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Tuesday, December 10, 2013

D-Backs To Acquire Trumbo In Three-Team Trade With Angels, White Sox

The heavily rumored three-team trade between the Angels, Diamondbacks and White Sox has been completed, a source tells Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic. Mark Trumbo and a pair of players to be named later will head to the Diamondbacks, Adam Eaton will join the White Sox and Hector Santiago and Tyler Skaggs are headed to the Angels

madvillain Posted: December 10, 2013 at 04:07 PM | 60 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Elvis Posted: December 10, 2013 at 04:44 PM (#4615384)
Hopefully the Angels will give Skaggs a chance to pitch regularly in the majors.
   2. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 10, 2013 at 04:45 PM (#4615386)
Angels prospect AJ Schugel headed to Arizona. Other minor leaguers involved, not yet named.

ZIPS has Eaton at 1.5 WAR in Chicago. Skaggs at 1.9 WAR (3.81 ERA in 158 innings). Trumbo at 2 WAR (.269/.320/.514 35 HR). Santiago at a 3.82 ERA in LAA.

Really nice work by the Angels.
   3. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: December 10, 2013 at 04:53 PM (#4615395)
Didn't Arizona try this* two years ago with Jason Kubel?

* - "This," being acquire a corner OF with power, no matter how he fit on the roster.
   4. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: December 10, 2013 at 04:53 PM (#4615396)
Angels got somebody to bite. Good for them. Sell high.

Edit: And baseball should be like SAG, Eaton should have to pick up an initial or something.
   5. PreservedFish Posted: December 10, 2013 at 04:57 PM (#4615400)
Where will Trumbo be playing? Does he displace Davidson at third, or do they hope for the best with him in the outfield?
   6. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: December 10, 2013 at 04:58 PM (#4615401)
Supposedly Trumbo is an OF now
   7. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: December 10, 2013 at 04:58 PM (#4615402)
Word around Phoenix is, Trumbo will play LF.
   8. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 10, 2013 at 04:59 PM (#4615403)
Didn't Arizona try this* two years ago with Jason Kubel?



I thought they got rid of Mark Reynolds because all he did was hit home runs and strike out with terrible defense. So now they have a guy that hits home runs and strikes out with terrible defense. At least Reynolds got on base.
   9. madvillain Posted: December 10, 2013 at 05:02 PM (#4615408)
Santiago at a 3.82 ERA in LAA.


Santiago seems like a guy, at least from my perspective as a White Sox fan, that is either going to make it big as a quality 3rd starter or forever be doomed to middle relief. He has good stuff, but struggles with command of both his pitches and his demeanor. I think he'll be in the bullpen in 2015 but we'll see. Him and Eaton are both interesting players.
   10. if nature called, ladodger34 would listen Posted: December 10, 2013 at 05:04 PM (#4615409)
DiPoto must really like Skaggs. He picked him up for AZ in the Haren trade and got him back to the Angels in this trade.
   11. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: December 10, 2013 at 05:04 PM (#4615411)
At least Reynolds got on base.
And stole bases!
   12. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: December 10, 2013 at 05:11 PM (#4615416)
I don't care - selfishly, I like getting him out of the AL. He's a Yankee-killer.
   13. Davo Dozier Posted: December 10, 2013 at 05:12 PM (#4615418)
In our Fantasy League draft 8 months ago, Adam Eaton was the 137th player selected, right between Jon Lester and Hunter Pence.

What the #### happened to him?
   14. Textbook Editor Posted: December 10, 2013 at 05:47 PM (#4615448)
Wait, this isn't Adam Eaton who pitched for the Phillies? Huh. Well, then, perhaps this is a better trade than I thought...
   15. valuearbitrageur Posted: December 10, 2013 at 05:55 PM (#4615455)
Towers should never ever be allowed to make another trade ever.

Or sign a free agent.

Or conduct a draft.
   16. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: December 10, 2013 at 05:57 PM (#4615457)
My first thought, seeing the Angels move Trumbo, was "Good trade. Who'd we get?" After finding out who they got back... "Good trade. Very nice."
   17. zonk Posted: December 10, 2013 at 05:59 PM (#4615460)
I truly do not understand this deal from the AZ perspective. Trumbo's best position is either well covered (1B) or doesn't exist (DH) and he's not all that great a hitter anyway. For the second consecutive season, they trade a guy universally hailed as one of the top 50 prospects in baseball for what seems like an awfully limited return.

