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Monday, August 13, 2018

David Bote hits walk-off grand slam for Cubs | MLB.com

This is a pretty nice way to end a game.

Jim Furtado Posted: August 13, 2018 at 10:15 AM | 95 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Zonk is a Doorknob Whisperer Posted: August 13, 2018 at 10:21 AM (#5725619)
Bids are now open for a slightly used Kris Bryant.
   2. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 13, 2018 at 10:27 AM (#5725620)
I went to bed after Kintzler shat the bed. Worst decision since I gave up on Illinois with them down by double digits to Arizona.
   3. McCoy Posted: August 13, 2018 at 10:29 AM (#5725621)
More like slightly used Anthony Rizzo.
   4. bunyon Posted: August 13, 2018 at 10:33 AM (#5725623)
Man, it really isn't the Nats year. Or decade.
   5. Spahn Insane Posted: August 13, 2018 at 10:37 AM (#5725626)
Somewhere, Joey B is wailing in anguish. Violins, please...
   6. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: August 13, 2018 at 10:38 AM (#5725627)
Has anyone checked on Bote Man?
   7. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: August 13, 2018 at 10:40 AM (#5725628)
29th Ultimate Slam ever:

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/history/rare_feats/index.jsp?feature=ultimate_slam
   8. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 13, 2018 at 10:40 AM (#5725630)
Just to clarify from the Omnichatter last night - I assume you guys know this already, but when I posted "that's the ballgame" after Zimmerman's hit, of course I meant "that's the ballgame" because it was only a single and only drove in two runs, thus keeping the score to 3-0, i.e. within Boteing range.
   9. Stormy JE Posted: August 13, 2018 at 10:41 AM (#5725631)
Bote Man expects disappointment. At this point, he might even embrace it.
   10. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 13, 2018 at 10:43 AM (#5725634)
Wasn't even really a bad pitch - I'm sure it got more of the plate than Madsen intended, but it was just below the knees.

EDIT: Catcher was set up for low and outside, so he did miss his spot by a fair amount.
   11. Zonk is a Doorknob Whisperer Posted: August 13, 2018 at 10:45 AM (#5725636)
I am also proud of Bill Murray for staying for the end...
   12. Zonk is a Doorknob Whisperer Posted: August 13, 2018 at 10:49 AM (#5725640)
Wasn't even really a bad pitch - I'm sure it got more of the plate than Madsen intended, but it was just below the knees.


Problem was that it was the same place that Bote took a pretty healthy strike one cut at and the same place he got a fairly questionable called strike two.

   13. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 13, 2018 at 10:50 AM (#5725642)
29th Ultimate Slam ever:
You mean the Ultimate Papa Slam.
   14. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: August 13, 2018 at 10:52 AM (#5725644)
We don't use that word around here, Elroy.
   15. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 13, 2018 at 10:53 AM (#5725647)
It's ok, I'm part Italian, so it's fine for me to use it.
   16. eric Posted: August 13, 2018 at 10:56 AM (#5725651)
Not to quibble, but according to wikipedia this was the 30th. And the 15th to occur with two outs, so rarer than a perfect game. This one also had two strikes, but it's not clear how many got that far. Apparently Alan Trammell and Chris Hoiles both hit full-count, two-out, ultimates. Clemente has the only ITPUGS.
   17. Mefisto Posted: August 13, 2018 at 10:58 AM (#5725653)
It's pretty amazing that Bobby Thomson has one of these in addition to his more famous HR. I guess he's the guy you want when the clutch is at its clutchiest.
   18. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: August 13, 2018 at 11:00 AM (#5725654)
There's no way in hell Harper's staying in Washington.
   19. SoSH U at work Posted: August 13, 2018 at 11:02 AM (#5725656)

It's ok, I'm part Italian


That's a trait you don't share with Papa John's Inc.
   20. McCoy Posted: August 13, 2018 at 11:05 AM (#5725663)
The 2019 Seattle Mariners welcome him with open arms and wallet.
   21. bunyon Posted: August 13, 2018 at 11:06 AM (#5725665)
Forget a trade, Harper may just move to New York in September.
   22. Zonk is a Doorknob Whisperer Posted: August 13, 2018 at 11:06 AM (#5725666)
It'll be interesting to see what happens with Bote's roster status...

