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You've done WHAT?
I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.
Good Face, you sound more like Glenn Beck every post.
I haven't said word one about Andy's relentless celebration of "The New America" and its changed demographics and its far greater propensity to look to sponge.
I've read and chuckled at how ridiculous it is, sure, but you can scour the archives and you won't find a word.
Conservatives now think we should believe in the veracity of Russians without reservations.
I was not intended as a pedantic point, but rather to note that I looked for it and did not see it. Headlines are often not written by the author, so I don't take a lead from them as to the facts in a article.
Not at all. The first two paragraphs of the USA Today article that you cited to support your position state:
Sure sounds like there was a first investigation (or at least a review of his activities) that occurred before the CIA made its request.
That is a terrible analogy. If your neighbor says your house is on fire, and you check it and see nothing, do you check it again if your brother says your neighbor told him your house was on fire?
Look, it may well be that this is all CYA by the different agencies. I tend to suspect something got dropped. But for goodness sake have a little pride in your work man. Your articles don't support you and in fact contradict you. Faced with that, you go straight to the insults. Weak sauce.
And headlines. Don't forget the sanctity of headlines. If it's in a headline, it must be true.
That's the Joe game that I refuse to play anymore. At least this time he was on marginally firmer ground. He had a headline as evidence instead of nothing more than his own incredulity.
That certainly seems plausible to me. I suspect it would depend on what was found. If there was truly nothing, then I could see this. If there was a red-flag or two found (like maybe a shady friend or something), I would hope that they revisited it once or twice to see if there were any changes.
You should have kept biting it
There is no big demographic change in which a bunch more people look to government to give them ####
What there is, electorally, a group that already here, that's voting in larger numbers who vote against the Repubs for the primary reason a that they think the GOP is filled with a bunch of racists pieces of ####
My inlaws (asian not hispanic) have in the last 10-15 years pretty much all switched from voting GOP to voting Dem for that reason not because they look to government to give them ####
but you just all keep on thinking that and talking that- and all those dark skin types the Teapers think wanna mooch off them will continue to vote anti-Gop in larger and larger numbers, that's what's making the Andy's of the world giddy.
Conversely, since its the world hegemon and self appointed police force it draws more foreign ire.
Description of the American right is left as a exercise to the reader. EDIT: or rather a couple posts down the thread
Why shouldn't they? Obama pushed the Reset Button to make everything better and fix all the boo-boos caused by that retarded genius, George W. Bush.
But really now, nobody says we should believe in the veracity of the Russians without reservations. But if they warn us about a particular individual, it doesn't hurt to maybe do a Google search or two. Check and see if he has a criminal record. If he's gainfully employed. Maybe use our vast security apparatus to keep on eye on him. It's not like Borat the Elder was a particularly high value guy to the US; to the contrary, deporting him wouldn't have been any kind of loss. Oh noes, teh Russians are trying to manipulate us into deporting a wife-beating welfare sponge! We must be forever vigilant against their tricksy machinations!
Personally, I think RonJ's earlier comment was probably accurate. The Russians warned us, the FBI took one look and said, "Chechen? Eh, if he's a problem, he's Russia's problem," and closed the file.
At least I might believe that if I believed you could measure Intelligence.
This is actually true. Whatever you think about its motives, USG pushes people and governments around. And when you push people, you shouldn't be surprised if eventually they start pushing back.
It doesn't take much to figure out what drives the Tea Party / Libertarian types who post this kind of drivel here, since it's identical to the same sort of rhetoric that fearful whites were using 50 years ago. They think that they're King Canute.
This is very true. Not only do we piss off the enemies of the people we choose to help, we piss off everyone we choose not to help, e.g. Chechens.
My belief is that we should have a very strong military, and almost never use it.
There are only 3 parts of the world where hegemony by a hostile power poses a serious threat to our national security: 1) Central and Eastern Europe; we can't let the former Warsaw Pact nations and SSRs fall under the sway of either Russia or Germany, 2) The southern and western coasts of the Persian Gulf; oil, 3) the East China Sea/South China Sea/Straits of Malacca sea corridor; dominates Asian trade, and protects out maritime Allies.