Every offseason watching the snakes, it feels like they turn the organization over to OOTP AI control.
   18. valuearbitrageur Posted: December 10, 2013 at 06:01 PM (#4615462)
DiPoto must really like Skaggs. He picked him up for AZ in the Haren trade and got him back to the Angels in this trade..


In the launching pad that is AAA Reno ages 20-21, Skaggs 8.7 K/9, 3.2 BB/9, 0.5 HR/9 in 156 IP. His AAA ERA was 4.02, team ERA those two years was roughly just under 5.00, league ERA averaged about 4.60.

In 13 MLB starts over 68 IP, 5.43 ERA, 8.4 K/9, 3.7 BB/9, 1.7 HR/9.

Edit: BABIP was .264 in 2012 and .284 in 2013, which is weird given his AAA BABIP was .306 & .356.

Steamer & Oliver project him at 4.07 & 4.27 ERAs for 2014. Methinks if he gives the Angels 24 starts with a 4.2 ERA, the Angels will be very happy.
   19. Davo Dozier Posted: December 10, 2013 at 06:09 PM (#4615468)
+17--not just in the off-season. Ian Kennedy for a LOOGY was just last trading deadline!
   20. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: December 10, 2013 at 06:09 PM (#4615470)
Every offseason watching the snakes, it feels like they turn the organization over to OOTP AI control.
That because you've forgotten about TEH GRIT.
   21. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: December 10, 2013 at 06:11 PM (#4615472)
+17--not just in the off-season. Ian Kennedy for a LOOGY was just last trading deadline!
That was a case of Gibby, I'm fairly certain, telling the FO he wanted Kennedy off off OFF the roster. NOW. Never seen a manager's mound visits that dripped so much contempt.
   22. BDC Posted: December 10, 2013 at 06:14 PM (#4615476)
Wait, this isn't Adam Eaton who pitched for the Phillies?

Evidently not. I dunno, if I were this Adam Eaton the first thing I'd have done on getting to pro ball was change my name. It's like being named Ducky "Lead Legs" Cronin or something.
   23. zonk Posted: December 10, 2013 at 06:18 PM (#4615479)
I think the original Adam Eaton did once attempt a comeback under the alias "Manny Runsgivsup"

   24. madvillain Posted: December 10, 2013 at 06:22 PM (#4615481)
What the #### happened to him?


tore the UCL in his elbow last year, returned but wasn't that great. Sox are buying low on him and selling (what they must think, and I agree) is high on Santiago.
   25. valuearbitrageur Posted: December 10, 2013 at 06:32 PM (#4615492)
It's unbelievable how much young talent Byrnes and DiPoto accumulated for the DBacks while they were here, esp. pitching.

Paul Goldsmidt, Chris Young, AJ Pollock, Adam Eaton (19th round), Matt Davidson, Chris Owings, Ian Kennedy, Ryan Cook, Jarrod Parker, Wade Miley, Daniel Hudson, Patrick Corbin, Tyler Skaggs, Josh Collmentor, Jordan Norberto, Bryan Shaw.

The pitching is key so the team has lots of replacements for the next arms Gibby will blow out, after he ended Kennedy/Hudson's careers.

Towers big draft move was drafting Trevor Bauer with the #3 pick, ends up being surprised the kid who was bullheaded when drafted was still bullheaded when brought up to the majors, so flipped him for a far lower rated prospect in Didi Gregorius, and now realizes that the Didi who could never hit in the minors also can't hit in the majors, and is trying to trade him.

