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Sunday, September 26, 2010

Davidoff: On Phil Hughes replacing Dustin Moseley

All the better to… ACHACHACHACHACHACHACHA!

It’s panic.

Running-down-the-street-and-screaming, boarding-up-your-doors, dialing-911 panic…

I asked Joe Girardi what sort of message he thought he was sending to his players with this move.

“I think the message is that we’re trying to win games,” Girardi said. “That we’re throwing a guy out there that’s 17-5 (actually 17-8), and we’re trying to win games, and we’re trying to win our division. I have never stated during the course of this that we’re not trying to win our division.” ...

They should be fine. But they probably would’ve been fine with their original plan, and now we’ll see what their postseason rotation will look like. By originally scheduling Hughes for Wednesday, they had set it up so that he would’ve had exactly eight days before that start, and then before a potential ALDS Game 2 start.

That potential plan has been disrupted now. Doing a cost-benefit analysis, is trying to bury the Red Sox worth that sacrifice? It depends on tonight’s result.

The District Attorney Posted: September 26, 2010 at 11:30 PM | 23 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Rich Posted: September 27, 2010 at 02:47 PM (#3649423)
Hughes should have been scheduled to start because they hadn't clinched a playoff spot.
   2. Jose Can You Seabiscuit Posted: September 27, 2010 at 02:56 PM (#3649434)
I said it in the game thread last night. The word "panic" is a loaded one, I think the move reflected a sense of urgency that I think was probably well placed. A loss last night and there is probably a 50-50 chance of arriving in Boston with the Sox still alive. Why put yourself in that spot if you don't have to?
   3. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 27, 2010 at 03:00 PM (#3649437)
Hughes looked pretty darn good last night, although I missed the sixth, where he apparently walked three guys. He's throwing his curve for strikes, and not just get em over strikes now, which is a huge step forward for him. There still seems to be some time to rework the rotation for the division series and I'm encouraged to see him pitch so well in a big game.
   4. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: September 27, 2010 at 03:05 PM (#3649442)
I missed the sixth, where he apparently walked three guys

Am I missing something really subtle here, or did you mean a different inning?
   5. SoSH U at work Posted: September 27, 2010 at 03:10 PM (#3649447)
Isn't the slightly disrupted plan of Hughes throwing on a Sunday 10 days before the playoffs start vastly preferable to potentially throwing CC on the final Sunday of the regular season to avoid having a one-game playoff? This seemed, as Jose says, a perfectly appropriate "sense of urgency" move.
   6. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 27, 2010 at 03:14 PM (#3649450)
Am I missing something really subtle here, or did you mean a different inning?

I meant the 7th and two guys. My bad, I missed the middle of the game for Mad Men.
   7. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: September 27, 2010 at 03:18 PM (#3649452)
I meant the 7th and two guys.
I think he might have running out of gas at that point. Luckily Houdini Roberston reappeared at just the right moment.

Given the earliest the Yankees will be playing postseason baseball is October 6th, I can't imagine Hughes starting September 26th will really foul things up too much.
   8. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 27, 2010 at 03:19 PM (#3649454)
I meant the 7th and two guys. My bad, I missed the middle of the game for Mad Men.

I thought Hughes got squeezed a bit on a couple pitches to Beltre in the 7th, but the umpire's zone was tight for pretty much everybody later in that game, so it's tough to complain.
   9. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 27, 2010 at 03:25 PM (#3649460)
Luckily Houdini Roberston reappeared at just the right moment.

I love that little guy. Just another season of striking out 10 and a half batters per nine.

I thought Hughes got squeezed a bit on a couple pitches to Beltre in the 7th, but the umpire's zone was tight for pretty much everybody later in that game, so it's tough to complain.

I feel like there have been a ton of Hughes starts when he goes into the 5th or the 6th with 1 or 0 walks, and then adds two or three in his last inning or so. I figure he'll figure out how to avoid that as he gets some experience.
   10. Melo's Love Handles (NJ) Posted: September 27, 2010 at 03:28 PM (#3649463)
Postseason rotation thoughts:

If we have HFA it has to be CC for G1, Hughes for G3, right? And if we don't, then CC G1, Hughes G2...right?
   11. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 27, 2010 at 03:31 PM (#3649468)
I feel like there have been a ton of Hughes starts when he goes into the 5th or the 6th with 1 or 0 walks, and then adds two or three in his last inning or so. I figure he'll figure out how to avoid that as he gets some experience.

I think we have to keep in mind just how much his workload has increased over last year. I expect him to finish games and the season more strongly next year.

If we have HFA it has to be CC for G1, Hughes for G3, right? And if we don't, then CC G1, Hughes G2...right?

