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Friday, September 07, 2012

MASN: Davey Johnson: “We don’t start things, but we’re not going to completely back down”

Michael Gonzalez got involved with Cubs reliever Manny Corpas, and the two of them were ejected. Cubs catcher Steve Clevenger was also ejected after he pushed Michael Morse, an act which riled up Edwin Jackson, Sean Burnett and other Nats players.

“One guy came over the top and tried to hit somebody and that was Corpas and that created a ruckus and then the catcher pushed Michael Morse and Jackson was right there with him and shoved him,” Johnson said. “That’s again frustration from a team that’s having a rough year. But I was proud of my guys for not really over reacting and taking a chance. We’re in a pennant race. We’ve got to be model citizens.

“We don’t start things but we’re not going to completely back down from anything. But that was, you worry about somebody getting hurt or somebody getting suspended because of something they did. I had a conversation with several of the guys and (said), ‘We just can’t react. Even if somebody got smoked, we can’t hit somebody.’ They, one guy came over the top and tried to hit somebody, that didn’t help things.”

Morse was particularly upset about being shoved by Clevenger, and he wasn’t alone.

“That’s what really aggravated my guys and I don’t blame ‘em,” Johnson said. “I’d have been the same way. I’d have probably popped him.”

Thanks to Drew.

Repoz Posted: September 07, 2012 at 05:46 AM | 70 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Joey B. Posted: September 07, 2012 at 08:11 AM (#4229048)
Man, what a bunch of disgraceful, bush league, sad-sack losers the Cubs are. Your mentally deranged bench coach is ticked off because of a guy swinging at a 3-0 pitch with just a five run lead in the fifth inning? Are you freaking kidding me?

It's just unfortunate that we don't get any more opportunities to beat your sorry asses this year. Go back to the north side and try to get better, you punk losers.
   2. Chris Needham Posted: September 07, 2012 at 09:16 AM (#4229086)
What I thought was hilarious was that they thought the Nats should call off the dogs with a 5-run lead in the fifth inning, yet in the bottom of the inning, they switched pitchers for a lefty-lefty matchup. Is it a blowout or a close game? Make up your damn mind.

(The icing, of course, was Adam LaRoche smacking that lefty's pitch into the bleachers...)
   3. toratoratora Posted: September 07, 2012 at 09:43 AM (#4229118)
The Cubs came off real bad here. First they look like clowns for objecting about the swing, then they compound the problem by throwing at Harper (Why Bryce and not Zimmerman? I guess the "face of the franchise torch has been fully passed).
That was pathetic.
   4. stanmvp48 Posted: September 07, 2012 at 09:44 AM (#4229123)
"It is a close game for anyone else but a blow out for us because we suck".
   5. Joey B. Posted: September 07, 2012 at 10:06 AM (#4229165)
According to Steinberg in the Post, on the Cubs broadcast Brenly and Kasper actually had the nerve to pull some bullsh*t out of their behinds that the reason they were getting their brains beaten in was because the Nats were stealing their signs! Even their announcers are losers.
   6. ThisElevatorIsDrivingMeUpTheWall Posted: September 07, 2012 at 10:07 AM (#4229166)
I was at the game last year where the Nats blew the eight-run lead to the Cubs, and was also at the game this year where the Nats blew the nine-run lead to the Braves (before you Nats fans start telling me I have to stop going to these games, they are 13-5 when I'm there this year). A five run lead, as Davey says, is nothing. I don't quite understand the 3-0 thing, I mean, is it better to let the bum pitcher walk you rather than fouling off that pitch? I'll admit I kind of raised an eyebrow about Desmond stealing, but that was more because the guy hadn't run full speed in weeks.

   7. JJ1986 Posted: September 07, 2012 at 10:07 AM (#4229167)
the reason they were getting their brains beaten in was because the Nats were stealing their signs!