Bryant still hasn't swung against living pitching, so Bote's increasingly looking safe to make it till roster expansion. Indeed - kidding aside - starting to get a bit concerned that KB might be the Darvish plan of not making it back this year at all.

Hopefully/I would think that come postseason - they drop a chaff arm to carry Bote.

Next year, though? Roster crunch time. Bote still having options might really screw him. Or - TLS might be non-tendered/dealt. Of course, TLS's primary PH value is that he's a LHB.... but, I suppose Happ is better against RHP and Zobrist is pretty split neutral. Barring a trade - Bote's emergence probably means TLS's Cubs career is in its final months.
   23. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 13, 2018 at 11:10 AM (#5725669)
The Italian in me thinks that maybe LaStella is still around next year, if Bote should meet with an...unfortunate accident. Like maybe eating some bad pizza or something.
   24. McCoy Posted: August 13, 2018 at 11:12 AM (#5725672)
Bote has 90 PA and he'll probably get 100 to 150 more PA this year. Still plenty of time for him to come back down to earth.
   25. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: August 13, 2018 at 11:24 AM (#5725680)
A WPA of .901. Not bad.
   26. Man o' Schwar Posted: August 13, 2018 at 11:34 AM (#5725689)
That was the best night I've had watching the Cubs since Game 7 in 2016. I sat up for an hour after the game just rewatching the video every couple of minutes, then spent another half hour or so rewatching it with the Pat Hughes call. If he weren't already gone, I think this might have killed Harry.

And I loved Bote's reaction. Knew it was gone immediately, flip the bat like a boss, and then just pure elation around the bases. If you're David Bote, it's hard to imagine you'll ever have a better moment in baseball than that one (most players don't ever come close). Drink it in, man.

   27. Man o' Schwar Posted: August 13, 2018 at 11:35 AM (#5725691)
There's no way in hell Harper's staying in Washington.

I like to think, as they showed him looking around at the crowd after the game, that he was thinking "Yeah, I wanna be a part of this."
   28. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 13, 2018 at 11:40 AM (#5725696)
And I loved Bote's reaction. Knew it was gone immediately, flip the bat like a boss, and then just pure elation around the bases. If you're David Bote, it's hard to imagine you'll ever have a better moment in baseball than that one (most players don't ever come close). Drink it in, man.
Yep. This is the story that his grandkids will one day be really, really tired of.
   29. Man o' Schwar Posted: August 13, 2018 at 11:44 AM (#5725700)
Yep. This is the story that his grandkids will one day be really, really tired of.

I wonder how long it takes to really come down from something like that. I have to imagine he didn't get a whole lot of sleep last night after getting that amped up (or, alternatively, he was so drained from the whole thing that he slept like a log, who knows).

Either way, praise be to the schedulemakers for a well-timed day off.
   30. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 13, 2018 at 11:56 AM (#5725710)
Bote has 90 PA and he'll probably get 100 to 150 more PA this year. Still plenty of time for him to come back down to earth.


Or win the ROTY.
   31. Voodoo Posted: August 13, 2018 at 12:01 PM (#5725715)
That was the best night I've had watching the Cubs since Game 7 in 2016. I sat up for an hour after the game just rewatching the video every couple of minutes, then spent another half hour or so rewatching it with the Pat Hughes call.


100% THIS. And then I woke up this morning and immediately watched it a dozen more times. I still can't believe it.

This game goes immediately into Cubs legend as one of the greatest regular season games in franchise history. In recent memory, only the Sandberg Game and Kerry Wood's game comes close, and maybe that day in September 1998 when Sosa hit 61 and 62 to tie McGwire.

Naturally, this game is the most famous regular season game in Cubs history, and if we're counting one game playoffs as part of the regular season, then this and this deserve mention. And this game is firmly entrenched in Cubs lore, as well. I'm not considering the double no-hitter, or that crazy Cubs-Phillies game in the 70s, because the Cubs lost those. No Cub has thrown a perfect game, I suppose the most famous no-hitter for the Cubs is Milt Pappas because he almost had the perfecto.

Can anyone think of other contenders?
   32. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: August 13, 2018 at 12:03 PM (#5725719)
Hopefully/I would think that come postseason - they drop a chaff arm to carry Bote.