Besides those areas, our policy should basically be hands off.
Not exactly giddy, but it is nice to see them (meaning the Republicans in general) apparently thinking that only white folks are paying attention to what they're saying.
Did you see what that Juan Marichal did to John Roseboro the other day? Awful.
An environment in which non-whites see "racism" any time a white person says something bad about immigration is nothing to celebrate either, and your giddiness over that is also bizarre. Though understandable, since obsession with racial identity and the obsessive quest for "racism" and victim status is the type of polity in which your political views have the best chance of success.
Did you see what that Juan Marichal did to John Roseboro the other day? Awful.
Cute, but the dire predictions of today about demographic changes are strikingly similar in tone to what was being said about the downfall of certain "ways of life" once blacks "forced themselves" into places they "weren't wanted". Not to mention the sort of apocalyptic visions that greeted the onslaught of Irish, Italians and Jews 100-odd years ago. The fact that you choose to ignore those similarities doesn't mean they don't exist.
Not exactly giddy, but it is nice to see them (meaning the Republicans in general) apparently thinking that only white folks are paying attention to what they're saying.
An environment in which non-whites see "racism" any time a white person says something bad about immigration is nothing to celebrate either,
When you use ethnic stereotypes about "government dependents" as part of your argument against immigration, don't be surprised if you get a reaction.
and your giddiness over that is also bizarre. Though understandable, since obsession with racial identity and the obsessive quest for "racism" and victim status is the type of polity in which your political views have the best chance of success.
The only "obsession" I see is your obsession with the idea that changing demographics are going to represent some sort of "loss" for our country, as if we haven't been undergoing one demographic change after another since the early 19th century. Even George W. Bush understood and welcomed this change, but for some reason you and snapper and Good Face seem threatened by it.
Didn't the FBI do at least some checking initially? I thought they did some basic interviews and the like. My guess is once those didn't hit anything, they thought exactly what you wrote above and went on to what they considered more pressing issues.
I don't recall saying the GOP should simply "write off" the Latino vote and make no effort to improve there; I do recall saying the GOP should prioritize the white vote, which I stand behind and which seems to be a more realistic path for short-term electoral improvement.
Andy, this is silly. Unless you're claiming with a straight face that the GOP should pass amnesty and move to the left of Democrats on healthcare and economic issues, I don't see how you're making any type of realistic point here. As Plouffe pointed out, Latinos are the biggest fans of Obamacare. That's all the GOP really needs to know when it comes to the GOP's near-term prospects with Latinos.
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Right, it's bizarre. I might understand it if Andy was a childless hippy who was 70 years old and didn't have to worry about the future, but he's always talking about a granddaughter or goddaughter who's in grade school. The vision he seems to have for America isn't the one that I'd be wishing for a little kid. Andy always dodges this when I ask him, but I'd love to know why he believes it's a good thing for the country that, due to the high levels of Third World immigration to the U.S., the average U.S. worker 20 years from now is projected to be less educated than the average worker of today.
The articles didn't explicitly say that, and as I recall, last week the FBI was denying the mother's claims that it had been investigating the older son for years.
Again, I hope there was an investigation, but when an article says, "no action was taken by any agency," that's a fairly strong and all-encompassing statement.
Again, it's not clear that the FBI "checked it and [saw] nothing." The articles might "suggest" that, as you claimed, but I've seen no confirmation from the FBI on this, and I've seen plenty of stories that claim otherwise (i.e., that the FBI got a tip from the Russians; the FBI asked for more info., which didn't come; and then the FBI passed on putting the older brother on the watch list).
Utter nonsense. The main article in question is the one I posted way back in #5656, the one whose headline includes the word "ignored" and whose story says "no action was taken by any agency." That's the article to which "Misirlou" immediately started objecting like crazy, accusing me of "scouring the net" to support some anti-FBI position that he imagined I hold. (As everyone here knows, I'm a right-winger. The idea that I'm anti-law enforcement is beyond absurd.)
Huh? Please list the insults I've tossed at you during this exchange. I've done no such thing.
USA Today says the FBI looked into it, as I quoted.
