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Friday, July 19, 2019

Deadspin: Baseball Writer Jonah Keri Arrested, Charged With Assault On His Wife

Baseball writer Jonah Keri, who works for The Athletic, Sportsnet, and DraftKings, was arrested Thursday and charged after an alleged assault on his wife, as reported today by CTV Montreal.

Keri faces three counts of assault as well as one count of uttering death threats. He appeared in court today and was granted bail but was told to stay 250 meters from his wife, not have any weapons, and to remove his possessions from their house within 10 days.

The three counts appear to be for separate incidents in July 2018, May 2019, and July 2019, according to the report. The couple married in July 2018…

Keri’s lawyer Louis Morena also provided a statement:

“Death threats are sometimes said in a moment of anger especially when there’s an emotional situation of divorce and you’re seeing your family go down the drain,”

Jesus ####### Christ!

The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 19, 2019 at 03:01 PM | 271 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: July 19, 2019 at 03:11 PM (#5863245)
egad
   2. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: July 19, 2019 at 03:16 PM (#5863246)
yikes
   3. ajnrules Posted: July 19, 2019 at 03:17 PM (#5863247)
WTH. I like Keri's writings but if he is a wife-beater than he can go screw himself.
   4. Blastin Posted: July 19, 2019 at 03:18 PM (#5863249)
3 separate times over a year, too.

Even Tim Raines is probably like, "I don't know him."
   5. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 19, 2019 at 03:21 PM (#5863250)
Never read a word of his prose.

And now glad of it.
   6. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 19, 2019 at 03:23 PM (#5863252)
Never read a word of his prose.

And now glad of it.


Eh, you can be a good writer, and a bad person. Hell Dickens makes this guy look like Mother Theresa.

It does seem, however, that's he's a really bad person.
   7. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: July 19, 2019 at 03:26 PM (#5863254)
I play it safe and never read anybody's prose in case something like this happens.
   8. jmurph Posted: July 19, 2019 at 03:26 PM (#5863255)
“Death threats are sometimes said in a moment of anger especially when there’s an emotional situation of divorce and you’re seeing your family go down the drain,”

His lawyer going with a pretty bold "eh, what're you gonna do" strategy.
   9. Master of the Horse Posted: July 19, 2019 at 03:27 PM (#5863256)
####### ##### And Malcolm Gladwell mentioned Keri as some kind of baseball wizard in one of his Revisionist History podcasts. Maybe Gladwell can redact the Keri mention and commit his own form of revisionist history
   10. Rusty Priske Posted: July 19, 2019 at 03:28 PM (#5863257)
“Death threats are sometimes said in a moment of anger especially when there’s an emotional situation of divorce and you’re seeing your family go down the drain,”


Paraphrasing someone on twitter: With that one comment from Keri's lawyer we have learned two things. 1) Keri really did utter death threats, and 2) Keri has a very bad lawyer.
   11. base ball chick Posted: July 19, 2019 at 03:31 PM (#5863260)
just like wow

i guess he had divorced the mother of his 10 year old twins and married some other woman. i really liked jonah. we were internet friends when i was blogging and i loved his writing. it's so hard to picture the nice guy i talked to as someone who assaults a female THREE times

it's depressing to find out who he really is
   12. aberg Posted: July 19, 2019 at 03:31 PM (#5863261)
I always enjoyed listening to his podcast because he seemed very personable. I also sat next to him at a spring training game once and he was very nice to me. If what is described here is accurate, I badly misjudged his character. Reading the story made me sick to my stomach. I hope his wife is ok and is able to get whatever help/assistance is available to her.
   13. Itchy Row Posted: July 19, 2019 at 03:34 PM (#5863262)
He used to post here, but it says he hasn't visited since 2015.
   14. The Duke Posted: July 19, 2019 at 03:39 PM (#5863264)
People seem stunned that it was three times . It’s never just once
   15. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 19, 2019 at 03:41 PM (#5863266)
was told to...not have any weapons, and to remove his possessions from their house within 10 days


Not being flip - honest question: If you own a gun and keep it at home, how do you comply with both of these at the same time? Can you get your attorney or some other registered agent of the court to pick it up and hold it or sell it for you?
   16. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: July 19, 2019 at 03:44 PM (#5863268)
If you own a gun and keep it at home,
It's Canada. N/A.
   17. Blastin Posted: July 19, 2019 at 03:45 PM (#5863269)
Dickens was awwwwful. Just awful. I mean, there are a lot of awful humans who have written.

