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Wednesday, August 01, 2018

Dave Martinez couldn’t shore up Nats’ clubhouse

The media pressure builds:

These Nationals are fragile, and the man in the lead chair at the moment is made of porcelain.
Walt Davis Posted: August 01, 2018 at 06:22 PM | 23 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: childish behavior, dave martinez, mike rizzo, nationals

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   1. baerga1 Posted: August 02, 2018 at 09:58 AM (#5719546)
They make flooring and kitchen countertops out of porcelain these days.. It can be hard as hell.
   2. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 02, 2018 at 10:57 AM (#5719582)
Ask the Mets how effing "fragile" the Nats are.... Not that I'm bitter or anything...
   3. Batman Posted: August 02, 2018 at 11:11 AM (#5719595)
According to the column, Martinez's biggest flaw is that he's not panicky enough in what he says to the media.
   4. perros Posted: August 02, 2018 at 11:58 AM (#5719624)
When you change managers like underwear, you end up with a dysfunctional clubhouse.
   5. Zonk is a Doorknob Whisperer Posted: August 02, 2018 at 12:08 PM (#5719629)
On the plus side - dugout chokings continue to plummet.
   6. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: August 02, 2018 at 12:28 PM (#5719647)
Davey interviewed a lot before he got this head job. Maybe there's just something about him in interviews - bosses and media - that just rubs people the wrong way. It doesn't help him that he's following Dusty, someone who everyone (but fans) just seems to love. Maybe he's trying too hard to be Maddon-y and it comes across as less than authentic.

Regardless, he's getting blamed when a bunch of people underperform. It's the whole chemistry thing for managers, although I do think it is more true.
   7. Brian C Posted: August 02, 2018 at 12:37 PM (#5719653)
It seems like it would take a special set of circumstances for a first-time manager to succeed in a veteran clubhouse with a number of egos like Washington's. Seems like Martinez was set up to fail as soon as anything went wrong.

Also, he quite possibly sucks at his job. But it's hard to know.
   8. bfan Posted: August 02, 2018 at 12:42 PM (#5719662)
"Martinez said, “It stinks,” and he got just two hours of sleep. Rizzo neither tossed nor turned."

and the writer knows this, how? Does he really know that Rizzo was not troubled by the move?

My real point here is it occurs to be in a newsroom where practically every reporter for every minute of the say is trying their very best to find a source who will, off the record, undercut a rival or superior or spill something just for the thrill of being seen as important for a few minutes (or, to get laid, if you are on the national defense beat), I cannot see a person covering the 'Nats from doing the exact same thing, because that is all they see, and they assume that is how their job is done.

With that, you are going to get stuff like this: "...according to people with firsthand knowledge of the situation", which basically means an anonymous source just undercut his manager, but would not go on the record about it. I am not saying this kind of reporting is right or wrong (that is an argument for another day): it just is different than what you see with many other teams, where that just is not the angle that reporters live to cultivate and develop.
   9. Bote Man the walk-off king Posted: August 02, 2018 at 02:22 PM (#5719748)
On the plus side - public dugout chokings continue to plummet.

FTFY

We don't really know what is happening behind closed doors, especially in player-only meetings.
   10. Dennis Eclairskey, closer Posted: August 02, 2018 at 02:33 PM (#5719758)
Davey interviewed a lot before he got this head job. Maybe there's just something about him in interviews - bosses and media - that just rubs people the wrong way. It doesn't help him that he's following Dusty, someone who everyone (but fans) just seems to love. Maybe he's trying too hard to be Maddon-y and it comes across as less than authentic.

I know Martinez was Maddon’s right hand man for a while but I thought he would’ve gotten a manager job quicker than he did. I always wondered if the alleged Cindy Sandberg stuff maybe hurt his rep
   11. Bote Man the walk-off king Posted: August 02, 2018 at 02:33 PM (#5719759)
“I just think he’s a manager that you’re able to talk to each and every day,” said Martinez’s most vocal supporter in the dugout, Nats star Bryce Harper. “His door is wide open. He’ll do anything he can for anybody in this clubhouse.”

