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Cy Young, Babe Ruth, Ted Williams … and Yasiel Puig « Dodger Insider

“I think Puig is definitely in this family of nearly mythical characters.” ~ John Thorn

Jim Furtado Posted: June 02, 2014 at 02:59 PM | 9 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: babe ruth, cy young, history, ted williams, yasiel puig

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   1. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: June 02, 2014 at 03:51 PM (#4717550)
which is too bad, as it basically polarizes any discussion about Puig. Though the lazy format of zero sum sports talk debate has done that with just about any topic.
   2. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 02, 2014 at 04:13 PM (#4717585)
Wow, even the family of mythical characters has apparently disowned ARod.
   3. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: June 02, 2014 at 04:51 PM (#4717627)
Wow, even the family of mythical characters has apparently disowned ARod.
And he had that whole Centaur thing going for him, too. </obligatory>
   4. cardsfanboy Posted: June 02, 2014 at 05:09 PM (#4717643)
Not a bad article. It's not about how great he compares to these greats, but how little understanding or criticized they all were by the "rules" of the game.
   5. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: June 02, 2014 at 05:21 PM (#4717653)
Very nice article.
   6. Jack of Hearts Posted: June 02, 2014 at 06:05 PM (#4717678)
Neyer compares Puig to Vladimir Guerrero. To me, the young Roberto Clemente is an even better comparison. In his first few years, Clemente was labeled a hot dog by, among others, Stan Musial and Jim Brosnan. He had a great arm that he couldn't fully control; in his second season he had 8 assists and 19 errors. He was notorious for running through coaches' signs. For years, even after he had harnessed his skills, many people accused him of not being a team player.

Puig seems to have already surpassed Clemente as a hitter. It will be interesting to see if he matches defensively. Clemente put in a lot of extra time working on his defense. As for base running, Clemente went from being reckless to extremely aggressive. He took more extra bases than most but also ran into more outs. Puig will probably follow a similar pattern.
   7. cardsfanboy Posted: June 02, 2014 at 06:23 PM (#4717690)
Neyer compares Puig to Vladimir Guerrero. To me, the young Roberto Clemente is an even better comparison. In his first few years, Clemente was labeled a hot dog by, among others, Stan Musial and Jim Brosnan. He had a great arm that he couldn't fully control; in his second season he had 8 assists and 19 errors. He was notorious for running through coaches' signs. For years, even after he had harnessed his skills, many people accused him of not being a team player.


And here I was going to go with Griffey Jr. to avoid the cliche, Clemente was no where close to the same quality as Puig is right now at their respective ages. Griffey was also criticized for his attitude.

Comparable numbers at the same age (Griffey 22-23 years)
Griffey .309/.386/.576/.962/161
Puig .329/.407/.563/.970/171 (so far)


   8. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: June 02, 2014 at 07:38 PM (#4717727)
Griffey was also criticized for his attitude.


Wasn't there some silly issue about the way he wore his hat? Of course it all came down to him disrespecting the game because he wore his hat backwards or something whilst shagging balls.

I don't get the criticism of certain players. Puig is fun to watch. Stanton, Trout, Fernandez..these guys are young and just entertaining on the diamond. Then again if we wait another 4 days or so, the press in Cincy will blame Joey Votto for whatever woe the Reds will encounter this year.
   9. cardsfanboy Posted: June 02, 2014 at 08:06 PM (#4717738)
Wasn't there some silly issue about the way he wore his hat? Of course it all came down to him disrespecting the game because he wore his hat backwards or something whilst shagging balls.


Yes, he would wear his hat to batting practice(not games...we are talking about practice) backwards and traditionalist/old farts got on him for being a hotshot disrespecting the game. The criticism on a young Griffey was probably greater than on a young Puig or Harper. At least on a percentage basis.

I don't get the criticism of certain players. Puig is fun to watch. Stanton, Trout, Fernandez..these guys are young and just entertaining on the diamond. Then again if we wait another 4 days or so, the press in Cincy will blame Joey Votto for whatever woe the Reds will encounter this year.


I was reading Jack Clark's wikipedia today, and there was a controversy that he started with his mouth(I know shocker) in regards to Tony Gwynn...basically he pulled the same crap on Gwynn(while Clark was a player) that the Reds media pull on Votto.


In 1990, he feuded with All-Star teammate Tony Gwynn, who was widely respected by his peers and known as one of the most dedicated players in baseball.[7][8][9] Clark called him selfish and stated that Gwynn should be swinging with runners in scoring position instead of bunting and protecting his batting average. "No one bothers Tony Gwynn because he wins batting titles, but the Padres finish fourth or fifth every year," he said.

(which of course shows a Joe Morgan like ignorance of his own value. After all Clark was generally a clean up hitter and never had more than 106 rbi in a season while leading the league in walks three times.)

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