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Sunday, March 31, 2013

OTP: April 2013: Daily Caller: Baseball and the GOP: To rebrand the party, think like a sports fan

This week’s GOP autopsy report, commissioned by RNC Chairman Reince Priebus, is a great start in the much-needed task of rebranding the Republican Party. As the chairman acknowledged, “the way we communicate our principles isn’t resonating widely enough” and “we have to be more inclusive.” The report contains 219 recommendations to “connect people to our principles.” To achieve that goal, the party will need a strategic vision of how voters think about politics, which is something that the report lacks. For that, the GOP can learn a lot from another American passion: baseball.

This year, about 75 million Americans will go to the baseball stadium to watch a ballgame, about the same number as those who will vote in next year’s election. We rarely think about why someone becomes a baseball fan, or why they root for a certain team. Nor do we usually think about why someone chooses to vote for a certain political party. But it’s actually a very useful exercise.

When it comes to baseball, fan loyalty has almost nothing to do with the brain, and almost everything to do with the heart. In all of history, there’s never been a baseball fan who rooted for his team because it had the lowest ticket prices, or because it had the most taxpayer-friendly stadium deal, or because its players did the most community service. For the vast majority of Americans, rooting for a baseball team — not to mention, voting for a political party — isn’t really a rational choice; it’s more of a statement of personal identity — a statement telling the world, “This is who I am.” And for most people, defining “who I am” starts with family and community, before branching out into areas like race, age, gender, and class.

Family is pretty straightforward. If your mom and dad are Yankee fans, you’re almost certainly a Yankee fan. The same is true in politics. If your mom and dad are Republicans, you’re almost certainly a Republican.

Community is also pretty straightforward. If you grew up in, say, Philadelphia, chances are pretty great you’re a Phillies fan. Likewise, someone who grew up in Republican territory like, say, suburban Dallas or rural Indiana is much more likely to become a Republican than a nearly identical person from Seattle or Santa Fe.

Cities with more than one baseball team, like New York or Chicago, show revealing breakdowns by race and gender. The racial split in Chicago between Cubs fans on the North Side and White Sox fans on the South Side is well-documented. In New York, there’s an intriguing gender gap between Mets and Yankee fans, with women gravitating a lot more to the Yanks. While there’s a few theories out there trying to explain that, one obvious answer leaps out: Yankees heartthrob Derek Jeter.

In sports, as in politics, people’s convictions can’t be conveniently reduced to who their parents are or what they look like. But those things are an important foundation, upon which more rational sentiments come into being. Once you’re attached to your team on an emotional level — seeing them as a personal reflection of who you are and what you care about most — a rational exterior comes into being through phrases like “the Red Sox are the best team because they have the most heart” or “the Republicans are the best party because they know how to create jobs.”

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   3001. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: April 17, 2013 at 01:39 PM (#4416929)
A point which Paul Krugman has been making for the past 4 years, with virtually nobody but a few lonely liberals seeming to pay any attention, at least in Washington.

Well I think we can safely discount Krugman since he filed for bankruptcy last month.


I'm almost tempted to let that one just sit there in order to see how many libertarian mouthbreathers try to play Gotcha with it at some point down the road.

But just for the record. Krugman himself gave the proper response:

OK, I’m an evil person — and my scheming has paid off.

On Friday I started hearing from friends about a fake story making the rounds about my allegedly filing for personal bankruptcy; I even got asked about the story by a reporter from Russian television, who was very embarrassed when I told him it was fake. But I decided not to post anything about it; instead, I wanted to wait and see which right-wing media outlets would fall for the hoax. And Breitbart.com came through!


You can always count on Breitbart.
   3002. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: April 17, 2013 at 01:40 PM (#4416932)
Though it is in fact "another," it doesn't need to be called that for gramatical or reportorial accuracy.

Every reporter but one feels otherwise.
   3003. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: April 17, 2013 at 01:40 PM (#4416933)
John King said "dark skin" guy
   3004. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: April 17, 2013 at 01:45 PM (#4416939)
Every reporter but one feels otherwise.

Not that it matters (*), but maybe the Post had a different or better source than all the other papers.

