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Saturday, January 28, 2006

DDN: McCoy: Dunn played ‘05 with broken hand

Proving, once again, that Adam Dunn is a complete lunatetic…

Reds manager Jerry Narron let it slip this week at a Dayton Agonis Club meeting when somebody criticized Dunn.

“He broke his hand twice last year and wouldn’t let us X-ray it because he wanted to play,” said Narron.

When Dunn was asked about it, he uttered a profanity and said, “He isn’t supposed to be talking about that. It was not that big of a deal.”

...“Yeah, I had it checked this week and the doctor said I should put a splint on it, but the heck with that,” said the man who takes over first base for the Cincinnati Reds this year.

 

Repoz Posted: January 28, 2006 at 02:12 PM | 40 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. GotowarMissAgnes Posted: January 28, 2006 at 02:38 PM (#1841477)
Hey, let's risk a career because I don't want to take a few weeksn off!
   2. Rob Base Posted: January 28, 2006 at 02:52 PM (#1841488)
Rub some Windex on it and get out there, pu$sy!
   3. Greasy Neale Heaton (Dan Lee) Posted: January 28, 2006 at 03:17 PM (#1841506)
A Typical Reds Mediot Posted: January 28, 2006 at 09:17 AM

If he had gotten the hand looked at, maybe he'd have hit more than two sacrifice flies.

Harrumph.
   4. ColonelTom Posted: January 28, 2006 at 03:22 PM (#1841510)
If he knew Dunn's hand was badly hurt and kept playing him, Narron should be fired. Now.
   5. Darren Posted: January 28, 2006 at 03:50 PM (#1841528)
I can kind of respect him playing through it, but refusing to wear a brace in the offseason?

I agree with the Colonel that continuing to play Dunn reflects badly on Narron.
   6. 33Boots Posted: January 28, 2006 at 04:50 PM (#1841563)
I don't see anything in that article about risking his career. You guys are jumping to some pretty big conclusions. I applaud his dedication.
   7. Russ Posted: January 28, 2006 at 04:56 PM (#1841570)
I don't see anything in that article about risking his career.

That's because in the article they don't interview Jason Kendall about his thumb (not that the rockhead would think that his asinine insistance to play through his thumb injury had anything to do with his 100 point drop in SLG).
   8. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 28, 2006 at 05:11 PM (#1841580)
"not that the rockhead would think that his asinine insistance to play through his thumb injury had anything to do with his 100 point drop in SLG"

I agree, though in a way it makes me like him even more.
   9. ColonelTom Posted: January 28, 2006 at 05:17 PM (#1841585)
I don't see anything in that article about risking his career. You guys are jumping to some pretty big conclusions. I applaud his dedication.

How would anyone know, least of all Dunn or the Reds, whether he was risking his career? The point is that you *can't* know until he has the hand x-rayed.

And I'm not criticizing Dunn for wanting to play through it. That's being a fierce competitor, and I don't fault Dunn for that one bit. It's the manager's job to tell him "you aren't playing until you get x-rays." Narron didn't do it, and that's taking an awfully big risk with perhaps the Reds' #1 asset.
   10. Russ Posted: January 28, 2006 at 05:23 PM (#1841591)
I agree, though in a way it makes me like him even more.

Before his injury, Kendall was destined for the Hall of the Very Good, with an outside shot at the HOF if he could finished with a career .320 BAVG.

Now, Kendall will be lucky to remembered as the Mark Bellhorn of catchers.
   11. Rafael Bellylard: Built like a Panda. Posted: January 28, 2006 at 05:35 PM (#1841601)
I'm one of those people who hate to miss work. Over the years, I've had horrible colds or the flu or something and showed up for work anyway because we always seemed to be short-handed. On occasion, my supervisor had taken a good look at me and told me to go home, as I really was too sick to be there.

The fault is solely with Narron on this. He's the supervisor who should have been telling Dunn to go home and get healthy.
   12. BreakOut Posted: January 28, 2006 at 05:49 PM (#1841608)
You can add 1 more home run to Dunn's 2005 totals.

Back in April, Dunn hit one to right field in Minute Maid park that bounced back off of something onto the field. He was given a triple by the umpires. The next morning, on sports radio, a fan called in and said "I don't know what the umpires were looking at, but that ball hit the seat in front of me."

Go, Adam! You da man!
   13. The Keith Law Blog Blah Blah (battlekow) Posted: January 28, 2006 at 06:39 PM (#1841634)
And I'm not criticizing Dunn for wanting to play through it. That's being a fierce competitor, and I don't fault Dunn for that one bit. It's the manager's job to tell him "you aren't playing until you get x-rays."