That would only make sense if every other team in the NL was stealing their signs too.
   8. ThisElevatorIsDrivingMeUpTheWall Posted: September 07, 2012 at 10:09 AM (#4229168)
That's funny, I was starting to think Zimmermann must be tipping his pitches, the way the Cubs were hacking at him early in the game. Turns out they were just getting WAY too much of the plate.
   9. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: September 07, 2012 at 10:13 AM (#4229170)
I'm not sure why the Cubs would even have a "Be bad at baseball" sign worth stealing.
   10. Chris Needham Posted: September 07, 2012 at 10:29 AM (#4229180)
What's the sign for dick-high-fastball-with-nothing-on-it?
   11. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: September 07, 2012 at 10:39 AM (#4229194)
A five run lead, as Davey says, is nothing.
Especially given that, just up I-95 that very same friggin' night, the Yankees...scored five runs in the 6th inning to roar back from a 6-1 deficit to a tie ballgame. As if proof were needed, well you can't ask for better proof than that.
   12. Charles S. will not yield to this monkey court Posted: September 07, 2012 at 10:40 AM (#4229196)
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that DC fans don't know how to win with a little class. It is the city's first winning team in what, a half a century or more? Enjoy it while it lasts. If history is any guide, your high-quality fanbase will just drive the team to another city in a few years anyway.

And why pick on the Cubs? They're just following the Nats strategy of sucking as hard as they can to get a first round pick, and then celebrating their scouting genius when they shock everyone by discovering a hidden gem like Bryce Harper.
   13. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: September 07, 2012 at 10:42 AM (#4229200)
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that DC fans don't kow how to win with a little class. It is the city's first winning team in what, a half a century or more? Enjoy it while it lasts. If history is any guide, your high-quality fanbase will just drive the team to another city in a few years anyway.
???
   14. Charles S. will not yield to this monkey court Posted: September 07, 2012 at 10:49 AM (#4229209)
Especially given that, just up I-95 that very same friggin' night, the Yankees...scored five runs in the 6th inning to roar back from a 6-1 deficit to a tie ballgame. As if proof were needed, well you can't ask for better proof than that.

Good point. The Cubs line-up last night looked just like the Yankees.
   15. JJ1986 Posted: September 07, 2012 at 10:51 AM (#4229212)
I will never understand the "playing to win is disrespectful" crowd. In my mind, ceasing to play hard because you are sure that you will win is what's disrespecting the other team.
   16. Joey B. Posted: September 07, 2012 at 10:56 AM (#4229220)
I will never understand the "playing to win is disrespectful" crowd. In my mind, ceasing to play hard because you are sure that you will win is what's disrespecting the other team.

It's silly whiny loser talk, and very unbecoming at the pro level. Jamie Quirk should either go coach Little League ball or make himself an appointment to see a mental therapist if he can't handle himself in a more professional manner.
   17. pikepredator Posted: September 07, 2012 at 11:05 AM (#4229229)
Davey Johnson gave the money quote that is all too rare:

"If they want to quit competing and forfeit, then fine. But we're going to keep competing."

This is professional baseball, not some cupcake mismatch in college football where having 3rd stringers run the ball is an acceptable mode of reigning in a blowout.
   18. TerpNats Posted: September 07, 2012 at 11:07 AM (#4229233)
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that DC fans don't know how to win with a little class. It is the city's first winning team in what, a half a century or more? Enjoy it while it lasts. If history is any guide, your high-quality fanbase will just drive the team to another city in a few years anyway.
The franchise's current owners have no plans to sell the team, and certainly not to anyone named Griffith or Short.
   19. McCoy Posted: September 07, 2012 at 11:13 AM (#4229241)
The Cusb are losing and they have a roster built for losing at this point in time. I think for the most part what happened was just the management guys venting some frustration. Their shvtty roster got their brains beaten in for 4 games and I doubt Dale and crew took that well or have taken the season well and any little thing is probably going to set them off at this point.
   20. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: September 07, 2012 at 11:21 AM (#4229254)
I think I'm a lot more of a "don't show up the other team" guy than most around here but a five run game in the 5th inning? There isn't a baseball league in the world where that is an insurmountable lead. If it was 12-1 in the 8th and Werth did that I could get being upset but 7-2 in the fifth? No way.

I think McCoy is right though, the Cubs have to be pretty frustrated. It's been a lousy year and that's going to boil over at times at this point.
   21. Kurt Posted: September 07, 2012 at 11:24 AM (#4229263)
It is the city's first winning team in what, a half a century or more? Enjoy it while it lasts. If history is any guide, your high-quality fanbase will just drive the team to another city in a few years anyway.

