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I like the move by Collins. And I think it's fine that Wright complained.

Agree totally with Collins here. Why put a guy playing that well, who has already suffered from being skulled by a fastball, in the line of fire? Instead tell the genius that signed Carrasco to eat the money and release him.

Eh. We need every game. Pulling your two most only productive hitters in the 6th - 8 runs is not 12 runs - is lame, to me. But I see eeryone's point. Collins' and Wright are fine, I'm sure.

Pulling your two most only productive hitters in the 6th - 8 runs is not 12 runs - is lame, to me.

I didn't think there was any way they were coming back in that game-- not with Gallardo throwing well and the Mets not really approaching him with any sort of plan. Hard to mount an 8-run comeback with Cedeno and Nickeas in the lineup, and Ike playing like a half-rotten zombie.

So the Brewers will throw at Wright next time they play the Mets instead.

If, for example, Carrasco could locate a fastball where he wanted, Rick Weeks wouldn't have murdered the previous pitch.

Heh.

guapo

no. current manager is not ned yost. in fact ron r has made it pretty clear he considers throwing at hitters unacceptable. when the cubs hit multiple brewers last week it was marcum taking it upon himself to nail a cub. ron was not pleased

I didn't think there was any way they were coming back in that game-- not with Gallardo throwing well and the Mets not really approaching him with any sort of plan.

Don't disagree with you, although it was Greinke pitching, not Gallardo.

Don't disagree with you, although it was Greinke pitching, not Gallardo.

My bad. It's the G thing,

and Ike playing like a half-rotten zombie.

Oh, he's only half rotted?

My bad. It's the G thing,

Damn auto-correct!

Ike playing like a half-rotten zombie.

Guh, yeah. I keep waiting for him to snap out of it but between the Valley Fever and the ankle, this is starting to smell like a lost season. Would it be totally verboten to give him a quick DL stint to let him reset, rest and hopefully get himself in order?

I think they should option Davis down to Buffalo when Bay gets back.

It’s not just that he’s not hitting. Ike has been…unpleasant to watch. He’s arguing with umpires, making huge errors on the field, and can’t stop flailing at breaking balls. They just can’t keep running him out there.

Oh, he's only half rotted?

He did pop a couple of HRs last week. When a fully-rotted zombie makes solid contact, it usually snaps the arms off.

Would it be totally verboten to give him a quick DL stint to let him reset, rest and hopefully get himself in order?

It looks like he got the flu at precisely the wrong time...

It's hard to imagine Terry Collins losing the respect of his players.

I didn't think there was any way they were coming back in that game-- not with Gallardo throwing well and the Mets not really approaching him with any sort of plan.

Maybe I'm just being pedantic, but do you really think they didn't have a plan? It seems far more likely that it wasn't a tactical mistake but simply a matter of execution.

Sorry to nitpick, but I dislike when the terminology of other sports worms its way into baseball.

but do you really think they didn't have a plan?

I wasn't watching the game too closely, but it seemed like they were really struggling with the slider. So maybe they had a plan (maybe they are Cylons!), but Greinke being so nasty with the slider messed it up and they were unable to readjust that plan accordingly.

I wasn't watching the game too closely, but it seemed like they were really struggling with the slider. So maybe they had a plan (maybe they are Cylons!), but Greinke being so nasty with the slider messed it up and they were unable to readjust that plan accordingly.

So, they claimed to have a plan but in retrospect had absolutely no plan at all.

So, they claimed to have a plan but in retrospect had absolutely no plan at all.

I have no idea why you're objecting to what I wrote.

It seems like the slider messed them up, and they were unable to deal with it. They looked like they had no plan for that eventuality. Maybe they did. The standard Met blueprint (plan?) of seeing a lot of pitches, drawing walks, and hitting some singles has worked surprisingly well this season, but it was clear early on that it was not yielding good results against Greinke. Again, I have no idea what sort of conversations went on about this, that's just how it looked to me.

Sorry to nitpick, but I dislike when the terminology of other sports worms its way into baseball.

What "terminology of other sports" are you referring to? There's no planning in baseball?

I have no idea why you're objecting to what I wrote.

The Cylons. They appeared to have a plan, but eventually it was clear that there was never a plan.

Sorry, the 'claimed to have a plan bit' is just my standard complaint about BSG. I shouldn't have quoted the whole sentence, since I was going off on a tangent.

The 'terminology of other sports' is the idea that failure in baseball has almost anything to do with planning. I mean, were they unaware that Greinke has a good slider? That surely can't be the case. I'm sure they had a plan for it and just failed to execute that plan, because Greinke is really good and hitting a baseball is really hard. I don't know why it needs to be any more complicated than that.

In more dynamic games, you might often face circumstances where you actually don't have a plan. You might not have a plan for dealing with a zone defense or a 3-3-3-1 system or a (insert football term for an offensive strategy). Baseball is not very complicated in that respect, and I don't like like phrases which pretend that it is. You do need to 'plan' in baseball, obviously. But since the variables are far more limited, you can plan fairly extensively and it's unlikely that people haven't done so.

Again, it is nitpicking in the extreme. I don't mean to imply that this is a big deal.

Sorry, the 'claimed to have a plan bit' is just my standard complaint about BSG. I shouldn't have quoted the whole sentence, since I was going off on a tangent.

Gotcha.

You do need to 'plan' in baseball, obviously. But since the variables are far more limited, you can plan fairly extensively and it's unlikely that people haven't done so.

I disagree completely. Baseball players are not computer programs-- they have days when they are executing particular aspects of their craft very well and days when they aren't. With pitchers, that's a huge variable. Having team a plan for facing a pitcher, or a pitcher having a plan for facing a lineup, is essential, and that plan has to be adjusted as the game goes on.

if the mets were used a scouting report from a few weeks i could understand thinking to focus on the fastball/change and not worry about the slider because zack had been throwing it in the dirt half the time

the last few games he has been pretty locked in and making hitters look bad

if he pitches like this all season and the bullpen stops stinking like a rendering plant at high noon in july he could put up some really impressive numbers