The fault is solely with Narron on this. He's the supervisor who should have been telling Dunn to go home and get healthy.

The only way I buy this is if the manager is protecting the player's image, i.e. the player doesn't want to J.D. Drew himself, so the manager "forces" him to sit. On the other hand, if the manager really does have to FORCE the guy out of the lineup, that's idiotic. Adam Dunn is not a moron nor a child and really should not need someone's help with the decision to not play baseball with a broken ####### hand.
   14. catomi01 Posted: January 28, 2006 at 07:30 PM (#1841659)
the fault lies with the manager on this one...players , especially younger ones, have a mentality that if they leave the lineup once, they may never get back in (Pip syndrome?) Everyone who's played does this at one point or another...I broke my finger during the second inning of a double-header, and then caught both games anyway because i was sure i would lose my starting spot if i came out...and only the coach forcing me to go to the doctor and not letting me play over the next few days allowed it to heal properly...the onus should be on Dunn, but the baseball culture simply does not allow this...players, at every level are expected to stay in until they are dragged out of the game, and any who don't follow this fear becoming an outcast.
   15. Mudpout Posted: January 28, 2006 at 07:30 PM (#1841660)
Whether I agree with it or not, I can't really fault Dunn for wanting to keep playing every day. If it really wasn't supposed to be made public, then he obviously wasn't doing it to help his image. Dunn seems to have felt it was his job duty to play as often as possible, whether healthy or not, and that he was helping the team by doing so. Looking at his stats, it's hard to say he wasn't contributing. I think Dunn's desire to keep playing despite the injury is neither moronic nor childish, but indicitive of his attitude towards the game, the team, and his role on it.

Dunn put the interests of the team above his own. Narron's supposed to put the interests of the team above the interests of individual players. In this case, with Cincinnati not in the race and Pena on the bench, it would probably have been in the best interests of the Reds long-term to sit Dunn down and let him rest it. It is a good sign that Dunn wanted to play so badly, but a bad sign that the Reds let him do so.
   16. Spivey Posted: January 28, 2006 at 07:36 PM (#1841665)
players , especially younger ones, have a mentality that if they leave the lineup once, they may never get back in

I have serious trouble thinking Dunn believes this. He's their best player, and I imagine he's told as much.
   17. Robert S. Posted: January 28, 2006 at 07:40 PM (#1841668)
Dunn put the interests of the team above his own.

In the most short-sighted way possible, yeah.
   18. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: January 28, 2006 at 08:16 PM (#1841683)
Well now Jeff Bagwell knows how he could have kept his job: never go to the doctor. F'ing nancy boy.
   19. Vida Blew Over the Legal Limit Posted: January 28, 2006 at 08:20 PM (#1841687)
He just wanted to act as an example to Griffey.
   20. Brian Norton Posted: January 28, 2006 at 09:10 PM (#1841720)
Sheesh - Dunn had a pretty good year for someone *without* a broken hand...!

-Bri
   21. xfactor Posted: January 28, 2006 at 09:35 PM (#1841738)
Narron should be fired because allowing Dunn to play increased his arbitration power, and thus his 2006 salary by a huge sum.

Just kiding!

Doubt that playing with a non-displaced fracture was "career threatenting."

We need more info before denouncing Narron.
   22. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: January 28, 2006 at 09:41 PM (#1841741)
MEh, I have had a cracked Right Hamate for over a year now. Rub some dirt in it.
   23. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 28, 2006 at 09:43 PM (#1841744)
He remains a huge University of Texas fan and was at the Rose Bowl for the Longhorns' national championship victory over Southern California.

Why? Why must I be reminded of this?!

I don't like when players selfishly play hurt and harm their team. (I'm looking at you Darren Dreifort). But, if they are still productive and not going to get hurt worse, like Dunn, then it is good to play through the injury.

I'm one of those people who hate to miss work. Over the years, I've had horrible colds or the flu or something and showed up for work anyway

Same here. I have only missed two days of my high school career, and those were due to suspension. I also never missed a day of middle school.
   24. ColonelTom Posted: January 28, 2006 at 09:49 PM (#1841750)
Doubt that playing with a non-displaced fracture was "career threatenting."