I pointed this out before but the Cubs usually drop a SP and have a 5 man bench in the playoffs. So no crunch unless KB magically comes back in the next week.

Next year, I think Zobrist takes over the TLS role but with more PT. Or the Cubs get crazy and deal Russell, with javy moving to SS and Bote to 2b.
   33. Man o' Schwar Posted: August 13, 2018 at 12:17 PM (#5725736)
Can anyone think of other contenders?

In terms of pure excitement, I'll take that whole Milwaukee series from 1998:

Friday September 11 - Cubs lost to the Brewers 13-11, but managed to get the tying run to the plate in the 9th.

Saturday September 12 - Cubs win on a walkoff 15-12, after coming back from being down 10-2 in the 5th and 12-5 in the 7th. Sosa hit #60 in this game, and they won on a walk-off 3-run HR from pinch hitter Orlando Merced capped a 5-run 9th inning. Merced's HR.

Sunday September 13 - Cubs win 11-10 on another walk-off HR. Mark Grace does the honors this time. This was the game where Sosa hit 61/62. Grace's HR.

The whole series was just insane.
   34. Voodoo Posted: August 13, 2018 at 12:23 PM (#5725740)
In terms of pure excitement, I'll take that whole Milwaukee series from 1998:


Well, that's a different criteria than I was driving at, but I agree that the 9/13/98 game is in consideration (which is why I mentioned it), and what happened up to that point in the series adds to the narrative for sure and I admit I had forgotten that Gracie ended that game with a walk-off himself (with Sosa on deck!).
   35. Lassus Posted: August 13, 2018 at 12:26 PM (#5725743)
Forget a trade, Harper may just move to New York in September.

Utica IS lovely in the fall.
   36. Zonk is a Doorknob Whisperer Posted: August 13, 2018 at 12:26 PM (#5725744)
In terms of pure excitement, I'll take that whole Milwaukee series from 1998:


Ditto. That was a wild one.

Doesn't Bote's other 9th inning heroic just a few weeks ago even make the cut? That was pretty fun, too.
   37. Voodoo Posted: August 13, 2018 at 12:31 PM (#5725747)
Doesn't Bote's other 9th inning heroic just a few weeks ago even make the cut? That was pretty fun, too.


It's funny because I half-jokingly posted "THE DAVID BOTE GAME!" in the game thread right when he hit that one (before Rizzo had even followed it with the walk-off). How little did I know...
   38. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 13, 2018 at 12:43 PM (#5725759)
Guys, I have some breaking news:

On November 26th, 2017, in conjunction with an off-season simulation game I was playing, I made this note to myself on Slack:

AFL prospects to target

Zac Houston, reliever, Tigers
David Bote, Cubs 2B
Monte Harrison, Brewers CF
Cody Carroll, Yankee reliever

So I basically am Billy Beane.
   39. SoSH U at work Posted: August 13, 2018 at 12:50 PM (#5725762)
AFL prospects to target


Cody Carroll, Yankee reliever


I was at Camden Saturday when Carroll walked three, tossed a wild pitch and only managed 12 strikes out of 27 pitches. Hard to imagine Carroll and "target" appearing in the same sentence.
   40. Spahn Insane Posted: August 13, 2018 at 12:50 PM (#5725764)
This 1989 game, also featuring an improbable Cub comeback from a 3-0 9th inning deficit, has a special place in my heart, though I don't hear it talked about anymore. I remember it especially because I was there--the only game I attended in that division title season.

Les Lancaster's game winning double after not being pinch hit for in the 11th (think Girardi was the only position player left) sort of epitomized Zimmer's apparent magic touch that year (which evaporated quickly and harshly in the LCS).
   41. McCoy Posted: August 13, 2018 at 12:57 PM (#5725766)
In terms of pure excitement, I'll take that whole Milwaukee series from 1998:

Or the 5 game sweep of the Cardinals in 2003.
   42. Zonk is a Doorknob Whisperer Posted: August 13, 2018 at 01:00 PM (#5725768)
This 1989 game, also featuring an improbable Cub comeback from a 3-0 9th inning deficit, has a special place in my heart, though I don't hear it talked about anymore. I remember it especially because I was there--the only game I attended in that division title season.


Yup - remember that one quite clearly... including screaming at the TV when Les came to the plate.