Yes and yes.
   12. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: September 27, 2010 at 03:41 PM (#3649476)
I love that little guy. Just another season of striking out 10 and a half batters per nine.
I'm beginning to doubt it will ever happen, but if he can ever get his walks down to even something in the 3-3.5 per 9 range, he is going to be a really great reliever.

His overall numbers don't do him justice this year, since May 8 he's been outstanding: 50 IP, 2.34 ERA, 57 K. But still 26 walks. Oh David, those walks.
   13. Jose Can You Seabiscuit Posted: September 27, 2010 at 03:48 PM (#3649484)
If the Yankees play the "long" series does Burnett make the LDS roster? Assuming CC/Petitte/Hughes are the starters would Girardi use him as a reliever or just leave him off completely?
   14. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 27, 2010 at 03:48 PM (#3649485)
His overall numbers don't do him justice this year, since May 8 he's been outstanding: 50 IP, 2.34 ERA, 57 K. But still 26 walks. Oh David, those walks.

5 of those (from his season total) are IBBs so if Joe wasn't such a punk, he would probably have like 3 or 4 less walks. But yeah, the control is a problem. Still, he's a pretty good option for a 7th/8th inning kind of guy and when he is on, he's really effective as a fireman.
   15. Melo's Love Handles (NJ) Posted: September 27, 2010 at 03:53 PM (#3649490)
CP, I tried to find the bet but BTF search failed me. Do you have any chance of winning? (I don't remember what the exact details were)
   16. Liver of blaspheming 'zop Posted: September 27, 2010 at 03:56 PM (#3649492)
I'm beginning to doubt it will ever happen, but if he can ever get his walks down to even something in the 3-3.5 per 9 range, he is going to be a really great reliever.

His overall numbers don't do him justice this year, since May 8 he's been outstanding: 50 IP, 2.34 ERA, 57 K. But still 26 walks. Oh David, those walks.


Pitchers who rely on the curveball tend to walk lots of hitters. Just as the same pitch that let Edwar strike out a ton of guys also made him a gopherballer, Robertson's curve (or the threat of it) gives him lots of K's, and lots of BB's.
   17. dingo powered war machine (CoB) Posted: September 27, 2010 at 03:58 PM (#3649496)
Hughes looked pretty darn good last night, although I missed the sixth, where he apparently walked three guys. He's throwing his curve for strikes, and not just get em over strikes now, which is a huge step forward for him.


And he's finally started to throw his change-up with more frequency and confidence.

It's not bad at all for a pitch he recently learned and hasn't really thrown much all year.
   18. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 27, 2010 at 04:01 PM (#3649499)
I think last night's Hughes start worked out about as well as anyone could have reasonably hoped.

Hughes pitches very well in a tight spot, which should definitely help his confidence for the playoffs, and the Yanks all but clinch.

Absolutely the right decision by Girardi, both ex ante and ex post.
   19. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 27, 2010 at 04:04 PM (#3649502)
If the Yankees play the "long" series does Burnett make the LDS roster? Assuming CC/Petitte/Hughes are the starters would Girardi use him as a reliever or just leave him off completely?

There is no "long series". Both ALDS are Wed/Thurs/, Sat/Sun/, Tues.

CC would have to pitch on 3 days rest in game 4.

Edit: Pettitte would be on full rest for game 5, so I assume if the Yanks are down 2-1, CC pitches game 4, if they're up 2-1 it's AJ.
   20. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 27, 2010 at 04:07 PM (#3649505)
The thing I really like about Hughes this season is that he pretty much never gets annihilated. Even when he pitches poorly, he's still almost guaranteed to give you five or six innings. Sure five runs in five innings isn't great, but it's a lot better than five runs in two and a third. With the Yankees offense, he gives the team a chance to come back without having to overcome extensive substandard work by the long men.
   21. Mayor Blomberg Posted: September 27, 2010 at 04:10 PM (#3649507)
Yesterday throwing Mosley was dereliction. Today throwing Hughes instead was panic. I suppose this is managers hate sportswriters.
   22. Jose Can You Seabiscuit Posted: September 27, 2010 at 04:13 PM (#3649509)
There is no "long series". Both ALDS are Wed/Thurs/, Sat/Sun/, Tues.


Oops, missed that. Never mind then.
   23. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 27, 2010 at 04:14 PM (#3649510)
CP, I tried to find the bet but BTF search failed me. Do you have any chance of winning? (I don't remember what the exact details were)

I think it was something like a 125 ERA+ and Robertson has a 115 according to BBRef. I seem to recall there being a VORP factor too, but I don't really remember and I'm not sure it was finalized. MCoA may remember better.

Either way, I feel vindicated because he's still striking out a ton of guys and has still been a really effective reliever despite having an "unimpressive" fastball. If I lose because one or two bad outings at the beginning of the season kept his ERA+ just a little too low, I'm OK with that.

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