Keri is a talented writer and a piece of garbage. He can be two things.

I mean. I am married, and I've had issues with anger and mental health issues, but directed at myself, and never taken them out on others (or let them become physical, just self-medication, before I got treatment). Aside from alcohol etc, I always wonder what makes someone take the thoughts and put them into actions.

Wonder, but not at all excuse. Wonder the way I wonder about serial killers.

Anyway, screw him.
   18. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 19, 2019 at 03:46 PM (#5863271)
I'm shocked by this, and deeply disappointed. And geez, hitting someone in the first ######' month of marriage is a goddamned big red warning sign. Now I have to wonder about his past relationship with his first wife, and relationships before that.

Not being flip - honest question: If you own a gun and keep it at home, how do you comply with both of these at the same time? Can you get your attorney or some other registered agent of the court to pick it up and hold it or sell it for you?


Yep, you get someone else to do it for you. I believe that in some jurisdictions the local sheriff/police are able to take them and hold them.
   19. base ball chick Posted: July 19, 2019 at 03:47 PM (#5863273)
The Duke Posted: July 19, 2019 at 03:39 PM (#5863264)

People seem stunned that it was three times . It’s never just once


THIS

as my brother once said - there are 2 kinds of men in this word. men, and filth (word changed to make the nanny happy) who hit females/kids

i'm really seriously upset to find out that my friend is the second kind. and now i'm wondering if hi first marriage ended because of his violence
   20. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: July 19, 2019 at 03:49 PM (#5863274)
That would indeed be a very common/typical condition of bail in a DV case (the no weapons). The second condition isn't always a condition in all DV cases, but is often one we would ask for in our DAs office, particularly a serious DV assault where the Victim wants absolutely nothing to do with the Defendant.. Typically what happens is, the defendant arranges with the County Sherriff's office (which in our county provided the bailiff services for the court) to make a supervised visit to the premises for this purpose. I think the specifics of course are not hashed out in great detail at the bail hearing, as I'd imagine there's going to be some vagueness, or dispute as to what constitutes 'his possessions'.

Your last question is a particularly good one, as fulfilling that condition is really difficult in a case where there is cash bail, and the defendant can't post it and remains in custody.
   21. JAHV Posted: July 19, 2019 at 03:53 PM (#5863276)
His lawyer going with a pretty bold "eh, what're you gonna do" strategy.


Yeah, that was a really weird statement. "Let he among us who hasn't threatened to kill his family cast the first stone...okay, you can put down the stones. It was rhetorical." I am not a lawyer, so maybe one can clear up why the attorney would have said something like that.
   22. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 19, 2019 at 04:03 PM (#5863283)
I am a lawyer, and I really, really can't see why the attorney would have said something like that.
   23. jmurph Posted: July 19, 2019 at 04:05 PM (#5863286)
Ahh man they've got a 7 or 8 month old baby, too. Feel just sick for the victim.
   24. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 19, 2019 at 04:23 PM (#5863291)
Thanks, guys, that makes sense.
   25. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 19, 2019 at 04:24 PM (#5863292)
I am a lawyer, and I really, really can't see why the attorney would have said something like that.


Maybe there's a recording of Keri making the death threats, and he wants to get out ahead of it being made public?
   26. crict Posted: July 19, 2019 at 04:28 PM (#5863294)
Back in the early 2000s when the Montreal Expos board was the most active message board on fanhome (really!), Jonah was the star poster. Was still working in finance I believe. Seemed like a great guy.
   27. Zonk, your King of All that Is Real Posted: July 19, 2019 at 04:41 PM (#5863296)
I'm fairly sure that even if there is a recording.... even if your client is screaming a death threat standing right next to you.... it's probably day 1 or day 2 of law school that you probably do not say that...
   28. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: July 19, 2019 at 05:12 PM (#5863304)
I am not a lawyer, but opening your defense with admitting to death threats seem unwise.
   29. Lassus Posted: July 19, 2019 at 05:15 PM (#5863305)
Maybe he hired an internet lawyer from old Primer.