Another memorable one to me from 1989 was this one. It was the 'pseudo' first day of school - half-day, solely for orientation - and we were going to the mall for late school shopping afterwards, my mom tried to change the station because it was 0-9... I whined about keeping it on because whattabout... huh, WHATTABOUT! When we got back in the car to drive home - it was 5-9... so I got to hear the bottom of the 8th when they tied it. And the Cubs were nice enough to hold off just long enough for us to get home and me watch the last inning on TV.
   43. McCoy Posted: August 13, 2018 at 01:00 PM (#5725770)
I'm sort of surprised that BRef doesn't have it listed on their schedule/results page for easy look up. But the Cubs have reached a point in ability where I don't ever think they are truly out of any game. Last night I went to bed seeing that the Nats had a 1 run game with Scherzer and Hamels pitching. I figured a couple of things. I figured the Cubs would do some damage once they got Scherzer out of there and that Kintzler was going to give up some runs. But what I didn't think was that the Cubs didn't have a chance to win. In years past if the Cubs were trailing by the middle of the game you would figure that game was over. It seems there have been plenty of come from behind wins for the Cubs this year.


edit: Found it. 37 comeback wins this year so far with the biggest margin being 8 behind and I think that April 14th game against the Braves was pretty damn great as well.
   44. McCoy Posted: August 13, 2018 at 01:06 PM (#5725779)
Last year they had 45 comeback wins. 2011 had 42 wins and 2008 and 2004 had 44 wins and the 2018 team is currently tied with the 2005 team for 5th most comeback wins in the 21st century by a Cubs team.
   45. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: August 13, 2018 at 01:37 PM (#5725809)
Or the 5 game sweep of the Cardinals in 2003.

Didn't they win 4 of 5?

I'm also not buying this narrative about kintlzers unreliability just yet.
   46. dejarouehg Posted: August 13, 2018 at 01:44 PM (#5725810)
I love the odd regular season game that last's in your memory forever. Just another reason to love this game.

I was thinking the entire game how the announcers and MLB Network continue to overrate the Cubs - they really should be described as a disappointment - and how it makes no sense to me that Washington is letting this opportunity slip away.

Also, if Bryce Harper was hooked up to a bullshitometer in his pre-game interview when he droned on about what a great group of guys there were in that clubhouse, the machine would would implode. That was about as truthful as me saying I saw the end of the game live. (Made it top 8.)

Thrilled for Bote. 26 nailed it. Best moment since Game 7.
   47. McCoy Posted: August 13, 2018 at 01:47 PM (#5725813)
Didn't they win 4 of 5?

Well, the walk off counts in the 15th inning cancels out and then some the loss in the second game of that double header.
   48. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: August 13, 2018 at 01:47 PM (#5725814)
Les Lancaster's GW double and the 10-9 game were super memorable.
   49. McCoy Posted: August 13, 2018 at 01:53 PM (#5725821)
Did the Carlos Zambrano no hitter in Milwaukee get linked?
   50. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: August 13, 2018 at 01:54 PM (#5725822)
I was thinking the entire game how the announcers and MLB Network continue to overrate the Cubs - they really should be described as a disappointment

I don't understand this.

   51. Voodoo Posted: August 13, 2018 at 02:00 PM (#5725829)
Did the Carlos Zambrano no hitter in Milwaukee get linked?


Nope. And that's one of my favorites. That was pretty much the last great moment for Zambrano.
   52. McCoy Posted: August 13, 2018 at 02:04 PM (#5725833)

Nope. And that's one of my favorites. That was pretty much the last great moment for Zambrano.


Obviously I didn't know it was going to happen going into that game but Zambrano up to that point had flirted with a no hitter several times and I had always felt that eventually he would get one. I went into a lot of games with Zambrano pitching thinking this could be the one. Plus that game had some extra fun in that Houston was fighting Milwaukee for the WC spot and they felt this was all a big conspiracy to screw them over in favor of the Brewers.
   53. Voodoo Posted: August 13, 2018 at 02:18 PM (#5725840)
I was thinking the entire game how the announcers and MLB Network continue to overrate the Cubs - they really should be described as a disappointment

I don't understand this.


Well, it's certainly disappointing that the Thed's pitching spending spree this offseason has been an unmitigated disaster -- with an added bad taste since Arrieta has put forth a really solid season for Philly, almost a carbon copy of his 2017, which particularly stings for those of us that preferred Jake to Yu.

