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David Ortiz: If Red Sox don’t offer multi-year deal, ‘It’s time to move on’

Red Sox designated hitter David Ortiz, who is entering the final year of a two-year extension he signed before his standout 2013 season, said he wants a new multi-year pact or else, “It’s time to move on.”

Speaking to Steve Burton on CBS4′s “Sports Final” show that aired Sunday night, the 38-year-old Ortiz said he doesn’t know how much longer he’ll play.

“It can be two years, it can be three years, it can be 10 years,” he said. “You never know.”

Added Ortiz: “I’m feeling good. This is not a career that is forever. As long as I’m having fun like I had, as long as I keep doing what I’m doing and I’m healthy, of course, I’m going to keep on giving it a try.”

Ortiz said it would be his preference to retire with the Red Sox after playing the last 11 seasons in Boston and helping the team to three World Series titles.

“I would like to. I’m having fun. It’s been a hell of a ride as long as I’ve been here,” he said. “But like I always keep on telling people, this is business. Sometimes you’ve got to do what is best for you and your family.

“As long as they keep offering me a job and I keep on doing what I’m supposed to do and the relationship keeps on building up, I’m going to be there. Hopefully I won’t have to go and wear another uniform.”

Thanks to FG.

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   1. villageidiom Posted: January 28, 2014 at 08:10 AM (#4647144)
Demanding a multi-year deal now is a good way to get the team to wait until after the season to offer that deal.
   2. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: January 28, 2014 at 09:31 AM (#4647158)
Demanding a multi-year deal now is a good way to get the team to wait until after the season to offer that deal.


Nah, the Sox usually make sure Ortiz is happy. A grumpy Papi is a pain in the ass.

My guess is he's signed before the first Spring Training game and I wouldn't be surprised if he and the Sox come to some kind of agreement similar to what they had with Wakefield (albeit not as team friendly).
   3. Bitter Mouse Posted: January 28, 2014 at 09:32 AM (#4647159)
“It can be two years, it can be three years, it can be 10 years,” he said. “You never know.”


I pretty much know it is not going to be 10 years. It will be closer to zero more years than 10 more years. I might offer a 2 year deal, but unless it was really team friendly I wouldn't offer a 3 or more year deal. And I am an Ortiz fan.
   4. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: January 28, 2014 at 09:38 AM (#4647164)
I'd be about 105% shocked if David Ortiz appears for another MLB team from here on out. "Time to move on" seems like the most transparent bargaining position I can think of.
   5. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: January 28, 2014 at 09:51 AM (#4647168)
I'd be about 105% shocked if David Ortiz appears for another MLB team from here on out. "Time to move on" seems like the most transparent bargaining position I can think of.


I'd agree with that. I think David Ortiz saying he'd move on is about as accurate as Jon Lester saying he'll take a meaningful hometown discount. I'll believe it when their is pen to paper.
   6. villageidiom Posted: January 28, 2014 at 10:01 AM (#4647173)
Nah, the Sox usually make sure Ortiz is happy.
They also usually extend him after the season is over. It's been eight years since they signed him to an extension early in the season.

He's not moving on. They will wait until the end of the year; they will extend the qualifying offer; he will decline in order to pursue opportunity for a multi-year deal; nobody will want to sign him to a multi-year deal and give up a draft pick. Hell, they won't want to sign him to a one-year deal and give up the pick.

Ortiz complaining about his contract status going into spring training is a Red Sox tradition, like Truck Day. It's a sign that spring is on the way.
   7. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: January 28, 2014 at 10:14 AM (#4647179)
They also usually extend him after the season is over. It's been eight years since they signed him to an extension early in the season.


Is that true? Wow, I had the impression that they generally got this wrapped up before the season started.
   8. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: January 28, 2014 at 10:17 AM (#4647181)
Ortiz complaining about his contract status going into spring training is a Red Sox tradition, like Truck Day. It's a sign that spring is on the way.


Didn't Frank Thomas used to do this every year around this time? Of course, my recollection is that Frank signed a gazillion year deal with the White Sox just before he had his best years. He was actually kind of underpaid for a great ballplayer.
   9. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: January 28, 2014 at 10:25 AM (#4647189)
a Red Sox tradition, like Truck Day.

I thought that was a Jeff Kent tradition.
   10. villageidiom Posted: January 28, 2014 at 10:53 AM (#4647219)
Is that true? Wow, I had the impression that they generally got this wrapped up before the season started.

Early 2006 they signed him to a contract through 2010, with an option year for 2011.

End of 2010 they exercised the option for 2011.

