by the following draft to merit compensation.

If not, I hope Mark Grudzianek makes the Indians roster, because the Royals still are owed a compensation pick for him!
   23. flournoy Posted: January 26, 2010 at 06:49 PM (#3446816)
Maybe this is a stupid question, do the Brewers get anything from Oakland(comp. pick)? Does the year on the sidelines cancel that compensatory pick?


There's an expiration date on that. May 1st maybe? I don't know exactly. But no, the Brewers get nothing.
   24. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: January 26, 2010 at 06:49 PM (#3446817)
Yeah, Carlos Gonzalez might put it all together at some point, but Holliday is a really special player in the prime of his career.

Wait, what year is it again?


I'm not sure I get the snark here. They shouldn't try to win what's considered a weak division? Also, this didn't cost them any prospects.
   25. Tripon Posted: January 26, 2010 at 06:49 PM (#3446818)
The payroll for the A's in 2010 projects roughly to $45,000,000 before the A's signed Sheets. This might be a signing that shows that the A's are spending money and should not be a target of MLBPA for not spending money.
   26. Lassus Posted: January 26, 2010 at 06:51 PM (#3446821)
EDITED for Shooty.












Fighter pilots on steroids!
   27. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: January 26, 2010 at 06:51 PM (#3446822)
The payroll for the A's in 2010 projects roughly to $45,000,000 before the A's signed Sheets. This might be a signing that shows that the A's are spending money and should not be a target of MLBPA for not spending money.

They've been trying to spend money all winter!
   28. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: January 26, 2010 at 06:52 PM (#3446825)
The Mets sign Sheet for that money, they're a 100+ post mockery.

I'll just pull a chair up here and wait.


Don't hijack our thread!
   29. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: January 26, 2010 at 06:53 PM (#3446827)
Yeah, Carlos Gonzalez might put it all together at some point, but Holliday is a really special player in the prime of his career.

Wait, what year is it again?


It's the year the Angels replaced John Lackey with Joel Pineiro, for one thing. Time will also tell whether Kendry Morales has another season with 79 extra-base hits.
   30. Tripon Posted: January 26, 2010 at 06:54 PM (#3446829)


There's an expiration date on that. May 1st maybe? I don't know exactly. But no, the Brewers get nothing.


The expiration date is when the draft actually happens.
   31. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 26, 2010 at 06:55 PM (#3446832)
The Mets sign Sheets for that money, they're a 100+ post mockery.

I'll just pull up a chair here and wait.


For the record, I think this is an overpay, but apparently Oakland has ample room in their budget.

If the Mets did this and addressed their other needs (1B, C, reliable SP) I think it would have been fine. If they did it instead of those things, it would have been a poor allocation of resources.
   32. Tripon Posted: January 26, 2010 at 06:59 PM (#3446841)


John Perroto of Baseball Prospectus shares some insight on the Sheets signing:

Athletics signing of Ben Sheets was, in some part, to ward of the MLBPA questioning their use of revenue-sharing money, a la the #Marlins.



So basically the informal salary floor that the MLBPA set up is already having teams pay more for veterans.
   33. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:02 PM (#3446845)
Snapps, now you're talking about the Mets in an A's thread. Freeballin' will be very upset with you.
   34. , Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:06 PM (#3446850)
I'll just pull a chair up here and wait.


Everybody DUCK!
   35. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:06 PM (#3446851)
good luck to Ben.

If history serves as a good Ben will start out slowly, have a good May/June and then break down at some point in late July/early August. Come back for a few games and then be on the shelf.

He's also a six inning pitcher at this point. Can the A's bullpen carry that load?
   36. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:06 PM (#3446852)
Snapps, now you're talking about the Mets in an A's thread. Freeballin' will be very upset with you.

Yeah, I'm afraid he's starting to go stalker on me. I'm glad I don't use my name as my handle.

BTW, we should get together for a beer sometime. Shooty too.
   37. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:09 PM (#3446856)
BTW, we should get together for a beer sometime. Shooty too.