And why pick on the Cubs? They're just following the Nats strategy of sucking as hard as they can to get a first round pick, and then celebrating their scouting genius when they shock everyone by discovering a hidden gem like Bryce Harper.


Class, ladies and gentlemen!

(to be fair, it's accurate "class" - this season has certainly been driven by Bryce Harper and eight midgets in the lineup, and Strasburg and a pack of bums in the rotation)
   22. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: September 07, 2012 at 11:36 AM (#4229287)
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that DC fans don't know how to win with a little class. It is the city's first winning team in what, a half a century or more? Enjoy it while it lasts.

The Nats' starting lineup averages 27.4 years old, and their key bench players are all under 30.

The 5 members of the Nats' pitching rotation are all between 23 and 28 years old, and when Strasburg gets shelved, his replacement (Lannan) is 27.

And the oldest key member of the bullpen is 29.

   23. Guapo Posted: September 07, 2012 at 11:44 AM (#4229298)
Yeah, it's a shame the Cubs haven't had any high draft choices they could use to rebuild their team in recent years. Well, I'm sure their player development team is very pleased with how Josh Vitters has worked out.
   24. Bruce Markusen Posted: September 07, 2012 at 01:03 PM (#4229421)
Is Quirk out of his mind? Does he really expect the other team to stop playing to win in the fifth inning?
   25. Don Geovany Soto (chris h.) Posted: September 07, 2012 at 01:05 PM (#4229425)
I'm a huge Cub fan and defender, but this was absolutely pathetic.

I hate that "don't show up the other team" nonsense anyway, but a 5 run lead? You'd have to be dopey to think that meant take your foot off the gas.

Nitwits.
   26. Don Geovany Soto (chris h.) Posted: September 07, 2012 at 01:06 PM (#4229427)
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that DC fans don't know how to win with a little class. It is the city's first winning team in what, a half a century or more? Enjoy it while it lasts. If history is any guide, your high-quality fanbase will just drive the team to another city in a few years anyway.

You must be out of your damned mind.
   27. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: September 07, 2012 at 01:08 PM (#4229432)
Well, I'm sure their player development team is very pleased with how Josh Vitters has worked out.


I didn't know it was possible to have an OPS+ of -25!

In Vitters' defense, the only 2 guys in the PCL who are younger than him and had a higher OPS were Rizzo and Wil Myers. Even though he's taken forever to get this far and has been exceptionally terrible in Chicago (and to my eye looks like a AAAA hitter), he's still got a chance at a career.

Which is not to say that Wieters wouldn't look a lot better in a Cubs uniform.
   28. Bourbon Samurai Posted: September 07, 2012 at 01:16 PM (#4229440)
And why pick on the Cubs?


Umm...because the Cubs were screaming from the dugout and throwing at players because they were losing?
   29. Bug Selig Posted: September 07, 2012 at 01:42 PM (#4229472)
And why pick on the Cubs?


Umm...because the Cubs were screaming from the dugout and throwing at players because they were losing?


I think a wonderful response by the Nats to the Cubs a-holery would be to start saying terrible things about the Colorado Rockies and throwing baseballs at Paul Spoljaric, wherever the hell he is. Seriously, has a team ever gotten into a brouhaha, a rhubarb, dare I say a melee with somebody other than the team they are playing?
   30. charityslave is thinking about baseball Posted: September 07, 2012 at 03:01 PM (#4229577)
There are 2 Nats regulars who have a slugging %age over .500. LaRoche is the team leader at .511. Can you name the other?
   31. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: September 07, 2012 at 03:08 PM (#4229589)
Fun fact: Washington did not have a World Series team from 1972-2004. Neither did Chicago.
   32. jack the seal clubber (on the sidelines of life) Posted: September 07, 2012 at 03:09 PM (#4229590)
I came late to the thread, so none of this is new thought. Just want to add

1) This is my absolute pet peeve..football, baseball, whatever...that teams are supposed to know and abide by the unwritten rules about when you should stop playing and curl up in a ball. I don't have to bring up the game the Nats lost with a nine run lead to believe that, as Herm Edwards said, you play to win the game. I'm sure if Werth intentionally struck out and the Cubs rallied, they would have been gentlemen and stopped scoring after they got within a run. And this thinking is continually endorsed by ex-players, not all of them as much of a posturing moron as Jamie Quirk.