(*) Since proper grammar doesn't need unanimity. The guy was a suspect. If a bunch of weasely papers didn't want to call him that for lefty PC -- or, hell, any -- reasons, it doesn't change that. The guy was a suspect.
   3005. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: April 17, 2013 at 01:46 PM (#4416941)
Was Mohamed Atta a 9/11 victim?
   3006. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: April 17, 2013 at 01:46 PM (#4416942)
John King said "dark skin" guy

No! I guess dinner is on me. My friend is from the UK and on the right side of the spectrum and always tells me how crazy America is to have "all these Muslims running around the country unchecked". I always say I'll take our homegrown right-wing nuts over the Muslims any day (edit: as far as who is more dangerous). He wins this round I guess.
   3007. spike Posted: April 17, 2013 at 01:48 PM (#4416946)
CNN reporting arrest(s) have been made.

Link

Link doesn't contain front page banner - Source: Boston suspect arrested


   3008. GregD Posted: April 17, 2013 at 01:49 PM (#4416947)
No! I guess dinner is on me. My friend is from the UK and on the right side of the spectrum and always tells me how crazy America is to have "all these Muslims running around the country unchecked". I always say I'll take our homegrown right-wing nuts over the Muslims any day (edit: as far as who is more dangerous). He wins this round I guess.
What if he is a homegrown dark skin guy? Who wins the bet then?
   3009. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: April 17, 2013 at 01:50 PM (#4416949)
That's a push. We carry that one over and the next tragedy is worth two dinners. It's like a Skins game with actual skin.
   3010. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: April 17, 2013 at 01:50 PM (#4416950)
If a bunch of weasely papers didn't want to call him that for lefty PC -- or, hell, any -- reasons, it doesn't change that.

The distinction has legal and ethical weight well beyond its lexiconic meaning, and that distinction protects law enforcement and media just as it does any individual being investigated.

And of course the "bunch of lefty PC weasely papers" you refer to could also be described as "quite literally every news agency in America other than the New York Post."

maybe the Post had a different or better source than all the other papers.

Maybe, but should anyone want to trumpet the superiority of the Post's exclusive sources, they should do so in a week when the Post isn't publishing sentences like "The official death toll was three, but a law-enforcement source told The Post it could be as high as 12."
   3011. spike Posted: April 17, 2013 at 01:51 PM (#4416953)
   3012. zonk Posted: April 17, 2013 at 01:51 PM (#4416954)
AP also reporting arrests "imminent" if not already made.
   3013. formerly dp Posted: April 17, 2013 at 01:52 PM (#4416956)
What if he is a homegrown dark skin guy? Who wins the bet then?
What if he's a white guy who just spends a lot of time in tanning beds?

Lots of exploitable technicalities in this bet.
   3014. JE (Jason) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 01:56 PM (#4416958)
Apparently, a Lord & Taylor store video was instrumental in ID-ing the suspect.
   3015. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: April 17, 2013 at 01:57 PM (#4416960)
The distinction has legal and ethical weight well beyond its lexiconic meaning, and that distinction protects law enforcement and media just as it does any individual being investigated.


And you know what? I'm absolutely confident that the Post knows this quite well, and ran with the word suspect because it made for more sensational reporting than "The police are questioning a Saudi."
   3016. zonk Posted: April 17, 2013 at 01:57 PM (#4416961)
Gimme a boxed parlay of swarthy Arab, spittle-flecked militia whack, and random loon...
   3017. spike Posted: April 17, 2013 at 01:59 PM (#4416966)
But just for the record. Krugman himself gave the proper response:

Awesome.
   3018. GregD Posted: April 17, 2013 at 01:59 PM (#4416968)
That's a push. We carry that one over and the next tragedy is worth two dinners. It's like a Skins game with actual skin.
I laughed out loud at this. I am a terrible person.
   3019. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:01 PM (#4416969)
The distinction has legal and ethical weight well beyond its lexiconic meaning, and that distinction protects law enforcement and media just as it does any individual being investigated.

Actually, I'm not sure it does. The Miranda standard has nothing to do with someone being a "suspect," but rather whether they're being "custodially interrogated." The terms "target" and "subject" have some meaning at DOJ and grand juries, but that isn't the word at issue here.

As to ethical, it's probably the better practice for cops not to say publicly who "suspects" are, but when they describe someone as one to a reporter, I see no ethical obligation on the public press not to report that. Assuming, of course, the source is believed to be a good one. The objective evidence plainly supports the description as "suspect."
   3020. McCoy Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:01 PM (#4416971)
Put me down for a 13 year old kid wearing his dad's shoes.
   3021. The Good Face Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:01 PM (#4416974)
That's a push. We carry that one over and the next tragedy is worth two dinners. It's like a Skins game with actual skin.