I really think Towers is just making it up as he goes along.
   26. Eric P. Posted: December 10, 2013 at 06:50 PM (#4615510)
That seems a bit of an unfair characterization of Gregorius. Most teams would be pretty damn pleased with a 94 OPS+ from their 23 year old rookie SS.
   27. Dingbat_Charlie Posted: December 10, 2013 at 06:59 PM (#4615517)
Adm J. Eaton
   28. Tim D Posted: December 10, 2013 at 07:02 PM (#4615519)
Shocking to think that after dumping Upton, Bauer and Kennedy for cents on the dollar that the Backs need power hitting and a starting pitcher. As much as I loved Gibby as a player (football and baseball both) I am afraid his impact on the front office decision making process has been a disaster.
   29. eddieot Posted: December 10, 2013 at 07:08 PM (#4615522)
For a brief second I thought "OMG, Adam Eaton is still pitching???? Then I read the thread. Then I realized how old I am. Also, I am old.
   30. Mike Emeigh Posted: December 10, 2013 at 07:11 PM (#4615527)
Most teams would be pretty damn pleased with a 94 OPS+ from their 23 year old rookie SS.


who is pretty good defensively. But the D'backs also have Chris Owings, who is close to being ready and who offers more upside with the bat, so I get that Towers wants to move Gregorius.

-- MWE
   31. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: December 10, 2013 at 07:14 PM (#4615531)
I'm happy with this from a Sox fan's perspective. I wouldn't have minded seeing Avi Garcia roam CF to see if he could stick at that position, but I guess the Sox brass thought otherwise. The Sox now have an over-abundance of mediocre OF's (De Aza, Viciedo, Garcia, Eaton). Another trade has to be happening because Dayan, Garcia, & Eaton need to play everyday and De Aza's too pricey to keep on the bench.

Santiago's frustrating to watch. A lot like Edwin Jackson. He can give you 5 solid innings, but each half-inning might take 30 minutes with 2 or more walks. At this point I'm fine with a rotation of Sale - Quintana - Johnson - Danks - Floyd/Rienzo/FA.
   32. madvillain Posted: December 10, 2013 at 07:33 PM (#4615539)
Agree Mark, I think De Aza is gone, he has real value to a contender looking to go from say 85 to 87 expected wins, he's a classic 2 WAR player IMO, the definition of "decent starter", but he has more value to someone else than the Sox now that they have Eaton.

Personally I'm glad they didn't even think about Garcia in CF. He's a poor corner defender despite his tools and the last thing the Sox need to do is mess with the mind of one of their few promising young position players.
   33. Steve Sparks Flying Everywhere Posted: December 10, 2013 at 07:54 PM (#4615550)
Wait, when did Jack Zduriencik become GM of the Diamondbacks?
   34. A New Leaf (Black Hawk Reign of Terror) Posted: December 10, 2013 at 08:14 PM (#4615556)
I look forward to seeing Skaggs struggle inexplicably with the Angels, get traded again (presumably to JeDi's next team), and then succeed with a new pitching coach. Hopefully the eighteen hitting coaches the Angels have hired this offseason will be able to shepherd him to greatness.
   35. Mark S. is bored Posted: December 10, 2013 at 08:30 PM (#4615564)
From Keith Law's analysis(ESPN Insider required):

Still just 22 years old, Skaggs took a step back in 2013 as the Diamondbacks shortened his stride, resulting in a higher release point that cost him several miles per hour on his fastball and depth on his breaking ball. Lengthen him out so he finishes out over his front side again and he should be back to 90-94 mph again with the hammer he had as recently as 2012, when he projected as a potential No. 2 starter and was the best left-handed starter prospect in the game.
   36. Brian Posted: December 10, 2013 at 08:44 PM (#4615568)
Seems like the Diamondbacks do more screwing around with young players than most organizations. Is that a Gibson effect thing?
   37. Moeball Posted: December 10, 2013 at 08:59 PM (#4615577)
I really think Towers is just making it up as he goes along.


I often felt that way when he was in San Diego.

Sometimes he just falls in love with a certain player and nobody can talk him out of it.

He loved Ruben Rivera so much after Ruben went 7-for-9 in the '98 WS against the Yanks that Towers let Steve Finley walk (for which Arizona was quite grateful) and forced us Padres fans to watch Rivera constantly flail away at low-and-outside pitches for the next 3 seasons. Ugh, that was painful!

And as bad as Ruben's hitting was, his baserunning could be even worse (just ask Felipe Alou!).
Sometimes Ruben's head just didn't seem to be in the game. On more than one occasion I had the following conversation with my wife - here's the situation:

Runner on second, Ruben gets a rare hit that brings the runner around third and heading for home. There's a throw from the outfield directly to the plate, there's a play at the plate, the runner slides into the catcher, there's a cloud of dust...everyone looks at the umpire...safe! And I mean EVERYONE looks at the umpire, including Ruben, who's standing on first base.