Your statement that I was "incorrect at best or blatantly dishonest at worst" (on facts that you got wrong in your original post and even now are backing off) sure seems like an insult.
07:15 PM ET Russia asked U.S. twice to investigate Tamerlan Tsarnaev, official says
"The FBI investigated Tsarnaev based on the initial information from the Russians before concluding he was not a threat.
A senior U.S. official with direct knowledge of the information says "the issue with Russia is that the initial information was extremely thin."
You're hanging you hat on a headline which uses the word "ignore", and a poorly written article, which apparently carries a lot more weight with you than a direct quote from a "senior U.S. official with direct knowledge of the information."
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence! Unknown unknowns! Take a bath hippies!
Absurd. The entire statement I made was:
Which part of the second and third sentences is incorrect? And which facts "even now [am I] backing off" from?
The Daily News article is the one that set this whole discussion off, and the best you could get from the other two links I posted is that they "suggest" some sort of investigation occurred after the CIA contacted the FBI. Someone here is peddling "weak sauce," but it's not me.
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Wait, I thought you "refuse to play [this game] anymore" [#5606]?
Anyway, the link you just posted in #5824 is the same one you posted in #5657. As I said many comments ago, believe whichever story you want. I saw the Daily News story and I posted it here. That's it. This idea that I'm anti-FBI and "scouring the net" for things that fit my position is a massive delusion that exists only in your head.
You have now, so I'm assuming you are going to shut up about this issue (of no investigation).
Headlines, as you know, can be wildly misleading. Citing them as proof of anything is disingenuous at best, dishonest at worst. As for the text, it is either poorly written or deliberately vague. The no action quote leave a bunch of wiggle room. It certainly implies no action was ever taken by the FBI (we now know that to not be true), but it could also mean that no action was taken after the CIA contacted them. As I said, poorly written, or deliberately vague.
Shame! Shame!
I didn't cite only a headline as "proof of anything"; I cited a headline that used the word "ignored" that ran atop a story that said "no action was taken by any agency." As for that latter statement, I don't know why you keep referring to it as being "poorly written." It might have been an incorrect statement, but taken at face value, it's neither "vague" nor does it "leave a bunch of wiggle room."
It's obvious from recent discussions that you either don't understand or don't care about the plain meaning of words, but the phrase "no action was taken by any agency" doesn't leave much to the imagination unless one has a very overactive imagination.
This whole discussion has been inane. I saw a story and I posted it — without any comment — in #5656, and you went nuts, like some sort of FBI fanboy.
I don't recall saying the GOP should simply "write off" the Latino vote and make no effort to improve there; I do recall saying the GOP should prioritize the white vote,
So what does "priotriz[ing] the white vote mean", other than appealing to anti-immigration sentiments? What other sort of programs are supposed to appeal to white voters as opposed to others?
which I stand behind and which seems to be a more realistic path for short-term electoral improvement.
And what about the long run, if the economy fails to crash and anti-immigration sentiment fades---as it's done in every previous wave of immigration. What's the next move for the GOP? To double down on whites who listen to Rush and promise gun stamps in place of food stamps?
I might understand it if Andy was a childless hippy who was 70 years old and didn't have to worry about the future, but he's always talking about a granddaughter or goddaughter who's in grade school. The vision he seems to have for America isn't the one that I'd be wishing for a little kid.
Our sixth grade goddaughter, attending the same DC public school that I did in the late 1950's, is so far advanced beyond what we were back then that it's beyond jawdropping. But then we didn't have an IBD program, so the gap is quite understandable. To the extent that she has problems with her school, it's due to overwork, not underwork.
Oh, and BTW the school is totally international in makeup, and 44% of the student body is black.
Andy always dodges this when I ask him, but I'd love to know why he believes it's a good thing for the country that, due to the high levels of Third World immigration to the U.S., the average U.S. worker 20 years from now is projected to be less educated than the average worker of today.
I wonder what the projections were for such things back when we were importing millions of illiterate European peasants who kept to themselves and spoke in indecipherable babble. Then and now, it's the same shortsighted view of humanity that never seems to lack for Chicken Littles like yourself. If they'd been listening to people like you 100 years ago, most of us here would still be somewhere over in Europe.