End of 2011 they offered him arbitration, and he accepted.

End of 2012 they made a qualifying offer, he turned it down, then signed a two-year contract.
   11. Nasty Nate Posted: January 28, 2014 at 11:07 AM (#4647230)
Ortiz complaining about his contract status going into spring training is a Red Sox tradition, like Truck Day. It's a sign that spring is on the way.


Exactly. Every few months he makes a vague mild comment about his contract that is construed as a complaint, and then a few weeks later everybody forgets all about it.

And isn't it a tautology to say that he is going to move on if there isn't another contract? That would seem to be to true for everyone on the roster.
   12. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: January 28, 2014 at 11:45 AM (#4647272)
Now that Mariano is gone, I don't think there's a single player more identifiable to the casual fan with a single franchise as is Ortiz. Nate, I generally agree (though I had to look up "tautology") with your statement, but I don't know if they'd still give him the Bud Selig award if Bud actually lets Ortiz walk.
   13. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: January 28, 2014 at 11:47 AM (#4647273)
Are you guys kidding? I could see the Yankees signing Ortiz to some 3/50 contract just to get him out of Boston. Please, he would sign with another team in a heartbeat.
   14. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 28, 2014 at 11:50 AM (#4647280)
He signs with another team and he flunks his next PED test faster than you can say, "No you can keep those clubhouse towels, Manny."
   15. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: January 28, 2014 at 11:51 AM (#4647281)
I could see the Yankees signing Ortiz to some 3/50 contract just to get him out of Boston.


They're welcome to do that. It's a terrible idea.
   16. Nasty Nate Posted: January 28, 2014 at 11:52 AM (#4647285)
I could see the Yankees signing Ortiz to some 3/50 contract just to get him out of Boston.


They had their chance to do that after 2011. I doubt they would try that when he is 3 years older.
   17. villageidiom Posted: January 28, 2014 at 11:57 AM (#4647291)
Now that Mariano is gone, I don't think there's a single player more identifiable to the casual fan with a single franchise as is Ortiz.
Jeter. And for better or for worse, A-Rod.
   18. Best Regards, President of Comfort Posted: January 28, 2014 at 12:03 PM (#4647298)
I'd be about 105% shocked if David Ortiz appears for another MLB team from here on out. "Time to move on" seems like the most transparent bargaining position I can think of.


I'd agree with that.


I disagree. It's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
   19. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: January 28, 2014 at 12:25 PM (#4647320)
I disagree. It's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.


Slacker.
   20. Famous Original Joe C Posted: January 28, 2014 at 12:50 PM (#4647350)
He signs with another team and he flunks his next PED test faster than you can say, "No you can keep those clubhouse towels, Manny."


"Look at me, I said something controversial! LOOK AT ME!", YR added.
   21. cardsfanboy Posted: January 28, 2014 at 01:35 PM (#4647396)
Now that Mariano is gone, I don't think there's a single player more identifiable to the casual fan with a single franchise as is Ortiz


Which says as much about the east coast bias as it does about the individuals involved.

Mauer should really be the most identifiable player with one franchise (outside of jeter). Or Yadier or king felix..etc.... afterall ortiz did play for another franchise.
   22. Publius Publicola Posted: January 28, 2014 at 01:38 PM (#4647399)
They'll offer him 2 years at a rate in the ballpark they are paying him now, with a club option for a third.
   23. Nasty Nate Posted: January 28, 2014 at 01:42 PM (#4647401)
They'll offer him 2 years at a rate in the ballpark they are paying him now, with a club option for a third.


Now or after the season?
   24. bigglou115 Posted: January 28, 2014 at 02:10 PM (#4647427)
For the last 3 years, every time I start a road to the show in MLB The Show, the Braves get Ortiz in 2014 to play 1st base. No point, just one of those things that amuses me so I thought I'd share.
   25. Rants Mulliniks Posted: January 28, 2014 at 02:26 PM (#4647443)
In a world where Curtis Granderson is worth 4/$60M, and Scott Kazmir worth 2/$20, surely Ortiz will get an offer of at least 3 years. The guy has been one of the very best hitters in baseball over the last few years.
   26. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: January 28, 2014 at 02:39 PM (#4647450)
Mauer should really be the most identifiable player with one franchise (outside of jeter). Or Yadier or king felix..etc.... afterall ortiz did play for another franchise.


It also says a lot about how hard it is to remain relevant with one team, no matter where you play. If things were different, it could be Ichiro in Seattle, Lincecum in SF, or Pujols in StL. Two of those guys changed teams and one of them is a shadow of his former self.