Sho 'nuff. I'll be Ecuador until Feb 8th, though. We can have a beer after. I'll bring slides of my trip and my extra-droning narrator tone of voice!
   38. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:11 PM (#3446862)
Sho 'nuff. I'll be Ecuador until Feb 8th, though. We can have a beer after. I'll bring slides of my trip and my extra-droning narrator tone of voice!

Sounds good (not the slides).
   39. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:13 PM (#3446864)
Sounds good (not the slides).

You don't want to learn about orchids and native weaving techniques?
   40. McCoy Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:13 PM (#3446865)
No love for Nady?

I'm thinking this was a good signing for Hendry. He has his platoon partner for Fukudome plus insurance in case Soriano goes down or Byrd tanks. This move is probably the first time I think I have ever seen Hendry have a reasonable back up plan in case something doesn't go right.
   41. Ron Johnson Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:14 PM (#3446867)
#35 Harveys, not a bad memory. Career ERA of 3.98 in March/April, 3.29 in May, 3.38 in June, 3.87 in July, 4.42 in August and 3.46 the rest of the way.

Actual DL time seems to be random. IP by month is fairly steady.
   42. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:15 PM (#3446870)
I'm not sure I get the snark here. They shouldn't try to win what's considered a weak division?


The eternal optimism of the A's fan amuses me. It's OK if it doesn't amuse anyone else.
   43. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:17 PM (#3446872)
Ron:

I have watched young man's entire career. I should have noticed a thing or two....
   44. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:19 PM (#3446873)
You don't want to learn about orchids and native weaving techniques?


You have a voice that won't Quito.

I'm down. See youse guys in February.
   45. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:20 PM (#3446877)
The eternal optimism of the A's fan amuses me. It's OK if it doesn't amuse anyone else.

Yeah, A's fans have such a tortured history. It's surprising we can get up in the mornings.

Speaking of the A's...I've decided my 3 favorite A's of all time are Dwayne Murphy, Rickey! and Mark Ellis. And it's not even close. Those 3 tower above any other A's for me. Is this some kind of rohrschach test, you think?
   46. Danny Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:22 PM (#3446880)
He's also a six inning pitcher at this point. Can the A's bullpen carry that load?

The bullpen should be the strongest part of the team. And I can't imagine Sheets throwing fewer innings per start than Gio or whoever he's replacing.

The eternal optimism of the A's fan amuses me.

Your need to tout Carlos Gonzalez as a superstar in unrelated A's threads is pretty amusing.
   47. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:23 PM (#3446882)
Nady is arguably the third best hitter on the Cubs now.
   48. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:24 PM (#3446883)
My favorite Pilots are Jim Bouton and two guys named Tommy.
   49. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:24 PM (#3446886)
Dwayne Murphy was a fantastic cf. He's forgotten now but he could get'em with anyone
   50. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:27 PM (#3446889)
Dwayne Murphy was a fantastic cf. He's forgotten now but he could get'em with anyone

I'll never forget!
   51. RTSquared is not on the Rangers' DL...yet... Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:30 PM (#3446893)
I'd love to see projected standings for the AL West at this point. I don't know that any predicted order of finish would shock me.
   52. A triple short of the cycle Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:31 PM (#3446895)
Does this mean the A's aren't signing Damon as fourth outfielder? With his noodle arm he would have been a perfect short fielder.
   53. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:31 PM (#3446896)
http://digamma.net/btfwiki/Dwayne_murphy
   54. Lassus Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:32 PM (#3446898)
Shooty - dropped you an email, give a look when you get a chance.
   55. Jose Canusee Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:33 PM (#3446901)
Murf in cf playing shallow is what McLouth wishes he could play. That might have been a side-effect of the PED era, having to play everyone with respect for their power rather than challenge the hitter and take away a couple of bloops for every time you get burned for an XBH that a deep OF would have caught.