Turns out that there was an attempt to deport one of the suspects 9 years ago. There were "a string of criminal convictions" (fraud, uttering death threats and failure to comply with recognizance) and he was "working illegally".
Problem was that there was no place to deport him to. His mother was born in Saudi Arabia. His father in Jaffa (now part of Israel). He was born in the Abu Dhabi, but being born there does not confer citizenship. He's legally stateless -- something very uncommon these days.
For that matter, his parents' initial claim of refugee status was rejected, but they were allowed to stay because there was no place to send them back to.
Good grief, Andy. "Appealing to anti-immigration sentiments" is the only way to appeal to white voters?
I reject the "long run" presumption that the GOP's share of the white vote has reached a ceiling and can only recede. As I've seen some sociologists point out, as racial or ethnic majorities start to decline, solidarity within such groups tends to increase, not decrease.
Regardless, in 2012, the GOP ran a super-rich Mormon candidate who implemented his own version of Obamacare a decade before Obama. It shouldn't be all that difficult for the GOP to come up with a candidate who better appeals to working-class people of all races and ethnicities, which wouldn't target whites but should disproportionately yield gains among whites based on what we know about Latinos' (and blacks') preferences vis-a-vis the size and scope of government. That was my point last fall, and it remains my point now.
I'm glad she's doing well, but this is mostly non-responsive. How is it good for her if the U.S. has a less-educated populace in future decades, with millions of people essentially useless to an advanced economy, and with a large and growing segment of the population depending on her work to pay for their welfare, food stamps, disability, etc.?
I suppose, in a strict sense, it's good to be a smart, skilled person in a country full of people who are increasingly less smart and less skilled, but I'm not sure I'd actively root for the country to decline in such a manner just to increase my (or my kids') job prospects.
Again, non-responsive. We know what the educational trends have been. People weren't getting progressively less educated throughout the 20th century as they're projected to get in future decades. As you happily point out, Latinos are the fastest-growing segment of the U.S. population, but studies are showing third-generation Latinos with less educational attainment than second-generation Latinos. If you don't believe that's a problem, you have a very strange vision for the future of the country.
There is a party that appeals to working-class people of all races and ethnicities, but it isn't the GOP.
Indeed. It's the party of no-responsibility-or-accountability-if-you-are-not-successful-you-are-a-Victim-here-take-this-free-stuff-that-you-are-entitled-to-we-got-it-from-those-racists-or-bigots-or-coldhearted-people-who-are-responsible-for-your-lot-in-life-did-I-mention-racists?
That certainly ain't the GOP.
You mean the party that's pushing amnesty at a time of ~8 percent unemployment and ~25 percent underemployment, and despite working-class wages having been stagnant for generations?
The modern Democrat party is the party of dependency, not the party of work. The fact that the Dems have stopped prioritizing the working class is precisely why an opportunity exists for the GOP. (I'm not confident the GOP leadership will be smart enough to seize that opportunity, but it exists.)
There are over half a million people in the "terror watch list". The FBI doesn't have the manpower to watch them all 24/7, or even a fraction of that (despite the name).
A useful article on the topic here.
Speaking of which ...
U.S. Opens Spigot After Farmers Claim Discrimination
Free money! Come get your free money!
Being in the classified TIDE database does not automatically mean a person is suspected by the U.S. of terrorist activity and does not automatically subject someone to surveillance, security screening or travel restrictions.
I don't know what TIDE's purpose is, but it looks to me like somebody is laying the grounds to argue, "not my fault" (particularly since -- again quoting again -- The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the case.)
All in all it looks like more details on the "CIA asked FBI to investigate" story.
Empirical evidence suggests Tamerlan Tsarnaev should have been a little higher than #500,000-and-something on that list.
And they see everything through a prism of racism/sexism/bigotry, which is pretty much the antithesis of the colorblind society that was hoped for decades ago.
Again, that's what's so frustrating about the Marathon bombers to them; their typical tools are of no use to them, and they might actually have to argue on the merits. And we see how well that is working out for them. ("He was a stay at home dad ARE YOU AGAINST STAY AT HOME DADS OR MOMS WHAT WAS THE FBI SUPPOSED TO DO WERE THEY SUPPOSED TO WATCH A PERSON ON A WATCH LIST HEY THIS WAS ONLY RUSSIA AND THEIR INFORMATION THAT HE MIGHT BE AN ISLAMIC TERRORIST WASN'T SPECIFIC ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!")