Also, ####### hell, WTF, and jesus on a bicycle.
   30. Itchy Row Posted: July 19, 2019 at 05:22 PM (#5863306)
Maybe "My client's family is going down the drain" is a valid defence under Canadian law.
   31. Cris E Posted: July 19, 2019 at 06:04 PM (#5863319)
I dug into this a little. It turns out that in Canada Louis Morena is Spanish for Lionel Hutz.
   32. JimMusComp likes Billy Eppler.... Posted: July 19, 2019 at 06:08 PM (#5863320)
Signed in to say, “WTF”.

Damn. This is terrible.
   33. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: July 19, 2019 at 07:02 PM (#5863325)
It is.
Always liked his writing, liked him in limited correspondence, but ...

Both F him and I hope he gets help (and his family gets help)
   34. Bote Man Posted: July 19, 2019 at 07:26 PM (#5863330)
Keri faces three counts of assault

*battery
   35. SoSH U at work Posted: July 19, 2019 at 08:00 PM (#5863337)
*battery


Canada. (The charging document says assault).
   36. . Posted: July 19, 2019 at 08:23 PM (#5863347)
Did he routinely do that obnoxious and narcissistic virtue signaling thing on social media and message boards all the time? Probably.
   37. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: July 19, 2019 at 10:04 PM (#5863364)

I am going to say the same thing that I said on Twitter and over at the off-site OTP, as well as the same thing I have said so many times over the years here: innocent until proven guilty. It is just amazing to me how many people don't even pretend to accept that concept. (Only two of the comments above even seem to contemplate the possibility that he's not guilty.)

I recognize that his lawyer's statement sounds like an admission, but (a) if it is, it's not to the charges of actual violence, and (b) it's would constitute such incompetence if it was an admission that it's possible he was just inartfully speaking hypothetically.
   38. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: July 19, 2019 at 10:31 PM (#5863369)
At any rate the headline writer might as well have gone ahead and written "Former baseball writer Jonah Keri..."

I greatly doubt The Athletic is going to wait out the full length of due process to announce they and Keri have Mutually Agreed To Part Ways.

e: Just realized the positioning of this comment might make it seem like I am agreeing/adding to David's post directly above, which I am not. Public opinion and private employers are not the justice system or government, etc. etc.
   39. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 19, 2019 at 10:43 PM (#5863373)
I am going to say the same thing that I said on Twitter and over at the off-site OTP, as well as the same thing I have said so many times over the years here: innocent until proven guilty. It is just amazing to me how many people don't even pretend to accept that concept. (Only two of the comments above even seem to contemplate the possibility that he's not guilty.)

Actual criminal guilt has no bearing on whether he's a crappy human being, which is all people have been claiming.

   40. DJS Thinks Apples and Oranges are Similar Posted: July 19, 2019 at 10:54 PM (#5863374)
I should note that while I'm not aware of his exact contract situation, I think it's less likely than not that Jonah is an at-will employee. He was almost certainly a contractor for his other random pieces elsewhere and easier to let go. But here, there's probably language for discipline (I know my contracts with ESPN have).

But Jesus H. Monkeyballs. I've known Jonah for a long time professionally and he's someone I'd call a friend, so this is absolutely shocking. Just absolutely horrified and disappointed. It's all I've been thinking this afternoon and evening.
   41. greenback slays lewks Posted: July 19, 2019 at 11:54 PM (#5863384)
Actual criminal guilt has no bearing on whether he's a crappy human being, which is all people have been claiming.