Still would rather have had a return of Harden than Sheets but maybe Beane doesn't like him.
   56. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:34 PM (#3446902)
Your need to tout Carlos Gonzalez as a superstar in unrelated A's threads is pretty amusing.


You have a sense of humor?
   57. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:35 PM (#3446904)
I am hearing $5 million for Nady. This seems excessive if Orlando Hudson signs elsewhere for comparable money.
   58. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:37 PM (#3446906)
I am hearing $5 million for Nady. This seems excessive if Orlando Hudson signs elsewhere for comparable money.

This market seems pretty irrational.

Plenty of bargains, and plenty of WTF?!?! headscratchers.
   59. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:38 PM (#3446908)
Shooty - dropped you an email, give a look when you get a chance.

Just responded. The first ever primate meet up over mugs of mate de coca?
   60. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:39 PM (#3446911)
http://digamma.net/btfwiki/Dwayne_murphy

You're paying for the beers now, jackass.
   61. Bourbon Samurai, what price fettucine? Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:42 PM (#3446917)
Speaking of the A's...I've decided my 3 favorite A's of all time are Dwayne Murphy, Rickey! and Mark Ellis. And it's not even close. Those 3 tower above any other A's for me. Is this some kind of rohrschach test, you think?


Shooty, I think I'd have to go with McGwire (no abandoning your childhood favorite player), Tim Hudson, and then a tie between Dennis Eckersley and Carney Lansford's moustaches.

Mark Ellis has always been a favorite of mine way out of proportion with his actual abilities, at least partly because of the 9th inning home run in the '02 ALDS after Billy ####### Koch's meltdown. I can just see him being the hero.
   62. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:44 PM (#3446919)
   63. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:46 PM (#3446921)
Shooty, I think I'd have to go with McGwire (no abandoning your childhood favorite player), Tim Hudson, and then a tie between Dennis Eckersley and Carney Lansford's moustaches.

All of those guys would be in my second tier with Hendu and Mike Bordick and Rick Honeycutt and Terry Steinbach. And Rick Langford. Can't forget Rick Langford.
   64. The Suede-Denim Secret Police Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:51 PM (#3446927)
Shooty, I think I'd have to go with McGwire (no abandoning your childhood favorite player), Tim Hudson, and then a tie between Dennis Eckersley and Carney Lansford's moustaches.

No love for Dave Stewart? I guess this is inevitably affected by childhood memories, but for me Stew is the Oakland A's: squeaky voice, a penchant for transvestite hookers (albeit in his Dodger days), and just totally dominant on the mound during the A's late '80s run. I'd throw in Dave Henderson (because he was awesome, that's why) and Tim Hudson to round out the trifecta.

Happy about the Sheets signing. Yeah, it's probably an overpay but it makes us a better club, doesn't cost any prospects, and at one year it isn't going to hamstring us even if his arm goes boom in spring training.
   65. Spahn Insane Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:55 PM (#3446931)
You're paying for the beers now, jackass.

What--are you new here?
   66. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:56 PM (#3446933)
Yeah. Stew and Miggy were my omissions. And Scutaro, of course. Sorry Scooter!
   67. Spahn Insane Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:56 PM (#3446934)
That's a perfectly reasonable deal for Nady.
   68. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:56 PM (#3446936)
What--are you new here?

My love for Dwayne Murphy clouded my judgement.
   69. Rich Rifkin Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:58 PM (#3446937)
"I've decided my 3 favorite A's of all time are Dwayne Murphy, Rickey! and Mark Ellis."

As a lifelong A's fan -- born in Oakland 4 years before the A's came to town -- I share the Murphyophilia. His greatness was underappreciated by fans outside of Alameda County. He was a truly brilliant fielder (6 GG's) with mad style points and a much better hitter (career OPS+ 115) than most people realize. His health never was great after Dwayne turned 31, but otherwise he would have been an inner circle member of the Hall of Very Good.

Rickey was Rickey. The greatest Oakland Athletic ever.