Given that, the lineup and the bullpen have been tremendous and have carried this team to where they are now. A three game lead isn't much, and there's still PLENTY of season left for things to go sideways, but even with the pitching question marks (and there are many) I expect this team to outlast the Brewers and Cards by a handful of games at least, and march into the playoffs with a bit of "the team nobody wants to face" vibe.

Mccoy nails it in #43. They pretty much never feel completely out of a game. I'm sure it has lots more to do with having so many plus bats in the lineup and on the bench than some magic clubhouse culture thing, but I'm inclined to give Maddon a piece of the credit for this. It's cliched, but he brought with him that "we never quit! hey! we never quit! hey!" thing with him, and we've seen it manifest itself again and again over the last four years.
   54. Zonk is a Doorknob Whisperer Posted: August 13, 2018 at 02:21 PM (#5725841)
Well, it's certainly disappointing that the Thed's pitching spending spree this offseason has been an unmitigated disaster -- with an added bad taste since Arrieta has put forth a really solid season for Philly, almost a carbon copy of his 2017, which particularly stings for those of us that preferred Jake to Yu.


Unfortunately, some of us got really screwed by preferring the moves Thed made so we are in no position to complain. The BBTF edit feature really needs to be enabled to span back at least 9 months.
   55. Kiko Sakata Posted: August 13, 2018 at 02:24 PM (#5725844)
so far with the biggest margin being 8 behind and I think that April 14th game against the Braves was pretty damn great as well.


The Cubs have now given all three NL East contenders a gut-punch loss at Wrigley Field this season. They came from 8 back to beat the Braves, they just beat the Nationals last night, and they beat the Phillies on a walk-off grand slam by Jason Heyward also with two outs and two strikes (but they were only down by two runs at the time) on my birthday.
   56. McCoy Posted: August 13, 2018 at 02:34 PM (#5725846)
With the starting pitching staff being what they are I don't see this team going far in the playoffs.

If you had told me you could get Jake for 3 years and 75 or Yu for 6 years and 125 million I would have gone with Jake. Now if the contracts had been reversed I would have gone with Yu. The contract length concerns me more than the merits of the individual players. I don't think the Cubs could have gotten Jake for what the Phillies got him for. I think it took the Cubs moving away from Jake and committing to Yu to get Jake to that level.


A WS championship creates a long after glow but I'm pretty sure all of the talent Theo has jettisoned in the last three seasons is going to cause consternation for Cub fans for years to come.
   57. Spahn Insane Posted: August 13, 2018 at 02:35 PM (#5725847)
The Cubs have now given all three NL East contenders a gut-punch loss at Wrigley Field this season.

To expand it to the rest of the league's contenders, the Bote/Rizzo 9th inning against the D'Backs certainly belongs with those games. Have we ripped the Dodgers' or Rockies' hearts out this year?
   58. Spahn Insane Posted: August 13, 2018 at 02:39 PM (#5725848)
With the starting pitching staff being what they are I don't see this team going far in the playoffs.

I can see them winning the pennant (I can also see their rotation completely crapping the bed and/or their offense going into one of its dry spells, making for a quick exit), since there aren't any especially scary teams in the NL (Cubs themselves probably come closest to that description), but yeah--the idea of this rotation trying to contain the lineups of Houston or Boston or the Yankees isn't something I relish.

Then again, the postseason seems to have devolved to the point where everything's a potential bullpen game where the starter's not expected to last long anyway, so who knows. Perhaps they can put together a bunch of "Astros WS game 7"-type performances.
   59. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: August 13, 2018 at 02:41 PM (#5725850)
Mccoy nails it in #43. They pretty much never feel completely out of a game. I'm sure it has lots more to do with having so many plus bats in the lineup and on the bench than some magic clubhouse culture thing, but I'm inclined to give Maddon a piece of the credit for this. It's cliched, but he brought with him that "we never quit! hey! we never quit! hey!" thing with him, and we've seen it manifest itself again and again over the last four years.


I thought Zobrist's 9th inning at-bat on Saturday exemplified this. They were down 7 with two outs and he still was up there fleshing out a quality AB. Eventually smacked a double in the gap to drive in two.

