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Friday, June 06, 2014

Daugherty: How healthy is healthy enough for Joey Votto?

Is there a Doc Daugherty in the house? (readies Ewald tube)

We only know what we see. Here’s what I see:

Mike Leake, making a third consecutive start Thursday, with a stiff neck he incurred last Sunday night against St. Louis. Getting knocked around, not using the neck as an excuse. “Hopefully, that tightness will just go away,’’ Leake offered.

“He competed his tail off,’’ Price noted.

I see Jay Bruce, playing 18 days after minor knee surgery. Not tearing it up, but doing what he can. Taking a further step back, I saw Brandon Phillips play half of last season with a bad wrist. All that did was mess up a very good personal year Phillips had going. But Phillips played, because the Reds were better with him in the games, even if he wasn’t all he could be.

Votto has been out almost three weeks. Price said Votto’s “soreness’’ is darned near gone. Awesome.

...To be clear: Votto didn’t want to go on the disabled list. Price says he’s the one responsible for keeping Votto on the mend, instead of in the lineup. And Votto’s durability isn’t suspect: He played in all 162 last year, and in 161 two years before that. But how healthy is healthy enough, and when does Votto get there?

Believe what you want. I believe if Votto insisted on playing, he would be playing. Superstars call shots everywhere, even in little places like Cincinnati. A manager is not going to say no to that guy, nor should he. Especially when the guy in question is as valuable as Votto is.

Price’s logic is, he wants Votto healthy enough that the injury doesn’t recur. OK. But at some point, as a player, don’t you have to grin and bear it?

...Like it or not, the sports ethos is to play with pain. Teammates respect it, owners expect it. It’s almost a given. Pain is in the contract. Even in early June, few players are in perfect health. By August, no one is.

The Reds can’t wait for Joey Votto to be perfect, or even close to it. They can’t afford to let a team currently 13th in the NL in runs scored squander any more good starting pitching. Because if they do, in very short order it won’t matter when Votto comes back, other than for his own numbers.

How healthy is healthy enough?

Only Joey Votto knows. Meantime, he’s progressing well.

Repoz Posted: June 06, 2014 at 06:35 PM | 15 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Moe Greene Posted: June 06, 2014 at 06:59 PM (#4720693)
It is astounding to me how negative the Reds' local media coverage is. I grew up there, and I still don't get it. But from what I remember, most of the locals eat it up. I recall numerous occasions where people said they loved Marty Brennaman because he would always 'tell it like it is' and not merely say how great the team was even if they weren't. And that was long ago, when Marty was only mildly crotchety, not the grouch he is now.

I just don't understand the compulsion Cincinnatians have with wanting to see the Reds in the most negative light possible.
   2. JJ1986 Posted: June 06, 2014 at 07:22 PM (#4720709)
Believe what you want.


The mantra of people who want their made-up ideas to be treated as fact.
   3. Sean Forman Posted: June 06, 2014 at 07:55 PM (#4720728)
kind of funny how he admits all of the dinged up players are playing less than stellar baseball, but doesn't see that you might be better off with healthy players playing.
   4. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: June 06, 2014 at 08:58 PM (#4720755)
Moe

On behalf of curmudgeons I want to distance our group from Marty

He's just mean
   5. PASTE Will Notice Harper When He Hits .467 (Zeth) Posted: June 06, 2014 at 09:13 PM (#4720762)
Oh my god, what did Joey Votto do to Paul Daughterty? Kidnap his kids? Murder his brother?
   6. vortex of dissipation Posted: June 06, 2014 at 09:50 PM (#4720772)
I've been a devout Reds fan for over 40 years, and never lived within 2,000 miles of the city. For that, I'm extremely glad, considering what I've heard of their broadcasts, and read in their press.
   7. Walt Davis Posted: June 07, 2014 at 12:48 AM (#4720838)
I'll assume that was Phillips' 2nd half last year. He hit 253/295/374, good for an 88 OPS+. He actually did rather well in Aug but put up the Sept line of 211/276/263. I will wager a guess that Cincy would have been better without Phillips in the lineup in Sept.

He had an even worse June at 209/269/279 and July was no great shakes either.

Prior to the injury, Votto had started 39 of 39 games. In 2013, Votto started 161 of 162 games.

What a ####### slacker!
   8. rr Posted: June 07, 2014 at 02:03 AM (#4720845)
I am a Reds fan, transplanted from that area of the country in childhood. I can obviously follow the team day-to-day in the digital age, but the announcing and the MSM writers are lame--it is the old Bill James thing about frustration leading to blaming the best players.

Marty Brennaman was hired in 1974. In his first game as a Reds' broadcaster, Hank Aaron hit #714. Then, of course, Brennaman was behind the mike for the peak of the Big Red Machine. I have always theorized that that may be why he is so grouchy now...there was just no way that it was going to get any better than it was when he started.
   9. PASTE Will Notice Harper When He Hits .467 (Zeth) Posted: June 07, 2014 at 08:53 AM (#4720854)
No, he's grouchy because he's a grouch.
   10. RMc is organizationalwide! Posted: June 07, 2014 at 09:02 AM (#4720857)
I just don't understand the compulsion Cincinnatians have with wanting to see (their team) in the most negative light possible.

New York and Boston say hi.
   11. RMc is organizationalwide! Posted: June 07, 2014 at 09:17 AM (#4720859)
I've been a devout Reds fan for over 40 years, and never lived within 2,000 miles of the city.

According to Google Earth, that wipes out almost the entire continental US except for Pacific coast; LA and San Fran are the only MLB cities further away (and just barely! Meanwhile, Seattle is 1,986 miles away).

This also excludes much of Canada (the Yukon Territory being the only part of that country >2K miles from Cincy) as well as all of Mexico, pretty much the entire Carribbean, and Central America north of Costa Rica. (And even a tiny piece of South America: the Venezuelan coast is just 1,989 miles distant!)

So, where do you live? The Yukon or Panama?
   12. PreservedFish Posted: June 07, 2014 at 09:47 AM (#4720863)
I certainly would not have guessed that Venezuela and Seattle are equidistant from Cincinnati.
   13. TDF, situational idiot Posted: June 07, 2014 at 11:19 AM (#4720878)
Paul Daugherty is an ass. He must love being thought of that way, because he goes out of his way every single day to prove it.
   14. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: June 07, 2014 at 01:12 PM (#4720925)
LA and San Fran are the only MLB cities further away


I think you mean Oakland and San Fran. The Oregon and Washington coasts are also outside the radius.
   15. vortex of dissipation Posted: June 07, 2014 at 01:54 PM (#4720937)
According to Google Earth, that wipes out almost the entire continental US except for Pacific coast; LA and San Fran are the only MLB cities further away (and just barely! Meanwhile, Seattle is 1,986 miles away).

This also excludes much of Canada (the Yukon Territory being the only part of that country >2K miles from Cincy) as well as all of Mexico, pretty much the entire Carribbean, and Central America north of Costa Rica. (And even a tiny piece of South America: the Venezuelan coast is just 1,989 miles distant!)

So, where do you live? The Yukon or Panama?


Either in England or north of Seattle.

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