2) The idiotic comments about DC fans being losers....for years, we listen to Red Sox this and Phillies that and we own your ballpark, etc and now that the Nationals have a good team..radio silence is required. In my experience Nationals fans are as well behaved as any in baseball, and less obnoxious than most. How can a Cub fan call anyone a loser?
   33. jack the seal clubber (on the sidelines of life) Posted: September 07, 2012 at 03:12 PM (#4229595)
There are 2 Nats regulars who have a slugging %age over .500. LaRoche is the team leader at .511. Can you name the other?


Desmond
   34. Joey B. Posted: September 07, 2012 at 03:18 PM (#4229603)
for years, we listen to Red Sox this and Phillies that and we own your ballpark, etc and now that the Nationals have a good team..radio silence is required

Thank you; you just nailed right on the head what irks me most of all. For most of the better part of seven years the Nationals got nothing but grief around here. Now that we in D.C finally have a legitimately good ballclub we can be proud of, the haters get all pissy if we dare to be happy about it. Speaking for myself only, if anyone doesn't like it that's just too damn bad. What goes around comes around.
   35. charityslave is thinking about baseball Posted: September 07, 2012 at 03:23 PM (#4229608)
Desmond


Winner, winner,chicken dinner!
   36. Don Geovany Soto (chris h.) Posted: September 07, 2012 at 03:29 PM (#4229617)
Thank you; you just nailed right on the head what irks me most of all. For most of the better part of seven years the Nationals got nothing but grief around here. Now that we in D.C finally have a legitimately good ballclub we can be proud of, the haters get all pissy if we dare to be happy about it. Speaking for myself only, if anyone doesn't like it that's just too damn bad. What goes around comes around.

Oh please, let's not go all martyr-y. There has been a grand total of ONE hater in this thread with respect to the Nats.

Others may complain, Joey, but they're complaining about you being an #######, not about Nats fans or the Nats in general.
   37. McCoy Posted: September 07, 2012 at 03:33 PM (#4229622)
Thank you; you just nailed right on the head what irks me most of all. For most of the better part of seven years the Nationals got nothing but grief around here. Now that we in D.C finally have a legitimately good ballclub we can be proud of, the haters get all pissy if we dare to be happy about it. Speaking for myself only, if anyone doesn't like it that's just too damn bad. What goes around comes around.

The problem is how you show you're proud of the team. It gives off a very insecure vibe. Like I said in the other thread you guys need to adopt a swagger and what you're showing isn't that.
   38. Kurt Posted: September 07, 2012 at 03:39 PM (#4229630)
Like I said in the other thread you guys need to adopt a swagger and what you're showing isn't that.

What "guys"? Joey is the only one who acts like Joey.
   39. Joey B. Posted: September 07, 2012 at 03:42 PM (#4229634)
If you adopt too much swagger too quickly, people will (rightly) respond by saying "you guys haven't even done anything yet".

Most fans have swagger when they are dominating, but they start pissing their pants as though as the going starts to get a little tough. Just take a look at some of the A.L. East/Yankees threads here the last few days.
   40. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: September 07, 2012 at 03:57 PM (#4229643)
If you adopt too much swagger too quickly, people will (rightly) respond by saying "you guys haven't even done anything yet".
Exactly. Swagger? McCoy, the Nats have exactly zero playoff appearances and, before this year, zero seasons above .500. Their fans have zero experience with winning baseball. I fully expect them to run into a Cincinnati- or Atlanta-shaped bulldozer in the playoffs and get swept away like so much highway debris. It's wholly uncharted territory for the team and its fans, and right now the sense of emotional vindication for the long-suffering fans is matched by a fear that it could all go kaput.