Me: Why is Ruben standing on first base?
Wife: Because he hit a single!
Me: But why is he still standing on first base? Almost any runner would have advanced to second while all the commotion was happening on the play at the plate! I've seen a thousand runners advance on that kind of play, why the {bleep} is Ruben still on first?
Wife: Because he was so shocked that he actually got a hit in a key situation?

OK, I digress. Sorry, went into a time warp there. Back to KT.

Yeah, I have no idea what Towers is doing and I surmise that half the time, neither does he.



   38. Rough Carrigan Posted: December 10, 2013 at 09:06 PM (#4615582)
So, what you're saying, Moeball, is that you found your soulmate.
   39. A New Leaf (Black Hawk Reign of Terror) Posted: December 10, 2013 at 09:26 PM (#4615591)
If Keith Law is right, Carlos Gomez (ChadBradfordWannabe) can probably get Skaggs back to where he used to be when they were both in the DBag organization.
   40. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: December 10, 2013 at 09:44 PM (#4615602)
I was just going to ask if CBW was still in the Diamondback organization. So he moved with DiPoto .
   41. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: December 10, 2013 at 09:54 PM (#4615605)
I was just going to ask if CBW was still in the Diamondback organization. So he moved with DiPoto.


DiPoto was the guy most responsible for Carlos joining the Diamondbacks. I spoke to him on a story I did on CBW and he was very high on him.
   42. A New Leaf (Black Hawk Reign of Terror) Posted: December 10, 2013 at 09:57 PM (#4615607)
CBW is head of international scouting for the Angels. He did indeed follow JeDi over.
   43. madvillain Posted: December 10, 2013 at 10:00 PM (#4615610)
Eaton admitted he followed the rumors on Twitter and that's how he learned about the deal. Apparently he was also lurking on South Side Sox. Pretty cool and seems like a good addition to the club personality wise, we'll see if he can do a 280/350/400 line and play some decent defense, then he'll really feel the love from the fanbase.

edit: I see my predicted stat line is pretty much what ZIPS projects, who needs those fancy computers! Oliver is very bullish on Eaton, to the tune of 3.6 WAR. Hell, that might be the highest projected WAR of any current Sox position player.
   44. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 10, 2013 at 10:02 PM (#4615613)

CBW is head of international scouting for the Angels. He did indeed follow JeDi over.


Wow, that is awesome. Good for that guy.
   45. PreservedFish Posted: December 10, 2013 at 10:30 PM (#4615628)
I definitely remember that, a long long time ago, Kevin Towers had the reputation of being another guy that "got it." I'm not sure what "it" was, but I think it was the idea that OBP meant something, that minor league numbers meant something, and that veterans were overpaid. I also don't know what the evidence for that was. I wonder if he changed or if the world around him just changed.
   46. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: December 10, 2013 at 10:42 PM (#4615637)
CBW's move to the Angels even got some media play at the time.

45/PF: I remember that as well. Whatever the case, time hasn't been kind.
   47. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 10, 2013 at 10:57 PM (#4615651)
Kevin Towers had the reputation of being another guy that "got it."


He used to be with "it." Then what they changed what "it" was. And now what's "it" seems weird and scary to him. And it will happen to you!
   48. madvillain Posted: December 11, 2013 at 01:11 AM (#4615707)
   49. Chicago Joe Posted: December 11, 2013 at 02:07 AM (#4615721)
Edit: And baseball should be like SAG, Eaton should have to pick up an initial or something.


We do this, we'll have to blacklist Trumbo while we're at it.
   50. valuearbitrageur Posted: December 11, 2013 at 03:16 AM (#4615732)
Most teams would be pretty damn pleased with a 94 OPS+ from their 23 year old rookie SS.


He's a career minor league .273/.324/.381/.705 hitter who hit .235/.320/.327/.647 over 95 games after May 3rd (.216/.304/.304/.608 in 81 games after May 20).

It really looks like he crammed his all time career hot streak into his first 8 games (.433/.469/.867/1.335). He's never hit before or since, has never been particularly young for his levels, and isn't young now. A reasonable expectation for him is closer to a 84 OPS+ bat.