Yet, a month before 9/11 Bush gets a pdb entitled "bin laden determined to strike in US" and Bush, armed with this granularly detailed information, should have thwarted the attack based on it.
This is true. If the GOP weren't quite so stupid, they'd seize the opportunity to represent the middle and working classes by going populist. The Democrats will always have a stranglehold on the urban lumpenproles and the members of the Cathedral, but there aren't enough votes there to dominate national politics.
But alas, the GOP is like a slow-witted but loyal dog; once they've been bought they stay bought.
But alas, the GOP is like a slow-witted but loyal dog; once they've been bought they stay bought.
Yup, 100%. The Republicans keep slavishly doing the bidding of the top 0.1%, even though those people are as likely to support Democrats as Republicans.
This would be a winning coalition, which is why the current corporatist Republican and Democratic parties are so deeply engaged in the culture wars and the race-baiting to keep it from coalescing. Eventually, someone will successfully bring them together.
In a related note, the lack of commentary on the board about the Bangladesh factory building collapse, replete with sweatshop labor making goods for the likes of Wal-Mart and Benetton and representing the natural end-game of America's greedy consumerist, free-trade economy brought to you by the "elites" of both parties, is quite telling.
Growth of TIDE list
Meaning that getting on to TIDE is low signal.
TIDE Fact Sheet
But what is the point of all of this? That once Russia warned us of him, we shouldn't have bothered to listen?
That despite us being warned of him, we shouldn't have asked questions upon his return from a half-year trip to Dagestan during which his wife and child were left behind? We shouldn't have gotten serious about him?
Right. Unless Ron J. believes the CIA added the older brother and his mother to the watch list because the son was a wife-beater and the mother a shoplifter, it's unclear what he's saying with his various replies above.
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Back to the story posted in #5839, here's another quote:
The entire article has to be read to be believed. Tens of thousands of people are getting $50,000 checks just for claiming, without any proof or documentation whatsoever, that the government discriminated against them — and they're getting those checks after the government was on the verge of prevailing in court. It's a case study in how the government is way too big and way too inefficient.
Maybe if you squint really hard, you can determine a difference between the Boston bombing and the 9/11 attack.
You're too kind. It's a case study in lefties aiding and abetting bullshyte claims of discrimination to win votes.
Congratulations, good for her! It would be great if she was representative of the DC Public School System, but we both know she isn't, unfortunately. DC ranks far below the national average in SAT scores and virtually every other measurement of educational achievement, although there may be a bit of progress in the last decade. Perhaps not enough that students like Andy's goddaughter stay in the DCPS beyond elementary school, but any improvement is to be cheered, even if it comes from the Charter Schools.
Browsing the internet for information on TIDE is suspicious behavior. You are now on the list. And you may never leave.
The current GOP exists to do the top 1%s bidding, the social conservative/teaper stuff is just there to cast a wider net
The odds of the GOP going populist is absolute zero (the odds of the Dems, going working class populist are about 1 in 1,000 or so)
If this is what you claim to want you'd either be starting/supporting a 3rd party or trying to change the Dems.
The current Democratic party exists to do the top 1%'s bidding, the immigration/welfare stuff is just there to cast a wider net.
Edit: and in reality both of those should be 0.1%. The 99th %-ile income is around $300K. Those people have no real clout.
The 99.9%-ile is $1.6M, now you're getting to the people who call the shots.
SAT scores are pretty misleading sometimes in instances where the demographics allow for a significant portion of the high achievers to opt out of the public school system, as happens in DC.
If everyone who lives in DC sent their kids to public school, they would look a whole lot better, both because the kids would be brighter and the people with clout would make sure of it.
We did follow up and we did ask questions. We asked Russia for more information and got nothing. What should we have done, illegally searched everything until something comes up in which we can charge him and deport him in spite of having no reason at the time to want to?