I laughed out loud at this. I am a terrible person.


Nah, that was geniunely funny.
   3022. zonk Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:03 PM (#4416975)
Multiple sources now saying arrest made -- the betting window will be closing presently, gentlemen...
   3023. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:05 PM (#4416983)
As to ethical, it's probably the better practice for cops not to say publicly who "suspects" are, but when they describe someone as one to a reporter, I see no ethical obligation on the public press not to report that. Assuming, of course, the source is believed to be a good one.

When it's not a direct quote, the wording choice is the newspaper's. A Columbia review of Richard Jewell's coverage by the media includes an account of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution deciding whether to initially call Jewell a suspect, a focus or a target. Their source was not part of that discussion.
   3024. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:06 PM (#4416984)
Anyone got odds on "New Black Panthers"?
   3025. zonk Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:10 PM (#4416987)
Fox and CNN say arrest made.

NBC and CBS categorically say NO arrest yet made.

ABC says arrest imminent.

The betting window on news organization accuracy is now open...

EDIT: And AP sides with Fox and CNN -- arrest made.
   3026. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:10 PM (#4416988)
I'm putting my money on the Union Cycliste Internationale, they've always had it out for runners. Revenge will be taken during the Giro!
   3027. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:10 PM (#4416989)
Going to go with NBC and CBS and ABC on this one.

eta: AP is also saying an arrest has been made.
   3028. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:13 PM (#4416992)
DEVELOPING: CBS' Bob Orr: sources say bomber was on phone when he dropped second backpack. Cell records led to ID.


Well, that's amateur hour. He shouldn't even have had a cell phone on him!

eta: I'm not sure if that's a coke to zonk or not.
   3029. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:13 PM (#4416993)
I was just going to say, my bet is on a menacing black guy.
   3030. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:15 PM (#4416995)
DEVELOPING: CBS' Bob Orr: sources say bomber was on phone when he dropped second backpack. Cell records led to ID.


That's just awesome.
   3031. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:16 PM (#4416996)
Washington (CNN) -- "To see a wrong and not expose it, is to become a silent partner to its continuance."

So read the letters that touched off a poison scare across Washington, after the contents of the envelopes discovered at off-site White House and Senate mailrooms showed preliminary positive results for ricin, a law enforcement source said Wednesday. The letters were signed, "I am KC and I approve this message," the source said.

Discovered Tuesday, the letters were addressed to President Barack Obama and to Sen. Roger Wicker, R-Mississippi. Since initial tests can be "inconsistent," the envelopes have been sent off for additional tests, an FBI statement said. Those results were expected later Wednesday, an FBI official told CNN.
   3032. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:17 PM (#4416998)
The letters were signed, "I am KC and I approve this message," the source said.

Kelly Clarkson!
   3033. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:18 PM (#4417000)
WBUR (one of Boston's 2 NPR stations) reports that an arrest has been made.
   3034. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:19 PM (#4417002)
WBUR (one of Boston's 2 NPR stations) reports that an arrest has been made.


Typical east coast liberal media bias. The Post is correctly reporting that the guy went down in a blaze of gunfire. Of course he was playing Halo at the time of the arrest, so technically they are correct.
   3035. JE (Jason) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:25 PM (#4417007)
Hehehe.

BREAKING: New York Post announces 12 arrests in Boston bombing #BostonMarathon
   3036. The Yankee Clapper Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:25 PM (#4417008)
An arrest within 48 hours of the bombings? Pretty good work by the law enforcement folks.
   3037. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:25 PM (#4417009)
Now CNN walking back arrest story.

And 4chan may have cracked the case.

We live in an odd world.
   3038. JE (Jason) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:26 PM (#4417010)
The letters were signed, "I am KC and I approve this message," the source said.
Kelly Clarkson!

Really? I had assumed it was Dayton Moore.
   3039. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:28 PM (#4417014)
Kelly Clarkson was framed, it's Kenny Chesney!
   3040. GregD Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:29 PM (#4417016)
Kelly Clarkson was framed, it's Kenny Chesney!
It is not easy to one up Brad Paisley, my friend
   3041. zonk Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:29 PM (#4417017)
Is the Sunshine Band being sought for questioning?
   3042. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:29 PM (#4417018)

CBS' Bob Orr: sources say bomber was on phone when he dropped second backpack. Cell records led to ID.