   60. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: August 13, 2018 at 02:43 PM (#5725852)
I mentioned last night that I was following the game on MLB Gameday but was also checking the ESPN Radio feed of the game, even though the latter is probably a good 60 to 90 seconds behind Gameday. So when Bote was up and I saw "In play, Run(s)," I immediately closed out the browser so I could find out what happened via the radio broadcast. Very cool moment.

The TitanicBaseball clip works beautifully for the slam, by the way.
   61. bunyon Posted: August 13, 2018 at 02:44 PM (#5725855)
I was thinking the entire game how the announcers and MLB Network continue to overrate the Cubs - they really should be described as a disappointment - and how it makes no sense to me that Washington is letting this opportunity slip away.

What opportunity? The Nats are a mediocre 500 team. The Cubs, while perhaps disappointing, are clearly better than the Nats.
   62. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 13, 2018 at 02:48 PM (#5725857)
A WS championship creates a long after glow but I'm pretty sure all of the talent Theo has jettisoned in the last three seasons is going to cause consternation for Cub fans for years to come.


Meh. It's not like the Cubs have a gaping hole that could be filled by Torres or Jimenez. Either they get traded or someone like Schwarber or Russell does. It would be nice if the return had been better, and frankly, with the Quintana trade it might. Jmenez hasn't played a game yet. The WS other #1 prospect has been pretty meh so far.
   63. Zonk is a Doorknob Whisperer Posted: August 13, 2018 at 02:52 PM (#5725861)
The first game that I remember attending in person was also a comeback win -- this one against the Astros. -- and also prominently featured my two favorite players... Ron Cey homered twice - including the go-ahead two-run shot in the bottom of the 7th, right after my other favorite player (Zonk himself, the real one) had doubled in the two tying runs.

It was quite a thrill for an 11 yo - and supposedly, I got on TV with my hand-stenciled "Penguin Power" sign... alas that we did not yet have a VCR capable of recording, but my uncle said he saw the cameras pan to me jubilantly waving my sign after the 2nd HR. He might be lying - we were quite a ways up the upper deck, but I most certainly did wave it jubilantly.

I don't really remember my first in-person game as well... I still have the ticket stub - but my main memory of it is that it set me on a lifelong path to truly despising the Mets and Walt Terrible in particular... I suppose I could say I saw a HoFer start - but since he had trouble getting the opposing team's pitcher out, I thought he sucked.
   64. Spahn Insane Posted: August 13, 2018 at 03:06 PM (#5725869)
The Cubs appear to have been trying to straighten out their pythag of late--seems like every game they've won the last couple weeks has been by one run.

EDIT: Looking it up...4 of their last 6 wins by a run. Both SD and WAS wins. 10-4 in one-run games since the start of July.
   65. Zonk is a Doorknob Whisperer Posted: August 13, 2018 at 03:10 PM (#5725873)
-the idea of this rotation trying to contain the lineups of Houston or Boston or the Yankees isn't something I relish.


Meh -

Get to that point and you just need four wins... of ANY kind. Slugfests, miracle, game you deserve to lose, or 'where did that come from' Larsen-esque performance.

Cole Hamels looks pretty darn rejuvenated - so perhaps he does some of his steely playoff magic. Get a good start or two out of the Professor.... and? Quintana salvaging the trade? A well-rested Darvish not tipping his pitches? Lest... nah, not going there.

Sale's a beast, but the rest of the boston rotation wouldn't scare me. The Yankees have rotation problems, too. Houston is really the only rotation where I imagine we'd gladly switch SP on any given WS game.

EDIT: FWIW, I wouldn't write the Indians off so quickly either.
   66. Zonk is a Doorknob Whisperer Posted: August 13, 2018 at 03:29 PM (#5725884)
   67. bunyon Posted: August 13, 2018 at 03:33 PM (#5725888)
Hang on. Cub fans are bemoaning the possibility that they might not be favorites in the World Series?

If that's the bar, then every team but one is disappointing.
   68. Spahn Insane Posted: August 13, 2018 at 03:49 PM (#5725893)
Hang on. Cub fans are bemoaning the possibility that they might not be favorites in the World Series?

If that's the bar, then every team but one is disappointing.