There was no reason to get serious about him. Ray, will you read the GD links so you can get your facts straight please?
No they do it because they're afraid not to, whereas doing such bidding is the very reason for the current GOP's existence.
Not much of a distinction given that the odds of either ceasing to act such way is very slim.
The FBI says it asked questions in March 2011, but apparently not after the summer 2011 CIA request. The business about asking Russia for more information is lame. No one has said anything about "illegally search[ing]" anything, but putting the guy on the watch list and maybe doing an occasional Google search might have been a good idea. Hell, despite apparently being warned by Russia that Tamerlan the Terrorist was planning to leave the U.S., it appears the FBI was unaware that he had gone to Dagestan for six months, allegedly because of a spelling error on his plane ticket.
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No reason to get serious about him? The Russians apparently told both the FBI and CIA that the guy was becoming radicalized and that he planned to leave the country because of various radical contacts he had made.
close the borders and deport everyone with a funny last-name who wasn't born here
and then change the Constitution so we can deport those with funny last-names who were born here.
Of course this will only work if I have the final say on what is or is not a funny last-name.
Seriously, I'm not sure Id be taking the FBI's due diligence claims at face value right around now, seems to be me that they (and some other agencies) may be in full bureaucratic CYA mode right around now,
Base on what exactly? A cryptic Russian request? That's all? Do you realize what a ########### of a precedent that would set? All Russia would have to do to #### over anybody on US soil, citizen or non-citizen, it wants is to put a request in to the FBI to follow up on someone they think is up to no good, without a single iota of validating evidence or documentation.
Not much of a distinction given that the odds of either ceasing to act such way is very slim.
Don't kid yourself. It's just the other half of the elite they cater to; the one who are socially liberal uber alles. They're rich enough thet they're willing to pay a few % extra in taxes so they can do whatever the hell they want w/o social opprobrium.
You're worried about precedent? According to various links above, there are over 500,000 people on one such watch list. Do you believe the government had even better information on all of them? If there are over 500,000 people out there who might be a bigger threat than Tamerlan Tsarnaev, we're in big trouble.
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I'm not sure if that helps the FBI's case or hurts it. It seems unclear why the "security alert" would have expired while he was in the midst of a six-month trip to Dagestan, which is apparently a hotbed of Islamist activity. It seems like the longer he was there, the more the FBI and DHS should have wanted to talk to him (or at least investigate him) upon his return.
Going to Dagestan should have been a red flag after Russia specifically warned the U.S. that Tamerlan Tsarnaev might be becoming radicalized and was preparing to leave the country because of contacts he had made with radicals.
Beyond that, the article in #5838 is full of inconsistencies. It said the FBI could only investigate for 90 days, but it also said that Tamerlan's departure from the U.S. — which occurred in Jan. 2012, long after that 90-day window would have closed in 2011 — triggered "a ping on the outbound to Customs." Why would that have occurred if the file had already been closed without any negative info. and Tamerlan wasn't on a watch list? The article also says that a closed file couldn't be held against a person, but then it says DHS put a hold on Tamerlan's citizenship application anyway. It seems like there's a lot of conflicting info. flying around and that these agencies are in CYA mode.
To what purpose? What's the point of having such lists if the government doesn't investigate a person who goes and does exactly what Russia said he was going to do — i.e., leave the United States and potentially meet with radical contacts he had made overseas? And if the law specifically disallows the government from holding a closed non-negative file against someone, on what legal basis did DHS put a hold on his citizenship application?
The whole sequence of events is odd. Russia advised the FBI that it should investigate Tamerlan in 2011, and the FBI apparently did so for a 90-day period, which ended with a non-negative file being closed. Months after that 90-day period ended, and apparently while still on welfare, Tamerlan did exactly what Russia said he was planning to do — travel overseas to Dagestan — which triggered a "ping on the outbound to Customs." But then, armed with the info. that Russia might have been right, the FBI and DHS did ... nothing upon Tamerlan's return some 6 months later.
Hindsight is 20/20 and all that, but it looks like someone whiffed somewhere.
Not before A.J. Pierzynski has a chance to lead the Rangers to a World Championship, thank you very much.
The Governor of Maryland wants to run for President.
