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Dallas Keuchel calls out Phillies management after handcuffing Phillies hitters

Skipping ahead to the pertinent section:

The Phillies had starting pitching needs, not to mention a need for a left-hander, and were mentioned throughout the winter and spring as a potential landing spot for Keuchel. In actuality, however, the Phils showed little interest in Keuchel and he signed a one-year, $13 million contract with the Braves, who have won 91 games and are days away from wrapping up their second straight NL East title.

After the game, Keuchel called out Phillies management when he was asked if the Phils’ lack of interest in him fueled any extra motivation leading up to the start.

“I mean, if you don’t come calling what is there for me to be mad about?” he said. “I think a lot of those guys over there in the front office are second-guessing themselves, and, I mean, I would too.”

Keuchel, 31, won the American League Cy Young Award with Houston in 2015 and was an All-Star in 2017. Despite his resume, he lingered on the free-agent market last winter as teams were leery of his declining strikeout numbers and rising hits totals.

So, what do we make of these comments?

 

QLE Posted: September 12, 2019 at 04:23 AM | 22 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: dallas keuchel, phillies

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   1. Walt Davis Posted: September 12, 2019 at 04:45 AM (#5878590)
I make of these comments that the Phils never expressed an interest in him.

Should they have? Hard to say (and at what point)? They signed Harper, traded for Segura and Realmuto, signed McCutchen then, when he got hurt, made in-season pick-ups of Bruce and Dickerson. They jumped the payroll to $186 which is a big move but they could have still fit Keuchel in under the cap.

Was focusing on position players the right move? Well, if we believe bWAR (and Rfield), their position players overall last year were replacement level while their pitchers put up 28 WAR. So even if you didn't think their pitchers would repeat, it sure looked like the position players were the greatest need. The position players this year are up to 16 WAR but the pitchers have dropped all the way back to 10. So they're right back where they were. Keuchel has put up 2 bWAR -- thanks to out-performing his FIP by a full run. Still, if they'd gotten him for the full season, maybe they'd have 4 more wins and be in the thick of the NL WC "race."
   2. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 12, 2019 at 09:30 AM (#5878607)
I make of these comments that the Phils never expressed an interest in him.

Should they have?


The Phillies and Yankees both missed the boat big time on Keuchel. Penny wise, pound foolish.
   3. PreservedFish Posted: September 12, 2019 at 11:36 AM (#5878635)
Every team did. It is outrageous that a pitcher of Keuchel's caliber had to wait until after the draft to sign a 1 year contract.
   4. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: September 12, 2019 at 11:40 AM (#5878636)
Certainly the Phils should have gone after him for 1 year st least to 15M and maybe even higher.

Notice that Keuchel does not mention his asking price. It surely was for too many years and likely too much $. If these guys were real reporters, they needed to ask that question.
   5. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 12, 2019 at 11:46 AM (#5878639)
Every team did. It is outrageous that a pitcher of Keuchel's caliber had to wait until after the draft to sign a 1 year contract.

True, but I meant the June decision when they both already knew their rotation was in tatters.
   6. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: September 12, 2019 at 11:46 AM (#5878640)

Every team did. It is outrageous that a pitcher of Keuchel's caliber had to wait until after the draft to sign a 1 year contract.