My 3rd favorite is not Ellis, though I like him. Eck ranks very high, again on style points. But he's not top 3 for me. Campy had a ton of style points, also, as did Billy North. But still, not quite top 3. It's hard to not show love for Reggie Jackson, esp. if you saw him break his leg in the playoffs against Detroit. Huge props to Rollie Fingers and Dave Stewart and Jason Giambi. But still, all not top 3.

My No. 3 is Mike Epstein. How can you beat a man whose moniker was Superjew. He was a much better player than I think most people realize, as well. He had a career OPS+ of 129. Endless injuries limited, however, to only playing in 907 games. In 1972 in Oakland he was 4th in the AL in OPS+. In 1969, his OPS+ of 176 was 4th best as a Senator. He was super. He was Superjew.
   70. Spahn Insane Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:58 PM (#3446938)
My love for Dwayne Murphy clouded my judgement.

It's the same effect that lures many a lovelorn man into responding to "legitimate" craiglist personals.

Or so they tell me...
   71. JMM Posted: January 26, 2010 at 07:59 PM (#3446940)
No love for Dave Stewart? I guess this is inevitably affected by childhood memories, but for me Stew is the Oakland A's: squeaky voice, a penchant for transvestite hookers (albeit in his Dodger days),

I think that was his Ranger days. In his "defense," the feminine ideal in Texas is pretty much the same as those of drag queens.

And my 3: Rickey, Tim Hudson, and Terry Steinbach. But there's no real dearth of potential right answers; Langford's the closest of any name mentioned to far to provking a "really?" reaction, and even he doesn't come all that close to earning one -- he's no Ben Grieve.
   72. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: January 26, 2010 at 08:01 PM (#3446944)
I agree, retro, but the team's failure to address second base will be pretty angrifying if this money prevents them from using some decent/cheap solutions.
   73. Spahn Insane Posted: January 26, 2010 at 08:02 PM (#3446946)
I hold out hope that Fontenot/Baker won't be horrible, but I might be delusional.
   74. attaboy Posted: January 26, 2010 at 08:06 PM (#3446949)
I'd love to see projected standings for the AL West at this point. I don't know that any predicted order of finish would shock me.

If you don't know any order of finish that would shock you (and I agree, BTW), why do you want to see projections? You'll probably get 5 different projections from 7 different sources?
   75. Danny Posted: January 26, 2010 at 08:06 PM (#3446950)
My three favorite A's of my lifetime were Rickey, McGwire, and Eck. Everything was awesome when I was 10. I also loved Storm Davis, due to the badass name.
   76. The Suede-Denim Secret Police Posted: January 26, 2010 at 08:08 PM (#3446952)
I think that was his Ranger days. In his "defense," the feminine ideal in Texas is pretty much the same as those of drag queens.

Ah, yes. While the incident happened in LA, Stewart was indeed a Ranger at the time. Pretty good account here:

http://www.dodgerblues.com/content/features_moments.html#stewart
   77. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: January 26, 2010 at 08:10 PM (#3446954)
I also loved Storm Davis, due to the badass name.

I remember him as one of the least liked players in the league. What was up with that?
   78. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: January 26, 2010 at 08:12 PM (#3446958)
Does anybody remember that Topps card of Dwayne Murphy where he's throwing a ball in from the OF? Circa 1980.
Even as a kid, I remember being very impressed by how broad his chest looked in that shot.
He looked like he could throw a ball through a brick wall, if necessary.
   79. PreservedFish Posted: January 26, 2010 at 08:13 PM (#3446960)
Did anyone else have those plastic displays that you put baseball cards into? It was a poster-sized sheet of transparent pockets - you could fit 20 or 24 cards into them, and then hang it on your wall like a poster.

I had one of those full of Oakland A's, 1989 Donruss style. Thus I know that team better than I do any subsequent A's team.
   80. Spahn Insane Posted: January 26, 2010 at 08:14 PM (#3446962)
Does anybody remember that Topps card of Dwayne Murphy where he's throwing a ball in from the OF? Circa 1980.