If true, you have to wonder who he was on the phone with...
   3043. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:29 PM (#4417019)
Kerry Collins. Too many concussions.
   3044. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:29 PM (#4417020)
   3045. Lassus Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:30 PM (#4417021)
And 4chan may have cracked the case.

Of all the things that would surprise me, this does not.
   3046. Tom Nawrocki Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:31 PM (#4417022)
If true, you have to wonder who he was on the phone with...


He was probably telling someone, "Turn on the TV right now! Do you see me? I'm waving at you!"
   3047. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:31 PM (#4417023)
If true, you have to wonder who he was on the phone with...


I'm sure that person is being questioned a suspect.
   3048. zonk Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:32 PM (#4417025)
If true, you have to wonder who he was on the phone with...



He was probably telling someone, "Turn on the TV right now! Do you see me? I'm waving at you!"


Williams-Sonoma regarding merchandise return policy?
   3049. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:34 PM (#4417028)
CNN is run by a bunch of slapdicks.
   3050. zonk Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:34 PM (#4417029)
There's now a live feed airing of the Boston courthouse -- in anticipation of the reporting that a suspect has been arrested and is being taken to the courthouse.
   3051. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:34 PM (#4417031)

An arrest within 48 hours of the bombings? Pretty good work by the law enforcement folks.


Seriously. I wouldn't think it would be hard to walk into a crowd and discreetly drop off a backpack or duffel bag on a day when thousands of people are carrying bags around, but apparently I am wrong. And that is both amazing (in a crime fighting way) and terrifying (in a big brother way).
   3052. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:34 PM (#4417032)
Boston PD is saying no arrest.
   3053. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:35 PM (#4417033)
Kelly Clarkson!
Kelly Clarkson was framed, it's Kenny Chesney!
Is the Sunshine Band being sought for questioning?
Kerry Collins. Too many concussions.
Kim Cattrall


The case broke wide open when police obtained surveillance video of Katie Couric's colon.
   3054. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:36 PM (#4417034)
An arrest within 48 hours of the bombings? Pretty good work by the law enforcement folks.

Only if they got the right guy...
   3055. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:38 PM (#4417036)
US Attorney's office saying no arrest, too.
   3056. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:38 PM (#4417037)
CNN's reporting, in GIF form.

(H/T: Will Brinson.)
   3057. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:41 PM (#4417040)
CNN biffed this, but so did a bunch of other news orgs. AP and Boston Globe among them.
   3058. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:43 PM (#4417046)
Well, at least we have a suspect!
   3059. Lassus Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:44 PM (#4417048)
After all the crap the POST (rightly) took, you'd have thought someone somewhere would learn something. Apparently not.
   3060. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:45 PM (#4417049)
CNN biffed this, but so did a bunch of other news orgs. AP and Boston Globe among them.

So the same Goliaths of the profession that sneered at calling a suspect a "suspect" can't figure out when someone's really been arrested?
   3061. GregD Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:47 PM (#4417050)
I've been checking the Times throughout, and I don't think they ever posted the arrest story.

Ed to add: It is also possible that the govt is holding back on the arrest announcement because they're tracking a co-conspirator and want to watch him as long as they can. But who knows?
   3062. bunyon Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:48 PM (#4417051)
Gold Star, you made my day.
   3063. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:49 PM (#4417052)
That GIF is..wow...
   3064. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:49 PM (#4417055)
There's always somebody in the media trying to win a gold medal in the 100-yard dash by taking off their shoe and throwing it ahead of the other runners.
   3065. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:51 PM (#4417057)
Boston Globe still has a source saying that a suspect is in custody.
   3066. tfbg9 Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:51 PM (#4417058)
If true, you have to wonder who he was on the phone with...


The cell phone-activated detonator device that caused bomb #2 to explode?
   3067. Jay Z Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:58 PM (#4417063)
What you describe is a feature, not a bug. The purpose of the American government is to protect the interests of American citizens, not citizens of Pakistan or Iraq or Canada or anywhere else.


I find your conceptualizations quaint.

You are thinking in terms of a "we" that no longer exists. The economy alternates between recessions, where employees lose income and security, and recoveries, where employees lose income and security at a reduced rate. I'm not sure whether profits increase more during recessions or recoveries, take your pick. The elite doesn't suffer a scratch or shed a drop of blood in any of our military adventurism. "We" is quaint and outmoded.
   3068. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: April 17, 2013 at 02:58 PM (#4417065)
FBI now telling the media to siddown and shuddup.
   3069. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:05 PM (#4417068)
   3070. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:08 PM (#4417069)
Federal court being evacuated.
   3071. zonk Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:08 PM (#4417070)
Twitter update


Schrödinger's Suspect -- I like that...
   3072. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:09 PM (#4417074)
Brigham and Women's hospital, too.

eta: Unrelated to the court building clearout, someone locked their car with gas cans in the back.