Though Jeter is still in NYC, and, skills diminished though they may be, he's still the guy most easily identified with an individual franchise at the moment.
   27. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 28, 2014 at 02:49 PM (#4647458)
Active players, most seasons, only one franchise in their career

Derek Jeter - 19
Todd Helton - 17
Jimmy Rollins - 14
Chase Utley - 11
Ricke Weeks - 11
David Wright - 10
Yadier Molina - 10
Ryan Howard - 10
Joe Mauer - 10
Ryan Zimmerman - 9
Matt Cain - 9
Justin Verlander - 9
Ferlix Hernandez - 9
Adam Wainwright - 9 (came up with Atlanta though)

Robinson Cano, Corey Hart, Brian Roberts, Brian McCann just dropped off this list.

Also, interesting, Ryan Madson has only "played" for one franchise in his nine seasons - Philly - but has spent the last two years being paid by the Reds and Angels.

All this has nothing to do with Ortiz though.
   28. BDC Posted: January 28, 2014 at 03:31 PM (#4647499)
Impressive of the Phillies to have three of the few 10-year guys. Whatever one thinks of their prospects for 2014, they've had a great run together.
   29. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: January 28, 2014 at 03:36 PM (#4647502)
Ricke Weeks - 11


I'm getting old.
   30. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 28, 2014 at 03:44 PM (#4647514)
Weeks is actually 10. I forgot he he got a cup of coffee, but spent all of the next year in the minors.
   31. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: January 28, 2014 at 03:57 PM (#4647530)
I'm getting old.


Ayep. Me too.
   32. JJ1986 Posted: January 28, 2014 at 03:59 PM (#4647531)
Also, interesting, Ryan Madson has only "played" for one franchise in his nine seasons - Philly - but has spent the last two years being paid by the Reds and Angels.


Pedro Feliciano has 9 years for only the Mets on three stints, around time in Japan and on the Yankees DL.
   33. Ulysses S. Fairsmith Posted: January 28, 2014 at 04:04 PM (#4647537)
Verlander has played the last nine seasons with the Tigers, although 2005 was just a cup of coffee.
   34. BDC Posted: January 28, 2014 at 04:05 PM (#4647538)
You think you guys are old, I have trouble remembering that the Brewers play in the National League.
   35. Nasty Nate Posted: January 28, 2014 at 04:18 PM (#4647553)
Adam Wainwright - 9 (came up with Atlanta though)


I wonder who has the all-time most years in this situation. Varitek had 15 if we count his 1 game in 1997.
   36. JJ1986 Posted: January 28, 2014 at 04:24 PM (#4647559)
I wonder who has the all-time most years in this situation. Varitek had 15 if we count his 1 game in 1997.


Bagwell has 15 too.
   37. SoSH U at work Posted: January 28, 2014 at 04:25 PM (#4647560)
Varitek had 15 if we count his 1 game in 1997.


Fittingly, there's bizarre Varitek when it comes to the Sox trading history - Bagwell also had 15.

Edit: Too late.

   38. villageidiom Posted: January 28, 2014 at 04:27 PM (#4647563)
Mauer should really be the most identifiable player with one franchise (outside of jeter). Or Yadier or king felix..etc.... afterall ortiz did play for another franchise.
The casual fan - the subject of the original post - probably wouldn't recognize Ortiz played for the Twins. There's also a good chance the casual fan wouldn't know which Molina is which, let alone identify Yadier with a particular team.

Mauer and Felix I'll give you, and Helton, and Verlander, and perhaps Ryan Howard. Casual fans should know who they are, and where they are.

But I'd still put Jeter and A-Rod ahead of any of them, including Ortiz. Every casual fan is well aware of them, and well aware of who they play for.
   39. SoSH U at work Posted: January 28, 2014 at 04:28 PM (#4647565)
Clemente had 17.
   40. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 28, 2014 at 04:33 PM (#4647571)
In a world where Curtis Granderson is worth 4/$60M, and Scott Kazmir worth 2/$20, surely Ortiz will get an offer of at least 3 years. The guy has been one of the very best hitters in baseball over the last few years.