I seem to remember one showing him making a shoestring catch with his hat off (apparently during warmups). Might've been '83.
   81. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: January 26, 2010 at 08:15 PM (#3446964)
No love for Miggy? The stretching between batters? The Tejada Drumbeat?

--...---....--.... Tejada!
--...---....--.... Tejada!
--...---....--.... Tejada!
--...---....--..- TEJADA!
   82. DL from MN Posted: January 26, 2010 at 08:16 PM (#3446966)
WTF?!?! headscratchers


Otherwise known as player's arbitration comparables.
   83. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: January 26, 2010 at 08:18 PM (#3446969)
I seem to remember one showing him making a shoestring catch with his hat off (apparently during warmups). Might've been '83.

His hat always came off because he wore it high on his head with a slight tilt. He was ahead of his time. He also played with his back to either left or right field depending on the pitcher/hitter match up which allowed him to play very shallow and get a head start on balls hit over his head. It's too bad they didn't track defense then the way they do now. I would love to know if that was more effective than the standard posture or not. I still have no idea how Murph came up with that or how he got the coaches to sign off on it or if some forgotten coach invented it and taught him the technique.
   84. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: January 26, 2010 at 08:24 PM (#3446975)
Maybe he picked it up from Luzinski? Except Murphy was really good.
If it worked a little for Bull, it'd work even more for Murphy.
   85. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: January 26, 2010 at 08:26 PM (#3446981)
Maybe he picked it up from Luzinski? Except Murphy was really good.
If it worked a little for Bull, it'd work even more for Murphy.


I wonder why no one uses that style in the outfield anymore?
   86. Rich Rifkin Posted: January 26, 2010 at 08:28 PM (#3446984)
My least favorite A's?

Let me stipulate first that I am not a hater. I've never seen a major league player who I thought was dogging it*. The guys I disliked were guys who were performing badly but put on airs suggesting they thought more highly of themselves than they should have.

No. 1 -- Jason Kendall. A total d*ck who sucked for the A's.
No. 2 -- Terence Long. A decent guy (not a Kendall), but a guy who was a lousy centerfielder, a mediocre hitter and yet loved him some T-Long.
No. 3 -- Ben Grieve. Ben does not meet my standard based on arrogance. He just sucked. I cringed when a ball was hit to left field. And I hoped he would strike out each time he came to the plate, that being so much better than him GIDP.

*I saw Barry Bonds many times not run hard on balls he hit to the outfield, but I don't think Barry was a dog. He was just smart. He knew how to conserve his energy and preserve his body. Others accused of not giving full effort in all likelihood have injuries we fans don't know about.
   87. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: January 26, 2010 at 08:34 PM (#3446988)
Least favorite?

Arthur Rhodes. Johnny Damon. Ruben Sierra. Eric Show should be on my list but he wasn't with the team very long and I didn't know much about his politics and such at the time.

Also, A's I have weirdly fond memories of for not much reason at all:

Shooty Babbit (of course), Moose Haas, Ray Burris and Gene Nelson. Tim Raines is my favorite of the "I'm glad he was on our side if only for a brief moment and he wasn't the guy we remembered but so what he looked good in the green and gold" category.
   88. WhoWantsTeixeiraDessert Posted: January 26, 2010 at 08:34 PM (#3446989)
I always liked Darold Knowles. I always had such hopes for the name Darold. But no pookah ever came along to have it make sense.
   89. Dock Ellis Posted: January 26, 2010 at 08:35 PM (#3446990)
Sometimes I wish I was a fan of another team other than the Phillies growing up. Mike Schmidt was great and all but after that was Von Hayes, Rick Schu, Steve Jeltz and pre-All-Star/pre-crazy Darren Daulton.

EDIT: Oh! and the decline of Lance Parrish.
   90. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 26, 2010 at 08:36 PM (#3446991)
That's a perfectly reasonable deal for Nady.