Had to, or chose to?
   7. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: September 12, 2019 at 12:06 PM (#5878654)
This is the mildest "calls out" in history. Clickbait headline.
   8. PreservedFish Posted: September 12, 2019 at 12:07 PM (#5878655)
Well, I don't know the ins and outs of it. Keuchel may have had unrealistic expectations. But we're in a world where demonstrably inferior starters like Mike Leake and Jeff Samardzija are still playing out $80M-100M contracts, and it seems like Keuchel couldn't even get that much from anyone.
   9. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 12, 2019 at 12:14 PM (#5878656)
But we're in a world where demonstrably inferior starters like Mike Leake and Jeff Samardzija are still playing out $80M-100M contracts
Exactly. But not in the way you're arguing.
   10. Itchy Row Posted: September 12, 2019 at 12:15 PM (#5878657)
This would be a real story if it was a literal handcuffing.
   11. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 12, 2019 at 12:18 PM (#5878658)
This would be a real story if it was a literal handcuffing.
Nah. "Dave Dombrowski Fired" would dominate the front page of the Literal Tribune.
   12. Nasty Nate Posted: September 12, 2019 at 12:21 PM (#5878659)
This would be a real story if it was a literal handcuffing.
Nah. "Dave Dombrowski Fired" would dominate the front page of the Literal Tribune.
I'd like to see footage of Yordan Alvarez blasting away at Woolly Mammoths
   13. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 12, 2019 at 12:30 PM (#5878661)
Former NBA Star Crashes Clubhouse with Poisonous Snakes
MLB Players Flee in Terror
   14. Itchy Row Posted: September 12, 2019 at 12:31 PM (#5878663)
I'd like to see footage of Yordan Alvarez blasting away at Woolly Mammoths
Blasting them with his orange ass.
   15. bfan Posted: September 12, 2019 at 12:32 PM (#5878665)
But we're in a world where demonstrably inferior starters like Mike Leake and Jeff Samardzija are still playing out $80M-100M contracts


If those contracts are supposed to represent fair market, then yes. If those contracts represent a cautionary tale to GMs who make the same mistakes over and over again, no.

What gets me is that the notion is somehow that the Phillies did not do enough in the off-season (there was another article on here recently about ambivalent Philly ownership somehow causing their 2019 failure to win the division). They signed the biggest FA; they signed another very expensive OF; they took on the contracts of Realmuto and Segura, when the team had younger, less expensive alternatives. Now, is the accepted wisdom if you did not win, you failed to sign enough FA talent? There are only 10 play-off teams. Every year, every team cannot make the play-offs. Philly contended (for a while?).

Forget about who they did not sign; if Jake Arrietta had just lived up to his $25 million a year contract, the Phillies would have those 4 more wins and be in contention for the WC. You will have to forgive their senior management after that signing if they do not in off season 2019/2020,seek another starter on the FA market for $25 million a year, who is on the back-side of his career.
   16. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 12, 2019 at 12:54 PM (#5878669)
Forget about who they did not sign; if Jake Arrietta had just lived up to his $25 million a year contract, the Phillies would have those 4 more wins and be in contention for the WC. You will have to forgive their senior management after that signing if they do not in off season 2019/2020,seek another starter on the FA market for $25 million a year, who is on the back-side of his career.

What's their excuse for June?
   17. bfan Posted: September 12, 2019 at 01:13 PM (#5878678)
What's their excuse for June?


That they were outbid by the Braves, and that other teams exist in the world of major league baseball, and that all free agents do not immediately go to them, if the Red Sox and Yankees decline?

   18. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 12, 2019 at 01:16 PM (#5878679)
That they were outbid by the Braves, and that other teams exist in the world of major league baseball, and that all free agents do not immediately go to them, if the Red Sox and Yankees decline?


I'm saying they clearly should have bid more, given their situation. 1/13 was cheap, especially to keep him off the Braves. If he's worth 2 wins, that's a 4-win swing.
   19. Captain Supporter Posted: September 12, 2019 at 01:49 PM (#5878687)
It is outrageous that a pitcher of Keuchel's caliber had to wait until after the draft to sign a 1 year contract.


Apparently baseball should be exempt from the notion of supply and demand.
   20. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: September 12, 2019 at 01:51 PM (#5878688)
Correct, the supply of Dallas Keuchels is sufficient to establish a well-characterized market in them. Econ 101. (rolls eyes)
   21. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: September 12, 2019 at 08:51 PM (#5878822)
Presumed replacement for Keuchel, Drew Smyly, lasts 4 innings. He left with the lead, 5-4.
   22. PreservedFish Posted: September 12, 2019 at 09:15 PM (#5878826)
Apparently baseball should be exempt from the notion of supply and demand.


Stupid comment. Baseball is a bizarre monopoly, and everything about free agency is contingent on the indentured servitude of younger players. Damn straight baseball is exempt from simple economic rules. If many teams all of a sudden decide that they just don't care about winning all that much, it perverts what should be a healthy market, and more importantly it disrespects the players and the fans.

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