The Brigham & Women's incident is apparently unrelated; a driver who locked his keys inside the car was helped by a valet parking attendant noticed there were gas cans inside the car and alerted security
   3073. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:10 PM (#4417075)
Now things are getting weird.
   3074. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:12 PM (#4417076)
And in a well-timed move by Chuck Hagel, considering the distractions going on with Boston, the Pentagon announces 200 US troops are being deployed to Jordan.
   3075. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:17 PM (#4417078)
And in a well-timed move by Chuck Hagel, considering the distractions going on with Boston, the Pentagon announces 200 US troops are being deployed to Jordan.

That's an absurd number to send.

200 is enough to be a provocation, and a target, but not enough to achieve any possible objective.
   3076. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:19 PM (#4417083)
My thoughts exactly on the target aspect.
   3077. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:19 PM (#4417084)
Bomb threat at the courthouse, maybe?
   3078. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:22 PM (#4417086)
My thoughts exactly on the target aspect.

Are they looking for an incident to rally support for intervention?
   3079. Ray (RDP) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:23 PM (#4417087)
The guy was obviously a "suspect" (*) and it's simply comical that it's being denied. More comical is the impulse that leads people to wish to deny it so fervently.


I think this impulse is kind of sad, actually.
   3080. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:23 PM (#4417088)
The 1st Armored Division troops are largely planners and will replace a similar number of U.S. forces that have been in Jordan for some months. They will include specialists in intelligence, logistics and operations.


From this article. Seems like a fairly standard rotation?
   3081. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:26 PM (#4417092)
The 1st Armored Division troops are largely planners and will replace a similar number of U.S. forces that have been in Jordan for some months. They will include specialists in intelligence, logistics and operations.


From this article. Seems like a fairly standard rotation?

I'm unclear as to why an HQ unit would need to be in Jordan when they have no troops under them. Couldn't they do their planning from somewhere else?

Unless the intent is to command Jordanian troops?
   3082. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:27 PM (#4417093)
I'm guessing it's to liase with the Jordanians. It sounds like ~200 soldiers were already there doing the job these guys will be doing.

eta: Also, it's not uncommon for the US to have relatively small units in allied countries, a quick wikicheck shows 131 in the Philippines, 278 in Saudi Arabia, and 361 in Greece.
   3083. Mayor Blomberg Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:30 PM (#4417096)
Looks like the suspect is either "dark" or found by 4chan, but I don't see how he can be both; I mean, Schroedinger's suspect sounds rather pale with a given name like that.
   3084. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:31 PM (#4417097)
Heh, from FBI Spokesperson Paul Breeson:
Contrary to widespread reporting, there have been no arrests made in connection with the Boston Marathon attack. Over the past day and a half, there have been a number of press reports based on information from unofficial sources that has been inaccurate. Since these stories often have unintended consequences, we ask the media, particularly at this early stage of the investigation, to exercise caution and attempt to verify information through appropriate official channels before reporting.
   3085. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:31 PM (#4417098)
My uncle was in Army intelligence for a long time, and did several deployments to countries where we only had a handful of troops, usually as a liaison of some sort. I never found out what he did, precisely, but this isn't unusual. It's only unusual that we're hearing about it.
   3086. zonk Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:31 PM (#4417100)
My thoughts exactly on the target aspect.

Are they looking for an incident to rally support for intervention?


I think it's probably more a matter of the geography of the current Syrian civil war lines... The border area with Turkey (a NATO ally, don't forget) is now largely in in rebel hands. The eastern edge is pretty much Kurdish controlled (that's the border with Iraq). Assad supporters pretty much control the coastal slice extending down directly to the border with Jordan. There are pockets of rebel controlled areas on both the borders with Jordan and Lebanon.

I don't think it's necessary a tell one way or another -- I think it's a simple matter having some of our own eyes on the ground closer to the current battle lines.
   3087. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:32 PM (#4417101)
And in a well-timed move by Chuck Hagel, considering the distractions going on with Boston, the Pentagon announces 200 US troops are being deployed to Jordan.

