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Friday, February 08, 2013
No, it ain’t Eating Record Amounts+, dopey…for the IFOCE HOF isn’t even completed yet.
According to WAR and the Hall of Stats, Rick Reuschel was a top 100 player. That was—and still is—a revelation. When I create lists of the best players outside of the Hall, I still hesitate a bit before listing Reuschel’s name. So, what gives?
...So, here are some reasons why Rick Reuschel is better than we seem to think…
1- Part of it is unexplainable. Reuschel’s raw numbers are actually nearly Hall-worthy. He had a .528 winning percentage and 114 ERA+. Nolan Ryan had a .526 winning percentage and an ERA+ of 112 (I understand Ryan pitched longer, but still… this is a little surprising).
2- He played for some pretty terrible teams. His teams combined for a winning percentage of .463. This doesn’t lead to a lot of wins, awards, or publicity.
3- He didn’t give up a lot of unearned runs. He was right at the league average. Considering the defense he played in front of, you’d think he would have given up more. If looking at things in terms of runs allowed rather than earned runs allowed, Reuschel would look much better.
4- He played in front of some horrendous defenses. Phil Niekro must sympathize with him. If you think about how bad his defenses were and how many unearned runs they must have led to, you realize that the actual number of unearned runs Reuschel allowed was probably unbelievably low. He helped this by not walking many players and not allowing many home runs. Those are easy ways to be beaten and Reuschel didn’t let his opponents do it.
I don’t think I’ve ever publicly said “Rick Reuschel should be in the Hall of Fame.” I was still uncomfortable with why his WAR-based numbers looked so good. But now I know. And I think I’m ready to say it.
Rick Reuschel should be in the Hall of Fame. He wasn’t flashy. He wasn’t famous. But he provided more value than the average Hall of Famer. That, to me, makes him worthy of the Hall of Fame.
Repoz
Posted: February 08, 2013 at 11:55 PM | 110 comment(s)
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Holy crap! 14 hits, including 2 doubles and a triple, and 2 walks. 59 has to be the lowest Game Score ever recorded in a CGShO, right?
Rk Player Date Tm Opp Rslt IP H R ER BB SO HR Pit Str GSc BF AB 2B 3B IBB HBP SH SF GDP SB CS PO BK WP 1 Milt Gaston 1928-07-10(2) WSH CLE W 9-0 9.0 14 0 0 2 2 0 59 41 38 2 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 2 Fritz Ostermueller 1947-05-17 PIT BRO W 4-0 9.0 12 0 0 2 1 0 104 66 62 38 35 0 0 0 1 0 0 4 0 0 0 0 1 3 Burleigh Grimes 1929-06-29(1) PIT CIN W 3-0 9.0 11 0 0 4 1 0 62 39 34 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 4 Wes Ferrell 1931-07-29 CLE WSH W 6-0 9.0 10 0 0 5 1 0 63 42 37 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 Les Sweetland 1929-08-02 PHI PIT W 2-0 9.0 11 0 0 2 0 0 63 39 36 2 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 6 Rich Beck 1965-09-19 NYY DET W 3-0 9.0 9 0 0 5 0 0 64 37 31 1 0 1 0 1 0 3 0 1 0 0 0 7 Connie Marrero 1952-08-03 WSH CHW T 0-0 8.0 8 0 0 3 1 0 64 32 29 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 8 Vern Olsen 1942-07-14 CHC NYG W 3-0 9.0 11 0 0 3 2 0 64 39 36 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 9 George Smith 1921-08-12(2) PHI BSN W 4-0 9.0 12 0 0 1 2 0 64 38 37 0 0 0 0 0 0 10 Leon Cadore 1920-09-04 BRO BSN W 10-0 9.0 12 0 0 0 1 0 64 34 34 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 11 Carl Mays 1920-08-23 NYY DET W 10-0 9.0 10 0 0 3 0 0 64 38 35 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 12 Bob Shawkey 1920-06-13 NYY CLE W 14-0 9.0 12 0 0 2 3 0 64 39 37 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0Rk Player Date Tm Opp Rslt IP H R ER BB SO HR Pit Str GSc BF AB 2B 3B IBB HBP SH SF GDP SB CS PO BK WP 1 Dennis Martinez 1998-06-02 ATL MIL W 9-0 9.0 12 0 0 1 3 0 106 71 65 36 35 1 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 2 Ed Figueroa 1974-07-12 CAL BOS W 7-0 9.0 10 0 0 2 0 0 65 35 33 2 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 1 0 0 0 3 Rick