Also, in somewhat related news, I think Nats fans are f**king tired of hearing everyone else in the nation say, as if with one unified voice, that the team is criminally deranged, dooming its postseason, and "letting down the fans" by shutting down Strasburg. Just the other day I heard some idiot on a national radio show say that "players won't want to sign and play with the Nationals for years to come" because the FO has apparently 'betrayed' the club with this sinister, unplanned, surprise move (that was announced in November of last year). It's just so painfully stupid, and you get the sense that people think the only reason the Nationals have succeeded is because of Strasburg.
   41. Don Geovany Soto (chris h.) Posted: September 07, 2012 at 04:02 PM (#4229649)
The problem is how you show you're proud of the team. It gives off a very insecure vibe. Like I said in the other thread you guys need to adopt a swagger and what you're showing isn't that.

I'm reasonably certain that nobody gives a flying #### what you think is the "proper" attitude for Nats fans.

Christ, the things people will argue about.
   42. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: September 07, 2012 at 04:04 PM (#4229652)
I will never understand the "playing to win is disrespectful" crowd. In my mind, ceasing to play hard because you are sure that you will win is what's disrespecting the other team.

In a lot of contexts, you can in fact be sure that you will win. In baseball obviously there's no clock, so there aren't many scenarios like that. In professional baseball obviously there aren't a lot of total mismatches, so it's even rarer. But even in MLB, teams constantly cease to play hard in the 8th or 9th innings. Nothing disrespectful about it.

But in the 5th inning? Crazy.
   43. jack the seal clubber (on the sidelines of life) Posted: September 07, 2012 at 04:13 PM (#4229666)
I'm remaining optimistic on the post-season but I won't be shocked if the Reds take the Nats out, and I won't feel that the season is a failure..been a great year so far. The Jordan Z. outing was a big one..he is going to have to take the Nats into that terrifying, hopeless Strasburgless void that is the playoffs.
   44. TerpNats Posted: September 07, 2012 at 04:15 PM (#4229669)
Also, in somewhat related news, I think Nats fans are f**king tired of hearing everyone else in the nation say, as if with one unified voice, that the team is criminally deranged, dooming its postseason, and "letting down the fans" by shutting down Strasburg. Just the other day I heard some idiot on a national radio show say that "players won't want to sign and play with the Nationals for years to come" because the FO has apparently 'betrayed' the club with this sinister, unplanned, surprise move (that was announced in November of last year). It's just so painfully stupid, and you get the sense that people think the only reason the Nationals have succeeded is because of Strasburg.
South of Charlottesville, west of Martinsburg, W.Va., and north of Hagerstown, Md., people believe the Nationals are comprised of Strasburg, Harper, Ryan Zimmerman and 22 nobodies. That's what relative absence from Fox and ESPN gets you.
   45. rr Posted: September 07, 2012 at 04:17 PM (#4229672)
Reds take the Nats out,


As a Reds fan, I would make the Nats slight favorties in that matchup. The Reds have some lineup issues. I strongly suspect that either the Reds or the Nats will lose in the division series.
   46. Joey B. Posted: September 07, 2012 at 04:25 PM (#4229681)
South of Charlottesville, west of Martinsburg, W.Va., and north of Hagerstown, Md., people believe the Nationals are comprised of Strasburg, Harper, Ryan Zimmerman and 22 nobodies. That's what relative absence from Fox and ESPN gets you.

I suspect about 98% of the people living inside the Beltway believe the same thing, thanks to what is probably the worst big city local sports coverage in the entire country.

Fun fact: as I got in the car to go to work yesterday morning, I turned on the radio and the very first thing I heard the hosts talking about was celebrity sex tapes. I swear I'm not making this up. This is just how the local sports media in this town is.
   47. McCoy Posted: September 07, 2012 at 05:12 PM (#4229729)
I'm reasonably certain that nobody gives a flying #### what you think is the "proper" attitude for Nats fans.

Christ, the things people will argue about.


So you are complaining about the things people will argue about while arguing with me about what what I think Nats fans should. You don't see the flaw in that?
   48. smileyy Posted: September 07, 2012 at 05:23 PM (#4229735)
What's the sign for dick-high-fastball-with-nothing-on-it?