What's vague and open to interpretation is what time period the "no action was taken" refers to. It may refer to both before and after the CIA made its request, , or it may just refer to after. Take this made up sentence:
"Kobe Bryant scored 47 points last night, his highest total in a playoff game since 2008 when he scored 54, in a game his team also lost." Did Kobe's team lose last night? Depends on what work the "also" is doing. It could mean they lost last night, and also lost in 2008. Or it could mean that in 2008 he scored 54 and they also lost.
Now take your link:
"The spy agency shared its concerns with the FBI, Homeland Security, the State Department and the National Counterterrorism Center, a U.S. intelligence official said Wednesday.
The FBI received identical information on Tsarnaev in March 2011, including possible travel plans, but no action was taken by any agency"
Was "no action was taken by any agency" referring to 2011, or just after "The spy agency shared its concerns with the FBI" It's poorly written, and open to interpretation.
Every Governor wants to run for President.
I can't imagine what you mean here.
I guess American friends don't have a monopoly on ignorance, then.
Agreed, that is one really dimwitted observation.
As TFA later suggests, why not give whatever details you have of these conversations to the FBI, assuming you really do want the fibbers to investigate Tsarnayev?
If 'speaking vaguely of jihad' is all you've got, that's probably not going to get it done, but I imagine half a dozen similar things might be revealing. You'd also have to figure that the Russians didn't pick that call of randomly. Why didn't they give more of a rationale for why they had him under surveillance?
No, it isn't. This wasn't the result of inefficiency; it was the result of racial politics. To be sure, Democratic OPM syndrome played a big role: Of course they did, because it wasn't their money. Why not hand out taxpayer money to politically favored groups to buy their votes? In a real class action suit, people without evidence get token relief, at best. (And, in fact, to hold down payments, onerous evidentiary requirements are often imposed.) But here? Of course not.
So what you're saying is we should pay more attention to Breitbart?
He didn't mention Politico either, which was probably a good thing. But if I ever hosted one of those things, I'd spend the entire time just ripping on Politico and telling them to do the world a favor and put themselves out of business.
Back to our regularly scheduled circle jerk.
We should dig his fat ass corpse up and put it on a stick on a bridge or something.
Please explain to the class how inverting that logic leads to a more just or moral outcome, Davy. That is to say, defend as more just than the logic of the Clinton admin stated above, the following:
"It is better to err on the side of denying money to people who actually deserve it than to risk giving money to people who might not qualify."
Please at least make a good faith attempt to do so without whinging off about "other people's money" as if that's an argument in and of itself.
So he did "exactly what Russia said he was going to do," which was "potentially" doing something. In other words, we don't know whether he did what Russia said he was going to do, we only know he might have.
It does sound like the FBI and/or CIA should have done more follow-up monitoring of Tamerlan post-2011, even if it was just a periodic Google search or an interview when he returned to the U.S. It's not at all clear that such actions would have prevented the bombing, but it seems relatively low cost compared to a lot of the "security theater" that we currently engage in.
Thirded. Like a less bellicose foreign policy and a more equitable economic system are against the country's interests.
Must be a Tory.
The same problem occurred before 9/11. There was a red flag sent up about islamic extremists taking commercial jet flying lessons but somehow the warning slipped through the cracks.
I don't see why the righties here are complaining. You want to pay less taxes and have a smaller government? You got exactly what you want, a smaller and less capable government with less resources to do the things you want them to do. You want them to do more? Good, ante up.
In the Orwellian world of glibertarians and movement conservatives, compensating the victims of racism is itself racist.
I think I was more saying that when a scandal is reported, it shouldn't be dismissed merely because you don't like the ideological priors of the reporter. You don't have to relay the reports if you don't want ("i.e., A website named Breitbart reports that..."), but you should at least check out the story. In this case, there was clear statistical evidence of fraud -- far more claims were being made than minority-owned farms had ever existed. And yet it was completely ignored, until after the fact. If the story had been that Bush political appointees at the DOJ, at the behest of GOP congressmen, were overruling the career lawyers and handing out massive monetary giveaways to, say, evangelical groups, it would have been front page news at the time, not after it was too late.
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