Reuschel 1973-09-15(2) CHC NYM W 7-0 9.0 10 0 0 2 0 0 65 37 35 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 4 Carlos Silva 2004-08-03 MIN ANA W 10-0 9.0 11 0 0 2 3 0 99 67 66 35 33 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 0 0 0 0 0 5 Tommy John 1976-09-14 LAD CIN W 9-0 9.0 10 0 0 4 3 0 66 39 35 1 0 0 0 0 0 2 2 0 0 0 1 6 Dave Freisleben 1976-05-29 SDP SFG W 4-0 9.0 10 0 0 4 3 0 66 38 34 1 0 1 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 1 0 7 Curt Simmons 1967-08-09 CAL NYY W 7-0 9.0 10 0 0 2 1 0 66 35 33 1 0 0 0 0 0 4 0 0 0 0 0 8 Rick Lysander 1983-08-01(2) MIN CAL W 7-0 9.0 11 0 0 3 5 0 67 38 35 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 1 9 Denny McLain 1971-08-13 WSA CAL W 4-0 9.0 10 0 0 2 2 0 67 39 36 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 10 Marty Pattin 1971-06-26 MIL MIN W 5-0 9.0 11 0 0 0 2 0 67 36 36 2 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 11 Jim Kaat 1971-04-11 MIN CHW W 6-0 9.0 11 0 0 1 3 0 67 36 35 2 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0Rk Player Date Tm Opp Rslt IP H R ER BB SO HR Pit Str GSc BF AB 2B 3B IBB HBP SH SF GDP SB CS PO BK WP 1 Gene Bearden 1948-08-05 CLE WSH W 3-0 9.0 6 0 0 4 1 0 72 32 27 0 0 0 1 0 0 6 0 0 0 0 0 2 Bob Friend 1962-07-13 PIT HOU W 4-0 9.0 8 0 0 0 4 0 75 31 31 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 0 0 0 0 0 3 Tom Glavine 1997-04-18 ATL COL W 14-0 9.0 8 0 0 1 6 0 76 32 31 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 0 0 0 0 0 4 Jim Hearn 1954-08-01(2) NYG CIN W 5-0 9.0 6 0 0 3 4 0 76 31 28 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 0 0 0 0 0 5 Larry Dierker 1972-05-05 HOU CHC W 3-0 9.0 5 0 0 3 3 0 77 31 27 0 0 0 1 0 0 5 0 0 0 0 0 6 Warren Spahn 1964-05-05 MLN NYM W 6-0 9.0 4 0 0 2 2 0 79 28 26 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 0 0 0 0 0 7 Armando Reynoso 1997-06-05 NYM FLA W 6-0 9.0 5 0 0 1 4 0 100 65 80 30 28 0 0 0 1 0 0 5 0 0 0 0 0 8 Orval Grove 1946-08-03 CHW WSH W 1-0 9.0 3 0 0 1 2 0 82 27 26 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 0 0 0 0 0 9 Ken McBride 1963-08-23 LAA WSA W 17-0 9.0 3 0 0 3 6 0 84 30 25 0 0 0 2 0 0 5 0 0 0 0 02 hit batsman does not help, but 3 pickoffs does not hurt.
From 1916 to 2012, Complete Game Shutout, (requiring baserunners_allow>=16)
Can we leave this crap behind? Let me play arbiter.
HW was commenting on the general state of the 74 Cubs defense but threw this in:
i don't know how you consider all of this and everything others has posted and then point to rick being nice in a quote and say that maybe the defense wasn't bad.
The Reuschel quote in question, the quote in which he was being a nice guy, was about a single game -- that 12-hit shutout. SoSH had pointed out that 12 hits does not, in and of itself, prove that the defense was bad that day.
If HW hadn't included the bit about the Reuschel quote, I assume SoSH would not have thought the post was directed at him. But nobody was saying the Reuschel quote meant the 74 Cubs played good defense on the whole so I'm not sure how that bit got into HW's post which, otherwise, seemed to be about the 74 Cubs as a whole.
So just a simple misunderstanding of how the Reuschel quote was being interpreted. Personally I'm guessing he was being sarcastic.
But maybe not. Looking at the box score, 6 of the 12 hits are coded as line drives. They appear to have been 4 for 16 on GB ... although I think that means I missed a hit so it must be 5 for 17. Anyway, that's a perfectly cromulent performance on the GB. Possibly some of those line drives should have been caught by the OF (Williams, Monday, Cardenal).
Who knows how good that coding is but if you give up 6 LDs you're usually gonna give up about 5 hits; you give up 17 GB and you're usually gonna give up about 5 hits. The 12th hit was apparently a flyball double (maybe should have been caught). So the Cub D seems to have done OK that day and, if those line drives were real line drives, some of those GB might have been hit pretty hard too suggesting they did play good defense.
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