There's lots of funny stuff on BBTF, but this one still has me chuckling.
   49. Bourbon Samurai Posted: September 07, 2012 at 05:29 PM (#4229738)
As a Reds fan, I would make the Nats slight favorties in that matchup. The Reds have some lineup issues. I strongly suspect that either the Reds or the Nats will lose in the division series.


it's funny the things you see when you watch a team regularly. I've made a point to watch the reds 2 or 3 times and they look tough as nails to me.
   50. jingoist Posted: September 07, 2012 at 05:37 PM (#4229741)
The highly venerated Washington Post gives the Nationals a 3" side strip on the front of the sports page whenever they write up the previous nights game results.
The remaining 12" of headlines/story are given over to the daily musings of the Redskins management on whether or not the 3rd string tight end has a chance to break out this year.

Washington loves them some Redskins.
Washington barely acknowledges baseball.

Hopefully this will cahnge as the Nationals succeed in the coming months and years.

But it does get old when the Deadskins get all the press - and top billing on the nightly newscasts - regardless of the Nat's success
   51. Don Geovany Soto (chris h.) Posted: September 07, 2012 at 05:38 PM (#4229742)
I'm reasonably certain that nobody gives a flying #### what you think is the "proper" attitude for Nats fans.

Christ, the things people will argue about.


So you are complaining about the things people will argue about while arguing with me about what what I think Nats fans should. You don't see the flaw in that?

If you can't see the difference between you lecturing Nats fans on how they should think, and me telling you that you're a prick for doing so, then I really can't help you.
   52. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: September 07, 2012 at 05:43 PM (#4229744)
The Cubs are just a bunch of turds out there. Can't pitch, can't hit. Just a bunch of turds.
   53. charityslave is thinking about baseball Posted: September 07, 2012 at 06:00 PM (#4229753)
I don't know why, but that word (the T one) grosses me out. My kids aren't allowed to say it and must instead refer to it as "the brown word".
   54. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: September 07, 2012 at 06:35 PM (#4229765)
The Cubs are just a bunch of turds out there. Can't pitch, can't hit. Just a bunch of turds.
AWESOME.

My girlfriend and I use this line or some variation of it literally once a day, or thereabouts. We try and shoehorn it into pretty much every context we can plausibly fit it into. I have no idea WHY it's become our go-to Arrested Development quote -- maybe the matter-of-fact brutality of the way George Sr. delivers it -- but it has.
   55. jack the seal clubber (on the sidelines of life) Posted: September 07, 2012 at 09:19 PM (#4229822)
Fun fact: as I got in the car to go to work yesterday morning, I turned on the radio and the very first thing I heard the hosts talking about was celebrity sex tapes. I swear I'm not making this up. This is just how the local sports media in this town is.


had to be the Junkies on 106.7. The amount of substance they bring to the Nationals coverage is nil, although compared to Mike Wise, (speaking of turds), they sound like Vin Scully. I have to agree; the only worthwhile local coverage are the guys on MASN, Phil Wood, etc. The Post sucks.
   56. Bourbon Samurai Posted: September 07, 2012 at 10:44 PM (#4229867)
y kids aren't allowed to say it and must instead refer to it as "the brown word".


That is a thousand times dirtier than turd
   57. boteman Posted: September 07, 2012 at 11:54 PM (#4229922)
Washington loves them some Redskins.
Washington barely acknowledges baseball.


Washington POST loves them some Redskins.
Washington POST barely acknowledges baseball.

Fixed that for you!

Why assume that the editorial choices of a dying industry reflects "right" thinking or even the thinking of the majority of fans?

I know what I like and I don't need the Post, ESPN, or any other outlet deciding that for me. I follow my teams the best way I can and it doesn't depend on any of the entities that I mentioned. My calendar reads 2012.
   58. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: September 08, 2012 at 12:10 AM (#4229936)
Brandon McCarthy is in life-threatening intensive care due to a ball to the head, yet Bryce Harper still walks among us. There is no god.
   59. Bourbon Samurai Posted: September 08, 2012 at 12:24 AM (#4229956)
Sam: Shut up.

Boteman/Jingoist:

The 80/90's Redskins won 3 super bowls and another NFC championship. The baseball team hasn't done #### all since the 30's and dissapeared twice. This is a great team, but its really come out of nowhere. It will take time for it to really build a fanbase.