After living with the real Didi for the last 5 months of the season, Towers is apparently no longer pleased.
   51. valuearbitrageur Posted: December 11, 2013 at 03:24 AM (#4615734)
who is pretty good defensively. But the D'backs also have Chris Owings, who is close to being ready and who offers more upside with the bat, so I get that Towers wants to move Gregorius.


But he already had Owings before acquiring Didi, and had given up his CF to acquire Cliff Pennington a month earlier, who has a similar bat to Didi and a better glove. And Gregorious over performed expectations his first year based on any realistic forecast. What the heck is going on there, can't Towers plan farther ahead than lunch?
   52. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 11, 2013 at 06:07 AM (#4615742)
Oliver is very bullish on Eaton, to the tune of 3.6 WAR.


Per Brian, those WAR values are extrapolated by Fangraphs from the Oliver projections, rather than set by Oliver itself, and as such are kind of wonky.

That said, I think Eaton is still a pretty good pickup, particularly at this price.
   53. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: December 11, 2013 at 09:54 AM (#4615775)
Santiago seems like a guy, at least from my perspective as a White Sox fan, that is either going to make it big as a quality 3rd starter or forever be doomed to middle relief.


Is Santiago the guy who throws a screwball?
   54. Non-Youkilidian Geometry Posted: December 11, 2013 at 10:04 AM (#4615778)
#53: Yes.
   55. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: December 11, 2013 at 11:34 AM (#4615832)
We do this, we'll have to blacklist Trumbo while we're at it.
This should not go unrecognized.
   56. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: December 11, 2013 at 12:06 PM (#4615853)
This should not go unrecognized.

It would get a Primey but then it would have to be as Robert Rich
   57. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: December 11, 2013 at 12:38 PM (#4615879)
Which team got Jeff D'Amico in the deal?
   58. shoewizard Posted: December 11, 2013 at 07:26 PM (#4616303)
When I compare high ISO, low OBP, poor BB/K rates etc etc , the most similar offensive players I come up with are Tony Armas, Dave Kingman, Ron Kittle*, and Tony Batista.

*Emphasis for Voros. ;)

So between those 4 guys they have 4 post season appearances between them. 2 for Armas, one for Kingman, his rookie year in 71 when he was a late season callup, one for Kittle in 83 when the White Sox had all those starters having career years and Allen winning an MVP, and none for Batista.


Player         OPS+  ISO  OBP Rbaser Rfield  SO  BB   PA HR RBI   BA  SLG  OPS
Tony Armas      120 .210 .301      2     36 310  64 1425 68 219 .267 .477 .778
Dave Kingman    118 .252 .290     
-2    -10 413  99 1446 91 229 .232 .484 .774
Mark Trumbo     115 .222 .300     
-2      8 457 115 1837 95 282 .251 .473 .773
Ron Kittle      107 .242 .302     
-2    -16 379 119 1512 93 232 .234 .476 .778
Tony Batista    100 .232 .305     
-5     22 330 105 1859 97 301 .259 .491 .796 


Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 12/11/2013.

Age 28-30 for these same 4 comps


All numbers 3 year averages.

Armas 623 PA 1.3 WAR, .241/.278/.475 .753 OPS 102 OPS+ 36 Hr 106 RBI, 31 BB, 138 K

Kong 506 PA , 2.1 WAR, .260/.320/.538 .858 OPS, 127 OPS+ 34 HR 91 RBI, 37 BB, 128 K

Kittle 283 PA, 0.1 WAR, .242/.303/.478 .780 OPS 108 OPS+, 17 HR, 44 RBI, 20 BB 70 K

Batista 667 PA, 0.8 WAR, .240/.284/.435 .719 OPS, 86 OPS+ 30 HR, 99 RBI, 35 BB 96 K



   59. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: December 11, 2013 at 07:52 PM (#4616320)
one for Kittle in 83 when the White Sox had all those starters having career years and Allen winning an MVP


Allen who? Dick's was won 11 years earlier, when Ron was just a wee lad in Gary.

   60. shoewizard Posted: December 12, 2013 at 03:09 AM (#4616471)
Ha ha....that was indeed a brainfart. Had a senior strat-0-matic moment.

Here is an epic post

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