This is true, but everyone in the thread is also saying they had no idea that Jonah Keri was a crappy human being before today's news emerged. No idea whatsoever. I know everyone has to get their mother ####### hot takes out before the social media mob finds the next target, but we're all middle-aged and older here. We should understand the value of patience in the face of these kinds of news stories. Sometimes the police massively screw up and sometimes this is just of the tip of the iceberg, and, well, maybe Jonah Keri is worse than Hitler.
   42. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 20, 2019 at 12:11 AM (#5863390)
Actual criminal guilt has no bearing on whether he's a crappy human being, which is all people have been claiming.
The facts that eventually come out could have considerable bearing not only on whether, or to what extent, Keri is guilty, but to what degree, if any, he is a “crappy human being”. It’s not that difficult to sprinkle a few ‘if true’ or ‘as alleged’ qualifiers in one’s remarks.
————————————————————————————————————
I recognize that his lawyer's statement sounds like an admission, but (a) if it is, it's not to the charges of actual violence, and (b) it's would constitute such incompetence if it was an admission that it's possible he was just inartfully speaking hypothetically.
The case is in Montreal, so I wonder if something may have been lost in French to English, either by the lawyer or in the reporting.
   43. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: July 20, 2019 at 02:45 AM (#5863403)
Look I'm full agreement with Tom and Clapper with respect to innocence and alleged, etc., but holy smokes unless the (ex) wife is a total nutter and the police have totally misread the situation(slight possibility) then these sorts of allegations(3! counts of assault AND the death threats) usually have some truth to them.

I am most definitely not a lawyer, but I would assume for the police to actually make an arrest AND for the judge to issue a restraining order, there must be some reasonable evidence there that the allegations are true?

And if true, then he needs to get some serious help as that is a pretty shite thing to do.
   44. Blastin Posted: July 20, 2019 at 06:37 AM (#5863406)
If it's all made up (how often does something so specific get made up?), then we can all apologize.


I understand why people may believe in those "principles" but what is the purpose of doing so on this message board?
   45. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: July 20, 2019 at 08:30 AM (#5863410)
Thoughts and prayers to any of you who may be taking this hard.
   46. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: July 20, 2019 at 10:24 AM (#5863417)
AND for the judge to issue a restraining order,

That has zero importance to me. During my divorce, my ex was able to secure an ex parte restraining order against me whose grounds I was able to indisputably refute with a couple of pages to bank statements (ex claimed I had cut her off from the money during our separation whereas my bank statements showed I had transferred several thousand dollars over several transactions from my personal account to our joint account which she had immediately withdrawn as cash) to the point that her lawyer both fired her as a client and told my lawyer she was "personally and professionally embarrassed as an officer of the court" for securing a restraining order against me under false pretenses. I will always be grateful I at least never had to face made-up charges of physical abuse or diddling our daughter or anything like that, or I too might have an arrest record. It was uncomfortable enough -- once I had reentered the dating world -- for one prospect to start the dinner conversation with, "So, tell me about your restraining order."

If Jonah did all that's alleged, he deserves whatever criminal remedies may apply. But I'm going to need more than her side of the story before I sharpen my pitchfork and light my torch.
   47. base ball chick Posted: July 20, 2019 at 10:50 AM (#5863420)
as all yall know IANAL
so

for those of yall who ARE, if YOU had a client who had been charged by the cops with 3 counts of assault and "death threats" which i see is an actual charge Up There and IF your client INSISTED that he/she had done no such thing EVER that could possibly be assault, or death threat - would you tell the media that your client is innocent and the accusations are false and you will fight them?

what exactly counts as "assault"? i mean, legally

and i agree with innocent until proven guilty. and i don't go for the "accusation = guilty" thingy. so ONE charge of assault - well, i want some evidence. same with ONE charge of "death threat". but THREE separate charges on THREE separate occasions and no insistence of innocence from the accused?

i know that here in texas, if one person calls the cops and says that the partner threatened their life or assaulted them, even if there is no evidence, the cops will take the accused to jail

i DO know that some females have done this to "teach the other person a lesson" because in the morning they drop charges. i don't know if a male has accused a female this way
   48. base ball chick Posted: July 20, 2019 at 10:56 AM (#5863421)
#46 pat

i've heard several stories like this before. i never undersdtand why the party who makes up this shttt is not charged with any sort of crime or sued. kind of like a female who names someone as father of a child when he isn't
   49. eric Posted: July 20, 2019 at 11:00 AM (#5863422)
Yes, DV is an "arrest first, ask questions later" offense. Although, to expand a little on BBC's point, it's more often an "arrest the man, ask questions later" offense. I've heard of situations where the man calls the police on the woman, and when the police show up the woman suddenly accuses the man and off the man goes.

I have no sympathy for abusers, but these are situations where the legal system is very heavily slanted towards the woman, and in many cases it is a "he said/she said" situation where the "she said" portion is the only side that is believed. It takes a royally incompetent woman (see post #46) for the man to "win" in any sense. He's in a situation where reality is flipped from where it should be--unless he can prove his innocence beyond a reasonable doubt, he will in all likelihood be found guilty.