But is it cromulent?
   91. WhoWantsTeixeiraDessert Posted: January 26, 2010 at 08:38 PM (#3446994)
Yeah, but Mickey Klutts, Shooty. C'mon...
   92. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: January 26, 2010 at 08:39 PM (#3446996)
Yeah, but Mickey Klutts, Shooty. C'mon...

Even better...Wayne Gross! Who here but we psycho A's fans remember Wayne Gross?
   93. WhoWantsTeixeiraDessert Posted: January 26, 2010 at 08:48 PM (#3447011)
144 Wayne. That's a lot. Disgustingly so.
   94. SouthSideRyan Posted: January 26, 2010 at 08:50 PM (#3447014)
Nady is arguably the third best hitter on the Cubs now.


I'm not even sure he's the third best hitter in the OF
   95. RTSquared is not on the Rangers' DL...yet... Posted: January 26, 2010 at 08:52 PM (#3447015)
If you don't know any order of finish that would shock you (and I agree, BTW), why do you want to see projections? You'll probably get 5 different projections from 7 different sources?

Because more information is preferable to less, even without a crystal-clear verdict?

I'm a Ranger fan. I'd like to think that, in a vacuum, I'd have a pretty good feeling as to how much the Rangers have improved over the offseason. It seems readily apparent that the Angels have lost quite a bit, and it's apparent that the A's (with Sheets) and especially the Mariners have improved.

Besides, if there were 7 different sources, you could average the W-L records out and come up with some sort of consensus. I'm at a loss to guess what that consensus might be.
   96. A triple short of the cycle Posted: January 26, 2010 at 08:52 PM (#3447016)
I moved to the Bay Area in the fall of 1992, so 1993 was my first baseball season here. Great timing to catch Barry's first season here, and the great Giants-Braves pennant race in the last season before realignment and the wild card. Terrible timing with respect to the A's, though, as they were embarking on their mid-90s malaise. That was the infamous team of softball players, and I swear everyone on the team had a freaking goatee. Restricting myself to 1993-present, for LEAST-favorite I'll go with: Ruben "Village Idiot" Sierra, first round draft pick Todd Van Poppel, and first-round draft pick Ariel Prieto. The latter two based on massive underperformance relative to expectations. Well that describes Sierra too but he had a highly questionable attitude to boot.
   97. Iwakuma Chameleon (jonathan) Posted: January 26, 2010 at 08:55 PM (#3447018)
I'm behind the rest of you. I was 13 when we won the division in 2000. So my favorites are in the Tejada/Hudson/Chavez/Ellis group.

Also Geronimo Berroa and Matt Stairs from those putrid teams of my little-kid days.

Chavez is definitely my all-time favorite though. I'll go to my grave claiming he'd have been a Hall-of-Famer if he'd have never been derailed by injuries.
   98. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: January 26, 2010 at 09:06 PM (#3447029)
Ben Grieve. Ben does not meet my standard based on arrogance. He just sucked. I cringed when a ball was hit to left field. And I hoped he would strike out each time he came to the plate, that being so much better than him GIDP.
I seem to recall Grieve being in some controversy later in his career, when he was with the Devil Rays. He struck out looking in the 9th to end a game and--when his manager started criticizing him--he said "We're in last place, what does it matter?" or words to that effect.

Did that really happen, or did I make it up?

If so, I'd say he was probably "dogging it" by that point.
   99. Bourbon Samurai, what price fettucine? Posted: January 26, 2010 at 09:07 PM (#3447030)
Honestly, I loved Jason Kendall. From tagging people out with his face to his weak little ground-outs that caused me to claim in anger that I had slept with his wife, a huge fave of mine.

Marco Scutaro would have to be up there as well.

My least favorites would have to be Kenny Rogers, Andy Hawkins, Billy Koch, and Terrence Long. Terrence Long drove me ####### nuts.
   100. Bourbon Samurai, what price fettucine? Posted: January 26, 2010 at 09:08 PM (#3447032)
Also have to mention Lance Blankenship. What a name! Couldn't do anything but walk!
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