Again, that's the point - he didn't have his hand x-rayed until a week ago, so how would Dunn or Narron have known during the season that the fracture was non-displaced and thus not career-threatening? When you're dealing with your best player, you don't assume that an injury's not serious - you have it checked out before clearing him to play.
   25. Darrel_Thomas'_English_Muffin Posted: January 28, 2006 at 10:05 PM (#1841765)
I thought this article curious because this information is slipped out a few days after Dunn trade rumors started surfacing. Maybe Narron "slipped" to ensure Dunn stays on the team and isn't shipped out in some blockbuster. Maybe this is a lot more smoke than fire about Dunn's physical condition.
   26. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: January 28, 2006 at 10:06 PM (#1841767)
does anyone else find it hard to believe that gagne_55 has ever been suspended?
   27. Darren Posted: January 28, 2006 at 10:20 PM (#1841786)
It's impressive that Dunn managed to keep this to himself, even while the team's management was taking away his barkalounger in an attempt to get tough with him and Griffey. In his shoes, I would have been very tempted to blow off some steam about how I was being treated. But Dunn cracked a joke about it and kept on playing. He comes off as very likeable to me.
   28. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: January 28, 2006 at 10:48 PM (#1841828)
I have only missed two days of my high school career, and those were due to suspension.


I believe details are in order.
   29. The Keith Law Blog Blah Blah (battlekow) Posted: January 28, 2006 at 11:22 PM (#1841867)
I have only missed two days of my high school career, and those were due to suspension.

So you're still in high school--that explains a lot.
   30. DCW3 Posted: January 28, 2006 at 11:27 PM (#1841876)
I believe details are in order.

It was for trying to explain to the vice principal that "sucking c*cks is a figurative expression."
   31. Spivey Posted: January 28, 2006 at 11:29 PM (#1841878)
I have only missed two days of my high school career, and those were due to suspension. I also never missed a day of middle school.

I salute you.
   32. Rafael Bellylard: Built like a Panda. Posted: January 28, 2006 at 11:45 PM (#1841895)
I have only missed two days of my high school career, and those were due to suspension.

It was for trying to explain to the vice principal that "sucking c*cks is a figurative expression."


I missed a hell of a lot more time in high school, but was only suspended once, for somewhat the same reason. I guess I shouldn't have talked that way to Brother John Michael.
   33. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: January 29, 2006 at 12:09 AM (#1841912)
I have only missed two days of my high school career, and those were due to suspension.

The Man just doesn't understand your music, pal. They shut down your free-styling between periods, didn't they. And everybody knows Gagne_55 can't stand for that kind of dis.
   34. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: January 29, 2006 at 12:24 AM (#1841924)
So you're still in high school--that explains a lot.

Ditto.
   35. Backlasher Posted: January 29, 2006 at 03:28 AM (#1842136)
But, if they are still productive and not going to get hurt worse, like Dunn, then it is good to play through the injury.

Wouldn't that be a sin. Desecretation of the human body is considered a sin as being against the gospels, according to many interpretations. Wouldn't intentionally not treating an injury (albeit in a way that was considered proper in one's understanding of the text), be similar conduct.

I'm not baiting you, I'm generally interested in your thought on the matter, as you seem to have some scholarship in this area.
   36. "Catching Dianetics" by Dr. L. Ron Karkovice Posted: January 29, 2006 at 04:06 AM (#1842180)
THis just proves that Dunn is a real gamer. The BBWA should waive all requirements and put this guy in right away!
   37. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 29, 2006 at 06:47 AM (#1842350)
My story of how I got suspended:
Going back three years to when I was a freshman, I had a friend, we'll just call him Vinnie so I don't reveal his real name. Vinnie and I were friends in eighth grade, but were becoming more and more different than each other. I had just started watching baseball over the summer and became addicted, while he hated sports. He was also turning into an overzealous atheist who declared that religion is society's greatest evil and critized me for going to church. Although I was a church goer, I was not yet a true Christian as you will see from my actions later. Long story short, he kept pissing me off more and more, I punched him and threatened him. He told the math teacher. The teacher told the dean, and the dean suspended me for two days. (Then, for two years I held a grudge, but then last year, I decided that I would have to forgive him, as that is Jesus' command. Now were cool again, and he isn't even an atheist any more.) If it wasn't for that suspension, though, the last time I missed a day of school was in sixth grade; I'm a real iron man.

Backlasher, playing with an injury is not hurting oneself intentionally. And could you please post the verses to which you are refering if you know where they are.
   38. Dr. Vaux Posted: January 29, 2006 at 08:06 AM (#1842385)
smirk
   39. Psychedelic Red Pants Posted: January 29, 2006 at 02:25 PM (#1842495)
Again, that's the point - he didn't have his hand x-rayed until a week ago, so how would Dunn or Narron have known during the season that the fracture was non-displaced and thus not career-threatening? When you're dealing with your best player, you don't assume that an injury's not serious - you have it checked out before clearing him to play.

If you can still wrap all four fingers + thumb around a bat, it's not a very serious hand injury. He should have gotten it X-rayed, but if he was capable of picking up a bat, much less swinging it, there was no career risk in playing.

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