That's an absurd number to send.

200 is enough to be a provocation, and a target, but not enough to achieve any possible objective.

My thoughts exactly on the target aspect.



The 1st Armored Division troops are largely planners and will replace a similar number of U.S. forces that have been in Jordan for some months. They will include specialists in intelligence, logistics and operations.



From this article. Seems like a fairly standard rotation?

I'm guessing it's to liase with the Jordanians. It sounds like ~200 soldiers were already there doing the job these guys will be doing.


Looks like the NYP isn't the only one to jump to conclusions.
   3088. zenbitz Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:33 PM (#4417103)
@2951 owes me a Coke! I broke that story here like the NY Post!
   3089. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:34 PM (#4417104)
Courthouse evacuation caused by bomb threat, according to Channel 7 news. Whoever filed that threat is a complete ####### #######.
   3090. Ray (RDP) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:35 PM (#4417106)
You have to understand that the worst case scenario for the leftists who make up the Cathedral would be an attack by foreign nationals. Such an event would gin up feelings of nationalism, which they want to avoid at all costs; feelings of nationalism lead to immigration restriction, as well as more aggressive foreign policy. Hard to slash military budgets when people feel under attack by foreign powers.

An attack by right wing domestic terrorists would be the best case scenario; they could make political hay out of that. But even if it turns out domestic left wing terrorists were responsible, they'll just be whitewashed as mentally ill crazies; no harm, no foul.

Anyway, that's why the usual suspects (heh) are spinning so hard that the Saudi guy isn't a suspect, won't be a suspect, couldn't POSSIBLY have EVER been a suspect.


Quite obviously true, as true as it is that 2+2=4.

The lefties are fervently hoping for this to be the work of right wing militants or, at worst, a "neutral" attack by a Columbine-esque teenager.

If I had to make a wild guess, I'd say the lefties will get their wish. I'm thinking more and more that maybe it's an extension of the school shootings we've seen.

   3091. zonk Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:37 PM (#4417107)
The 1st Armored Division troops are largely planners and will replace a similar number of U.S. forces that have been in Jordan for some months. They will include specialists in intelligence, logistics and operations.



From this article. Seems like a fairly standard rotation?


OK - this makes perfect sense, then...

People always seem to forget that -- never mind Israel -- Turkey is a full NATO member and the terms of the NATO pact obligate member states to come to the aid of others in case of attack. Months ago - Syria had lobbed shells into Turkish territory, killing several and a couple of Turkish jets were also shot down. Turkey reacted with restraint and now that the rebels have consolidated the adjacent Syrian territory, the danger has cooled a bit...

The new Security/State folks are a lot less interventionist than the previous - so I really tend to doubt this is anything beyond an abundance of caution, not any sort of lead-up, much less provocation set-up.
   3092. Monty Predicts a Padres-Mariners WS in 2016 Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:39 PM (#4417111)
If I had to make a wild guess


And you might as well. Why should the news media get all the fun?
   3093. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:40 PM (#4417113)
On the silver lining side, Atul Gawande has a piece on the successful reaction of Boston area hospitals to the bombing, and Sarah Kliff has a piece about how, other than the 3 people killed immediately by the blasts, none of the injured have died.*

I've said it before, but if a terrorist attack was going to happen Boston is probably the place best equipped to deal with the aftermath.

* Knock on wood. I know several victims are still in critical condition.
   3094. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:44 PM (#4417117)
   3095. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:45 PM (#4417118)
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   3096. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:45 PM (#4417119)
I'm guessing we're hearing about the deployment because it's becoming an official deployment after discussion with the Jordanian government rather than the ad hoc team put together that had previously been in place. It seems like a big nothingburger.
   3097. Ray (RDP) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:45 PM (#4417120)
So we learn that the pure-as-the-driven-snow Daily News has a few tire tracks on it, re that photo they doctored. Shocking.

They had 3 choices:

1. Run the photo as is.
2. Run the photo with the wound blurred.
3. Don't run the photo.

They chose 4: Run a fake photo that was photoshopped because we are liars and we're lying to you because lying liars lie.
   3098. spike Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:47 PM (#4417122)
Are they looking for an incident to rally support for intervention?

The plan is to call in an AC130 if there is any trouble.
   3099. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:49 PM (#4417124)
The plan is to call in an AC130 if there is any trouble.

I hope they have more airpower than that available.
   3100. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: April 17, 2013 at 03:50 PM (#4417125)
Flip.
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