Both of those guys are able to play for all 30 franchises. Ortiz is too fat and old to play in the field, even if he wanted to, so he's limited to 15 teams at best. That would have an effect on his hypothetical market value.
   41. The Yankee Clapper Posted: January 28, 2014 at 04:35 PM (#4647573)
Todd Helton - 17

Retired, no?
   42. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: January 28, 2014 at 04:37 PM (#4647576)
Didn't Frank Thomas used to do this every year around this time? Of course, my recollection is that Frank signed a gazillion year deal with the White Sox just before he had his best years. He was actually kind of underpaid for a great ballplayer.
He was pretty much Frank Thomas from the beginning. He had a 177 OPS+ in his first year (60 games) and then between 174 and 181 in six of his first seven full years. The outlier was a 212.
   43. SoSH U at work Posted: January 28, 2014 at 04:39 PM (#4647578)

Retired, no?


Yes. Either he shouldn't be on RR's list or Mo should.

There's also a good chance the casual fan wouldn't know which Molina is which, let alone identify Yadier with a particular team.


On the other hand, if you limited the query to the spot just below the chin and just above the collar bone, Yadi is probably the most identifiable guy in all of baseballdom.

   44. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 28, 2014 at 04:45 PM (#4647582)
Retired, no?


TIL Todd Helton retired.

Varitek had 15 if we count his 1 game in 1997.


Fittingly, there's bizarre Varitek when it comes to the Sox trading history - Bagwell also had 15.


15 for Ryne Sandberg outside his 6 PAs with Philly.
   45. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 28, 2014 at 04:57 PM (#4647587)
You think you guys are old, I have trouble remembering that the Brewers play in the National League.


The what? Oh right, the team that used to be the Pilots.
   46. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: January 28, 2014 at 05:19 PM (#4647597)
You think you guys are old, I have trouble remembering that the Brewers play in the National League

I thought they played in Baltimore
   47. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: January 28, 2014 at 06:40 PM (#4647664)
Eh, I've been out of the U.S. for so long that I was shocked to see the SF Giants and Seattle Seahawks playing for the NFC title the other day. When did that happen? I remember the days of Largent in the kingdome against the Raiders on Monday night football. But then I'm old enough to remember when the booth was manned by Cosell, Meredith and Gifford.
Sorry, I still think of the Brewers as an AL team...
   48. vortex of dissipation Posted: January 28, 2014 at 06:44 PM (#4647669)
Eh, I've been out of the U.S. for so long that I was shocked to see the SF Giants and Seattle Seahawks playing for the NFC title the other day


I'd be very shocked to see the SF Giants playing for the NFC title. Although that Sandoval guy is one hell of an offensive tackle.
   49. villageidiom Posted: January 28, 2014 at 07:05 PM (#4647682)
You think you guys are old, I have trouble remembering that the Brewers play in the National League

I thought they played in Baltimore


Both professional sports teams in Baltimore used to be the Browns.
   50. Greg K Posted: January 28, 2014 at 07:45 PM (#4647709)
You think you guys are old, I have trouble remembering that the Brewers play in the National League.

Tell me about it. I can vaguely recall the days of the Astros being in the National League.
   51. Walt Davis Posted: January 28, 2014 at 08:07 PM (#4647717)
15 for Ryne Sandberg outside his 6 PAs with Philly.

The Cubs have a lot of guys like this. Santo had 418 PA for the White Sox; Hartnett had 165 PA for the Giants; Chance had 33 PA for the Yanks; Cavaretta had 192 PA with the White Sox; Root had 60 IP for the Browns; Zambrano had (?) 132 IP for the Marlins.

We sometimes have the "single-franchise lineup" thread and for most teams it's quite pathetic in the end -- the Cubs with Banks and Hack are off to an excellent start. If we went with a "95% lineup" (or whatever), the Cubs would have a very impressive lineup starting with the IF of Hartnett-Chance-Sandberg-Banks-Santo with Hack moved off somewhere (LF probably). But probably a lot of teams would look a lot more impressive under the 95% rule.
   52. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: January 28, 2014 at 08:45 PM (#4647731)
We sometimes have the "single-franchise lineup" thread and for most teams it's quite pathetic in the end -- the Cubs with Banks and Hack are off to an excellent start.


Cubs also have Anson. But after the big three, the dropoff is steep. 4th place is probably Charlie Hollocher. I have no idea who their ace starter would be.
   53. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: January 28, 2014 at 09:05 PM (#4647740)
I'd be very shocked to see the SF Giants playing for the NFC title.


Oh bugger. I meant Niners of course. Still weird seeing the Seahawks represent the NFC.


He signs with another team and...


Ignoring YR's typically droll finish to anything he says, this should read: "and he doesn't make the HOF"

I think he's on the cusp now but he needs 2 more solid years and they need to happen in a Red Sox uniform. If he's doing his thing for the Royals, then who cares. I know this isn't terribly analytical, but I think for a guy like Ortiz the Boston part of the narrative is huge for his HOF chances.
   54. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 28, 2014 at 09:44 PM (#4647757)
In a world where Curtis Granderson is worth 4/$60M, and Scott Kazmir worth 2/$20...


