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Wednesday, June 25, 2014

Davidoff: This is no time for Derek Jeter to be showing his age

Forget Sergeants..No Time for Captains!

Back on Feb. 27 at Steinbrenner Field, Derek Jeter stood in front of his locker and vowed to be relevant until the imminent end of his glorious career.

“If I ever felt that I wasn’t important,” the Yankees’ captain declared, “then I would have left a long time ago.”

Well, he’s still important, all right — maybe even more important than he has been in a few years, given the paucity of production around him. And because he’s so important, it hurts the Yankees all the more when he lets them down.

That’s precisely what happened Tuesday night at Rogers Centre, when Jeter’s second homer of the season and a walk couldn’t make up for a pair of mental misfires on defense. The Yankees lost an ugly, 7-6 game to the Blue Jays, their climb out of a six-run hole having gone for naught, when rookie Yangervis Solarte’s throwing error on a Melky Cabrera bunt allowed Jose Reyes to score from second base.

...His explanations were perfectly reasonable. It’s just that we’re not accustomed to asking him for explanations. At least not until this season.

In a 10-2 loss to Seattle on June 2, Jeter let Kyle Seager leg out a triple because he didn’t realize the ball was fair. And in a more innocuous yet buzz-worthy moment at the Yankees’ home opener, April 7 against Baltimore, Jeter jogged on a long fly ball to left field he thought would leave the field of play and then nearly got thrown out trying to get a double when the hit didn’t clear the fence.

This quite flawed Yankees roster could use miracles from its shortstop, and so far, the only shocking development has been his occasional brain hiccups. Which presents one more obstacle to a team already facing plenty of them..

Repoz Posted: June 25, 2014 at 10:52 AM | 34 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: June 25, 2014 at 11:18 AM (#4735160)
82 OPS+ on the year--they really shouldn't have been counting on much more than that from a 40 year-old returning from a year-long injury.
   2. Ray (RDP) Posted: June 25, 2014 at 11:35 AM (#4735165)
He's actually not killing the team. Not that he's doing well, but Gardner and Tanaka are really the only ones on the team providing good value. The others range from horrid to slightly above average. Soriano, Beltran, and McCann have been worse problems than Jeter.

   3. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: June 25, 2014 at 11:41 AM (#4735168)
Forget Sergeants..No Time for Captains!


Fun, fun movie.
   4. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: June 25, 2014 at 11:49 AM (#4735178)
Jeter is performing as well as you could expect.
   5. Tom Nawrocki Posted: June 25, 2014 at 11:57 AM (#4735187)
If the Yankees were being honest, they'd probably say this is about what they expected from Jeter this year. He has certainly exceeded my expectations for him.
   6. jmurph Posted: June 25, 2014 at 12:00 PM (#4735193)
Excellent! I was looking for a Yankees thread earlier today. I've not been paying nearly enough attention to baseball thus far this season due to various factors, and hadn't realized how terrible McCann and Beltran have been. And while Ellsbury's bat is fine, what is going on with his defense?
   7. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 25, 2014 at 12:03 PM (#4735195)
Not that he's doing well, but Gardner and Tanaka are really the only ones on the team providing good value.

The bullpen is fantastic.
   8. Dale Sams Posted: June 25, 2014 at 12:07 PM (#4735204)
it hurts the Yankees all the more when he lets them down.

That’s precisely what happened Tuesday night at Rogers Centre, when Jeter’s second homer of the season and a walk couldn’t make up for a pair of mental misfires on defense. The Yankees lost an ugly, 7-6 game to the Blue Jays, their climb out of a six-run hole having gone for naught, when rookie Yangervis Solarte’s throwing error on a Melky Cabrera bunt allowed Jose Reyes to score from second base.


How did Jeter let the Yanks down last night?
   9. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: June 25, 2014 at 12:12 PM (#4735210)
How did Jeter let the Yanks down last night?

He could have made a better plan on Rasmus' bases clearing single.
   10. winnipegwhip Posted: June 25, 2014 at 12:20 PM (#4735216)
Jeter....no gifts for you.

Which makes me think....it would be hilarious if one of the teams he visits on his farewell tour gave him a big gift basket.
   11. Ray (RDP) Posted: June 25, 2014 at 12:21 PM (#4735217)
The bullpen is fantastic.


Yes, but of course the value of any one reliever -- even one pitching well -- is pretty low.
   12. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 25, 2014 at 12:33 PM (#4735226)
This is no time for Derek Jeter to be showing his age


If not when he's old, then when?
   13. bigglou115 Posted: June 25, 2014 at 01:19 PM (#4735260)
Rather than make me think poorly of Jeter, this just reinforces how great and rare good. 49 year old seasons are. Chipper Jones's 2012 with 2.6 fWAR while batting to an .832 OPS may not look historically great on first blush, but it's up there with the best ever at that age. Expecting that kind of thing from anyone seems like a fools errand.
   14. Hack Wilson Posted: June 25, 2014 at 01:28 PM (#4735270)
This criticism of Jeter has to stop, as one national spokesman said today:

"The enemies have gone beyond the tolerance limit in their despicable moves to dare hurt the dignity of the supreme leadership...can never escape the stern punishment to be meted out according to a law wherever they might be in the world...will invite a strong and merciless countermeasure."