If Harper is Deivi's most vocal supporter, that tells me that Harper has carte blanche to do whatever he wants, which aligns with other reports that have trickled out recently that Harper rubs a number of players the wrong way.

I'm still keeping an eye out for Jayson Werth, interim Nationals manager.
   12. winnipegwhip Posted: August 02, 2018 at 04:36 PM (#5719864)
Bring back Frobby!!!
   13. Walt Davis Posted: August 02, 2018 at 06:33 PM (#5719938)
For those who didn't click through, the "porcelain" jab was from the article and I had tried to submit as a blockquote. Oh well. Seems to me I got that right in the past but not this time. I am generally agnostic on managers, especially of non-Cubs teams, cuz most of what they do, we don't see. But gripes like these, players publicly being childish, fundamental mistakes I do think are often signs the manager has either lost the clubhouse or (from Baker-Cubs) is never blaming the players for anything (which just loses the clubhouse in the other direction).

It's also kinda funny that after a 25-4 game, the heat seems to be on the winning manager.
   14. Fiore Gino Posted: August 02, 2018 at 08:26 PM (#5720012)
The Nats must be a maddening team to be a fan of: lots of up and down seasons despite a high payroll & marquee players couple with first round playoff flops when they do make the postseason
   15. Bote Man the walk-off king Posted: August 02, 2018 at 09:16 PM (#5720058)
True dat!
   16. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: August 03, 2018 at 09:42 AM (#5720180)
The Nats have a bit of a 2004 Red Sox vibe to them for me. This is an awfully talented team in my opinion with a potentially potent rotation that just hasn't put it together. It's gotten lost to the pages of history a bit but that Sox team was really viewed as a disappointment for a large portion of the season before turning it on in August. I won't be shocked if the Nats do something similar. If they can get the rotation healthy and right they could rip off 18 out of 21 or something like that and be three games up in a hurry.
   17. Bote Man the walk-off king Posted: August 03, 2018 at 10:16 AM (#5720195)
A big contributor to the Nats' failure has been injuries to enough key players that it hurt them. The notable exception has been Juan Soto who is a revelation; the other replacements have performed as you would expect replacements to perform.

Even so, it's the manager's job to optimize his team's chances of winning and it's arguable that Deivi hasn't done that very well.
   18. Sweatpants Posted: August 03, 2018 at 11:46 AM (#5720231)
Is there some Dave Martinez-Deivi Cruz connection I'm missing that makes referring to Martinez as "Deivi" the slightest bit clever?
   19. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: August 03, 2018 at 01:59 PM (#5720324)

The Nats have a 61-47 Pythagorean record. And that's with Harper playing like a below-average player. If they played to Pythag and Harper played more like the 5-6 win player that he should be, the Nats would have the best record in the league.

Not sure they can make up enough ground to make the playoffs but I wouldn't write them off yet.
   20. Sunday silence Posted: August 03, 2018 at 03:14 PM (#5720405)
Well the past week of 25-4 routs and team dissension has lessened the Nats WS victory chances from 5.2 to 4%; at least according to fangraphs.

They're still 20x more likely to win the WS than PIT.

Oh the other thing: why is the title of the article written in the past tense? Like Martinez wont be here for long or he's already left or something.

   21. Bote Man the walk-off king Posted: August 04, 2018 at 01:37 AM (#5720817)
Is there some Dave Martinez-Deivi Cruz connection I'm missing that makes referring to Martinez as "Deivi" the slightest bit clever?

I'm not trying to be clever, simply making a distinction between a good manager (Davey Johnson) and this lost soul Deivi Martinez. We were told that he goes by "Davey", but that's ambiguous around these parts.
   22. Sunday silence Posted: August 04, 2018 at 03:33 AM (#5720821)
Well "Deivi" isnt exactly the epitome of preciseness either.
   23. Bote Man the walk-off king Posted: August 04, 2018 at 10:29 AM (#5720848)
I put up with railfans nitpicking things to death, you guys can't hold a candle to that bunch!

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