Well, it's a more specialized form of disappointment, which has led to a realistic outlook. The Cubs have the league's best record, a three-game lead...so, about where I expected them to be, but their strengths and weaknesses have taken a somewhat unexpected shape. I figured the rotation would be the team's strength, and it's been their biggest weakness, by far--the pen, a source of some concern before the season, has been excellent, their offense has been the best in the league, and they're probably the best-fielding and best-baserunning team in the game. Given the starters' performance, it's easy to see them getting taken to the woodshed by a good offense. That's more realism than disappointment, since I'm not really "disappointed" in the team overall.

Indeed, if you'd told us that the much-ballyhooed rotation would be a disappointment across the board, including but not limited to getting nothing at all out of Darvish or Chatwood, that Rizzo would've spent about a third of the season in a funk, that Russell's power would disappear, and that Bryant would miss significant time on the DL after a prolonged stretch of not hitting for any power--and that the Cubs would still be 19 over on August 13 with a 3-game division lead and the NL's best record? I think any of us would take that.
   69. Spahn Insane Posted: August 13, 2018 at 03:55 PM (#5725897)
EDIT: FWIW, I wouldn't write the Indians off so quickly either.

I'm certainly not writing them off--I didn't mention them because their offense isn't as scary as HOU/BOS/NYY.
   70. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 13, 2018 at 03:59 PM (#5725899)
So, in wading through the (f***ing horrible) autoplay video that plays on the SI page instead of, you know, the audio referenced in the headline that you actually want to hear, I learned about the Papa John's guy's use of a racial slur. I had no idea that had happened when I originally posted in 13-15. To the extent that either of those posts might have come across as inappropriate in that context (that's not a non-apology clause, I just genuinely don't know what people's reactions were), I apologize. I had no idea and was just making a reference to annoying corporate sponsorships. I'm not even really part Italian, as far as I know.
   71. McCoy Posted: August 13, 2018 at 04:17 PM (#5725908)
I'm not bemoaning them not being favorites but that this team might not even get to the WS or win a playoff series this year.
   72. Voodoo Posted: August 13, 2018 at 04:47 PM (#5725927)
I'm not bemoaning them not being favorites but that this team might not even get to the WS or win a playoff series this year.


Which is true of HOU/BOS this year just like it was true with the Cubs in 2016.
   73. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: August 13, 2018 at 04:50 PM (#5725928)
I'm not bemoaning them not being favorites but that this team might not even get to the WS or win a playoff series this year.

This is true of literally every team that makes the playoffs. Last year's Indians won 102 games (and had 108 Pythag wins) and lost the LDS to the Yankees. The 2011 Phillies, the Moneyball A's, the '93 Braves... the MLB playoffs are what they are.

Since 2016, the most negative emotion I've mustered for anything associated with the Cubs has been annoyance.
   74. Hysterical & Useless Posted: August 13, 2018 at 05:19 PM (#5725944)
truly despising the Mets and Walt Terrible in particular...


Even Mets fans despised him. Especially Mets fans...
   75. Man o' Schwar Posted: August 13, 2018 at 05:24 PM (#5725947)
For those who enjoyed last night's game here is your chance to commemorate it with a 1/1 David Bote signed baseball card.

Only $2000, so act fast.
   76. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: August 13, 2018 at 05:27 PM (#5725950)
Only $2000, so act fast.

Free shipping!
   77. McCoy Posted: August 13, 2018 at 05:29 PM (#5725952)
Sure it is true of any team but the Cubs have an obvious weakness this year that can be very damaging.
   78. Bote Man the walk-off king Posted: August 13, 2018 at 05:31 PM (#5725953)
You guys have fallen wayyyyyyy behind current events in Cubsland. The latest (well, a few hours ago anyway) is that David Bote apologizes for flipping his bat after he watched his grand slam fly out of Wrigley. Baseball is once again safe to watch.

670 The Score @670TheScore
"I didn't even realize I did it until I saw it on the replay ... I meant no disrespect by any means. It was the heat of the moment."
-- Cubs' David Bote on his bat flip

   79. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 13, 2018 at 05:55 PM (#5725971)
It was the heat of the moment."
He'll get his comeuppance when he finds himself in eighty two, his looks are gone and he's alone. How many nights he'll sit beside the phone...
   80. McCoy Posted: August 13, 2018 at 06:20 PM (#5725988)
3 game series against the brewers up next.
   81. Andere Richtingen Posted: August 13, 2018 at 06:36 PM (#5726011)
I'm guessing Bote thought his career had peaked when he hit a game-tying two-run HR (on an 0-2 pitch, but with just one out) a few weeks ago -- a mere 0.47 WPA.
   82. Andere Richtingen Posted: August 13, 2018 at 07:20 PM (#5726045)
He'll get his comeuppance when he finds himself in eighty two, his looks are gone and he's alone. How many nights he'll sit beside the phone...