   15. Swoboda is freedom Posted: June 25, 2014 at 01:28 PM (#4735271)
How did Jeter let the Yanks down last night?

It was Reyes that almost blew it. Horrible error to let the tying runs in. Rushed a throw. Fortunately for him he got the double and came around to score the winning run.
   16. GregD Posted: June 25, 2014 at 01:32 PM (#4735275)
this just reinforces how great and rare good. 49 year old seasons are


You ain't kidding! The best ever is Jack Quinn's -0.1 WAR, I think
   17. Nasty Nate Posted: June 25, 2014 at 02:04 PM (#4735313)
Jaime Moyer in 2012!
   18. valuearbitrageur Posted: June 25, 2014 at 02:15 PM (#4735324)
I think this season should put the nail in the coffin of Jeter HOF talk.
   19. GregD Posted: June 25, 2014 at 02:19 PM (#4735328)
Jaime Moyer in 2012!
You are right! I misread his WAA for his WAR. He had 0.1 WAR by b-ref
   20. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: June 25, 2014 at 03:08 PM (#4735397)
I think Barry Larkin's age 40 season (his final season) represented the absolute best-case scenario for Jeter this year.

Larkin hit .289/.352/.419 (101 OPS+--this was the Sillyball era) in 386 plate appearances.
   21. Rusty Priske Posted: June 25, 2014 at 03:21 PM (#4735413)
I think this season should put the nail in the coffin of Jeter HOF talk


Seriously?

I am not big Jeter fan but he will be a slam dunk HoFer.
   22. Howie Menckel Posted: June 25, 2014 at 03:25 PM (#4735417)
pretty sure that's snark
:)

Jeter is exceeding my 2014 expectations
   23. JE (Jason) Posted: June 25, 2014 at 03:26 PM (#4735419)
Seriously?

I am not big Jeter fan but he will be a slam dunk HoFer.

Time to feed the sarcasm meter.
   24. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: June 25, 2014 at 03:28 PM (#4735426)
22--Did you think he'd be dead already?
   25. Walt Davis Posted: June 25, 2014 at 05:56 PM (#4735677)
Yes, but of course the value of any one reliever -- even one pitching well -- is pretty low.

Sure but a bullpen pitching well ... bullpens pitch over 1/3 of innings these days.

The issue about bullpens/relievers isn't value to the team but consistency/projectability.
   26. Howie Menckel Posted: June 25, 2014 at 06:31 PM (#4735718)

24 - not dead, but maybe retired a la Mike Schmidt and others

he may just stagger all the way through this one

   27. TJ Posted: June 25, 2014 at 07:01 PM (#4735763)
Yes, but of course the value of any one reliever -- even one pitching well -- is pretty low.


Don't tell that to my beloved Detroit Tigers...
   28. Howie Menckel Posted: June 25, 2014 at 07:55 PM (#4735805)

I think Mariano did one of those Travolta/Cage face change things and is actually pitching some of those bullpen innings. It's the only possible explanation - we all know he was irreplaceable and would leave a gaping maw in his wake.
   29. Walt Davis Posted: June 25, 2014 at 10:19 PM (#4735872)
On the other hand ...

not sure the Yanks bullpen is doing that well. Betances has crazy numbers but the others aren't outlandish for relievers (and some not good). Overall, they have a 4.03 ERA, nearly the same as Yanks' starters and are giving up a line of 241/318/394 -- slightly worse OBP, substantially better SLG than the starters although the ISOs are pretty close. Anyway, they don't seem to be performing hugely better than the starters.

Looking at the AL and ignoring park effects ... AL relievers are at 3.82 ERA with a line of 245/320/378. Yanks relievers' OPS against is 9th in the AL so even with park effect adjustments, I doubt they're any better than average-ish so far.

32-year-old Jean Machi of the Giants has an ERA+ of 1189 through 31 innings. He's given up 17 hits, 7 walks and 1 ER in 110 BF. He's only K'ing guys at about a league-average rate too.

I'm not sure folks realize how dominant the 1-inning reliever is. Relief numbers are still dragged down a good bit by the mop-up guys. So far in 2014, there are 106 guys with at least 25 IP, 100% in relief and with less than 1.1 IP per appearance. The median ERA+ of this group is 136. Do it for all of 2013, min 40 IP and it's 122 pitchers with a median ERA+ of 128.

Don't like ERA and ERA+ for relievers, the median FIP is 3.40 which is a lot higher than the 3.03 ERA. Still, league average ERA in 2013 was 3.99 so that's still a median FIP+ of 117. Of starters (min 150 IP) with an ERA+ of 115 or better, there were 35 of those in 2013.

The ERA-FIP difference is probably at least partly due to strategic walks. Relievers tend to walk (intentionally and intentionally unintentionally) more guys but they're less likely to surrender crooked numbers on the scoreboard as a result. I'd guess the "true" FIP+ for a median short reliever is around 122-123.
   30. Howie Menckel Posted: June 25, 2014 at 10:57 PM (#4735899)

good stuff, Walt...
   31. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 25, 2014 at 11:30 PM (#4735919)
Tomorrow, June 26th, is Derek Jeter's 40th birthday. MLB & BBTF will undoubtedly mark the occasion with appropriate ceremonies.
   32. Sunday silence Posted: June 26, 2014 at 01:30 AM (#4735965)
Im not going to click on the article, but it seems horribly written from the excerpt:

"That's precisely what happened..." preceded by "...[Jeter] lets them down."

am I missing something or is that completely misleading?

   33. bjhanke Posted: June 26, 2014 at 02:02 AM (#4735971)
jmurph - In Beltran's defense, he has been hurt. - Brock Hanke
   34. Rusty Priske Posted: June 26, 2014 at 02:46 PM (#4736574)
Time to feed the sarcasm meter.


Accepted, but I have read some pretty stupid comments on this site, so you never know...

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