What is, the trailer for the most boring movie ever?
   55. Srul Itza Posted: January 28, 2014 at 09:52 PM (#4647761)
I think he's on the cusp now but he needs 2 more solid years and they need to happen in a Red Sox uniform. If he's doing his thing for the Royals, then who cares. I know this isn't terribly analytical, but I think for a guy like Ortiz the Boston part of the narrative is huge for his HOF chances.


I agree about the effect of him going to the Royals. But if goes to a team with a real chance, and helps lead it to a pennant or World Series, that could be a huge boost to his HOF case.

Then again, if he went to the Royals, and led them to a World Series, they might not even wait the five years to induct him -- or for the second miracle necessary to canonize him.
   56. Walt Davis Posted: January 29, 2014 at 02:24 AM (#4647830)
What is, the trailer for the most boring movie ever?

C'mon, Moneyball wasn't THAT boring.
   57. God Posted: January 29, 2014 at 03:03 AM (#4647835)
Cap Anson played for Rockford and Philadelphia in the National Association, which for me at least means he doesn't qualify.

Anyway, here's the team I think might win a league with all single-franchise lineups:

C Roy Campanella
1B Wes Parker
2B Jackie Robinson
3B Jim Gilliam
SS Pee Wee Reese
LF Andre Ethier
OF Matt Kemp
RF Carl Furillo

P Sandy Koufax
P Clayton Kershaw
P Don Drysdale
P Carl Erskine
   58. The Yankee Clapper Posted: January 30, 2014 at 09:59 PM (#4649076)
Anyway, here's the team I think might win a league with all single-franchise lineups . . .

Not bad - 5 Hall of Famers, but some of those guys might not qualify once their career is over. Here's one that will likely have at least 7 Hall of Famers:

C Bill Dickey
1B Lou Gehrig
2B Bobby Richardson
3B Red Rolfe
SS Derek Jeter
LF Mickey Mantle
CF Joe DiMaggio
RF Bernie Williams

P Whitey Ford
P Ron Guidry
P Spud Chandler
P Mel Stottlemyre
P Mariano Rivera


   59. Blackadder Posted: January 30, 2014 at 10:18 PM (#4649080)
You could slide Jeter over to third and play Rizzuto at short. Also if you have a DH you would move Gehrig there and put Mattingly at first.
   60. SoSH U at work Posted: January 30, 2014 at 10:37 PM (#4649090)
The Sox lineup is pretty solid across the board. Their lowest WAR guy was a pretty good player who just couldn't stay healthy.

(And I never use active guys for these types of things - though I wouldn't quibble with Jeter's inclusion).

C - Jason Varitek
1B - Yaz
2B - Bobby Doerr
SS - Rico Petrocelli
3B - Tim Naehring
LF - Jim Rice
CF - Joe DiMaggio
RF - Ted Williams

P - Mel Parnell
P - Tex Hughson
P - Ray Collins
P - Bob Stanley
P - Rube Foster

Should you employ a DH, Ted fills that role and Greenwell moves to right.

   61. The Yankee Clapper Posted: January 30, 2014 at 10:49 PM (#4649096)
The Sox lineup is pretty solid across the board.
. . .
CF - Joe DiMaggio


Objection!
   62. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: January 30, 2014 at 10:58 PM (#4649097)
Ortiz is just doing his annual thing. We all know how this story goes:

1) Ortiz has a good-to-excellent season in 2014.
2) The Red Sox offer him a qualifying offer, which will be about $14.5 million for 2015.
3) He rejects it, and no team in their right mind comes close to offering him more than $14.5 million - even for one season - because that's a ton of money for a then-39-year-old DH, plus the loss of a draft pick.
4) The Red Sox tell him, "We love you - find out what the best deal is out there for you, and come back to us. It will probably have an AAV of less than $14.5 million. If it's more, we'll match it for 2015. If it's less (which it will be), then we'll give you $14.5 million for next year, or 2/$22, whichever you'd prefer. Have a great winter.
5) Ortiz comes back soon after, receiving no competitive offers, signs his 2 yr deal, and at the press conference says he took a "hometown discount" because he loves Boston so much.
6) He retires after the 2016 season, limping to the finish line in his final season.
   63. SoSH U at work Posted: January 30, 2014 at 11:11 PM (#4649102)
Objection!


####. How the hell did I write the lesser DiMaggio?

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