I'm pretty sure it was an other-worldly feeling for Bote, something like singing a song unsung, or riding a dragon's wings.
   83. Zonk is a Doorknob Whisperer Posted: August 13, 2018 at 07:29 PM (#5726049)
I'm pretty sure it was an other-worldly feeling for Bote, something like singing a song unsung, or riding a dragon's wings.


One thing is sure.

Time will tell.
   84. Voodoo Posted: August 13, 2018 at 07:40 PM (#5726055)
Since 2016, the most negative emotion I've mustered for anything associated with the Cubs has been annoyance.


Why? I'm interested in non Cubs fans take on why this team is not likable, or in your case evidently, forgettable.
   85. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: August 13, 2018 at 08:54 PM (#5726101)
Why? I'm interested in non Cubs fans take on why this team is not likable, or in your case evidently, forgettable.

I'm a Cubs fan. So, you know, still happy about 2016.
   86. Voodoo Posted: August 13, 2018 at 10:07 PM (#5726133)
Whoops!
   87. jolietconvict Posted: August 14, 2018 at 08:59 AM (#5726232)
I've been to dozens of Cubs games. This is the 3rd most exciting game I've been to behind game 7 of the WS and game 4 of the '15 NLDS. It was all the more special because I brought my 9-year old son and he kept score the entire game. I'll never forget watching him cover his ears as the crowd went wild.

One of my other all-time favorite games I was at in person was this one. The crowd was raucous. I'll never forget the guy next to us swing a cubs teddy bear around in a noose.
   88. VCar Posted: August 14, 2018 at 11:29 AM (#5726343)
Clemente has the only ITPUGS


You forgot about Kelly Leak, in the alternate ending they filmed but didn;t use.
   89. SoSH U at work Posted: August 14, 2018 at 11:34 AM (#5726354)
You forgot about Kelly Leak, in the alternate ending they filmed but didn;t use.


An outstanding decision.
   90. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 14, 2018 at 11:48 AM (#5726387)
Has anyone documented the number of times in a row a team has lost on a walkoff home run? Did the Nats break or tie such a record last night, or did they merely keep their hopes alive?
   91. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 14, 2018 at 11:54 AM (#5726397)
Speaking of walkoffs, here's a list of each team's greatest walkoff homer in their history. I'm actually surprised that so few of them were of the "yeah, whatever" variety, and even those few would've been pretty exciting to fans of those teams.
   92. Spahn Insane Posted: August 14, 2018 at 12:13 PM (#5726420)
3 game series against the brewers up next.

2 games, actually, followed by 4 in Pittsburgh. Brewers are off Thursday before a 3-game set in St Louis.

Has anyone documented the number of times in a row a team has lost on a walkoff home run? Did the Nats break or tie such a record last night, or did they merely keep their hopes alive?

Is the record more than two? (Didn't the Yankees win back to back games on walkoffs in the 2001 series [a/k/a The Ballad of Byun-hyung Kim), or am I making that up?)
   93. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 14, 2018 at 12:19 PM (#5726431)
The Ballad of Byun-hyung Kim
It's in D minor, which is the saddest of all keys...
   94. RMc Has Bizarre Ideas to Fix Baseball Posted: August 14, 2018 at 06:23 PM (#5726849)
Fun fact: The only two Ultimate Slams hit in the first half of the 20th century were by Babe Ruth in 1925 and Sammy "Babe Ruth's Legs" Byrd in 1936.
   95. Voodoo Posted: August 14, 2018 at 06:32 PM (#5726860)
Is the record more than two? (Didn't the Yankees win back to back games on walkoffs in the 2001 series [a/k/a The Ballad of Byun-hyung Kim), or am I making that up?)


They tied it in the 9th with two outs on home runs in back to back games and one of those games ended in a walk off, and all of those homers came off poor Kim.

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