But it has been a lot of fun to see the attitude during games change.
   60. Nineto Lezcano needs to get his shit together (CW) Posted: September 08, 2012 at 12:25 AM (#4229957)
Exactly. Swagger? McCoy, the Nats have exactly zero playoff appearances and, before this year, zero seasons above .500. Their fans have zero experience with winning baseball. I fully expect them to run into a Cincinnati- or Atlanta-shaped bulldozer in the playoffs and get swept away like so much highway debris. It's wholly uncharted territory for the team and its fans, and right now the sense of emotional vindication for the long-suffering fans is matched by a fear that it could all go kaput.


Yeah, the way to argue with a Cubs fan here is to tell him that the NATIONALS have long-suffering fans. I'll agree that the Cubs are comporting themselves very poorly right now, and that if they have to suck this much they should do it with a bit more grace, but... long-suffering? That's a bit of a twist of the knife there.
   61. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: September 08, 2012 at 12:28 AM (#4229964)
Sam: Shut up.


If your #####'s all sore like that, rub some dirt on it and take your base.
   62. McCoy Posted: September 08, 2012 at 12:35 AM (#4229969)
If you can't see the difference between you lecturing Nats fans on how they should think, and me telling you that you're a prick for doing so, then I really can't help you.

So you wish to continue to argue with me?
   63. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: September 08, 2012 at 04:39 AM (#4230037)
Others may complain, Joey, but they're complaining about you being an #######, not about Nats fans or the Nats in general.


Truth.
   64. Greg K Posted: September 08, 2012 at 07:57 AM (#4230056)
You know, I literally had no idea that swinging at a 3-0 pitch was something you didn't do in a blow out. Not that this was necessarily a blow-out, or that I agree with the principle of not doing those other things in a blow-out...but just that swinging at a 3-0 pitch was even something the other team cared about never even crossed my mind. I was watching the game with my Nats-fan friend who is relatively new to baseball and I had a very difficult time explaining to him why the Cubs cared that Werth swung. (His wife, who knows even less about baseball, was absolutely befuddled. She also got extremely angry at the Cubs for intentionally walking Adam LaRoche, which she didn't think was sporting).

I thought the principle of taking on 3-0 was that you get to see a pitch and there's no sense risking being a bit fooled and popping out on one. Personally I always thought 3-0 is a bit wasted by flat-out taking...I'd have thought looking for one VERY specific pitch in one VERY specific location and ignoring all else would be a good strategy. Of course, in all of this discussion I don't see why the opposing team has any business worrying about what you do. As I say, this isn't even a "should there be unwritten rules in a blow-out" discussion. To me this seems akin to a team getting angry that their opponents threw a breaking ball in 2-0 count, or shaded their CF to pull...what business is it of theirs?
   65. Swedish Chef Posted: September 08, 2012 at 08:15 AM (#4230061)
If your #####'s all sore like that, rub some dirt on it and take your base.

Your schtick is as thin as rice paper at this point, you're nothing but a common internet troll.
   66. Joey B. Posted: September 08, 2012 at 09:27 AM (#4230074)
Yeah, look at who suddenly crawls out of the political woodwork when his team gets three shutouts in a row.

Of course if they lose today he'll crawl right back in there and disappear again for a while. The schtick is kind of hilarious, but it manages to be cowardly and pathetic at the same time.
   67. Greg K Posted: September 08, 2012 at 09:31 AM (#4230075)
it manages to be cowardly and pathetic at the same time.

It's been my experience that most cowards are pretty pathetic.

Now if one could combine grace and cowardice that would be a feat!
   68. Bourbon Samurai Posted: September 08, 2012 at 10:10 AM (#4230088)
Now if one could combine grace and cowardice that would be a feat!


Sort of the Neville Chamberlain approach.
   69. Joey B. Posted: September 08, 2012 at 11:55 AM (#4230165)
Braves fans and Nationals fans will never go to war with each other again.
   70. jack the seal clubber (on the sidelines of life) Posted: September 08, 2012 at 12:01 PM (#4230175)
News in that Strasburg is now shut down for year

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