It's so bad that even if someone pleads guilty as a plea-bargain, they really might just not have any better choice. Because they can't prove their innocence (however that's supposed to happen) they will be found guilty, so the only way to minimize the damage is to bargain.

The only side I'm on is due process and hope that these situations play out more equitably in the future. And like others, I am not sharpening any pitchforks yet. It's unfortunate, but no matter what the outcome, we may never know what really occurred. But, of course, that's true of every single relationship, including the millions that don't go through the court system.
   50. GGC Posted: July 20, 2019 at 11:08 AM (#5863423)
Man, I stopped by here for the first time in ages to see if there was a thread on the 50th anniversary of the all time team and see this instead.
   51. eric Posted: July 20, 2019 at 11:10 AM (#5863424)
i never undersdtand why the party who makes up this shttt is not charged with any sort of crime or sued.


Men have no chance in the court system. And no one sharpens their knives against women. In the modern world of equality, women are still too dainty and childish to actually face consequences.

Remember the Duke Lacrosse case? It took over a year for the boys to have charges dropped, and afterwards Duke university got sued, but the woman herself didn't get so much as a slap on the wrist, even writing a book about the events (although she later ran into lots of legal trouble, including getting a whole 14-18 years for murder).
   52. The Run Fairy Posted: July 20, 2019 at 11:42 AM (#5863428)
Men have no chance in the court system. And no one sharpens their knives against women. In the modern world of equality, women are still too dainty and childish to actually face consequences.


I don't know what happened to you, but this is either wildly misogynistic or wildly out of touch. Please get better.
   53. majorflaw Posted: July 20, 2019 at 11:43 AM (#5863429)
“Remember the Duke Lacrosse case?”

Come on, you can’t be serious. The prosecutor was disbarred and sent to prison. Prove your point some other way, please.
   54. Cowboy Popup Posted: July 20, 2019 at 11:48 AM (#5863430)
He's in a situation where reality is flipped from where it should be--unless he can prove his innocence beyond a reasonable doubt, he will in all likelihood be found guilty.

Source? Surely you have some evidence to support this...bold claim.
   55. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: July 20, 2019 at 11:56 AM (#5863431)
I have a great idea--how about we don't turn this thread into OTP?
   56. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 20, 2019 at 11:59 AM (#5863432)
He's in a situation where reality is flipped from where it should be--unless he can prove his innocence beyond a reasonable doubt, he will in all likelihood be found guilty.


Source? Surely you have some evidence to support this...bold claim.

Yeah, that's not true at all. There is a different standard for arrests in DV cases (the police hate the PR when they don't arrest a guy and he kills the woman later that same evening).

Once this goes to trial however, the burden is the same as any assault. He's not getting convicted simply on the woman's word.
   57. SoSH U at work Posted: July 20, 2019 at 12:03 PM (#5863434)

I have a great idea--how about we don't turn this thread into OTP?


There was absolutely zero percent chance of that happening once this was posted.
   58. base ball chick Posted: July 20, 2019 at 12:08 PM (#5863435)
majorflaw Posted: July 20, 2019 at 11:43 AM (#5863429)
“Remember the Duke Lacrosse case?”

Come on, you can’t be serious. The prosecutor was disbarred and sent to prison. Prove your point some other way, please


the prosecutor (male) got in trouble

the female accuser was not charged with a crime, as she should have been, or sued. yes i know she had no money, but there is a point to be made. females who knowingly make false accusations to police are not charged with crimes (unless they are poor and minority and not infamous, like the duke accuser)


- as for what eric said, most males are not smart enough to figure out how to use DV charges against females and when females actually really DO commit domestic violence, males almost never call the cops on females, guess it would seem that the cops would sneer at their lack of testicular volume or something. females are stereotyped as being "hysterical" even when the emotions are no different than male anger (i guess committing violence if you are "hysterical" is OK), and also far too cowardly to commit violence against anyone except for the so called "catfight"
   59. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 20, 2019 at 12:15 PM (#5863438)
- as for what eric said, most males are not smart enough to figure out how to use DV charges against females and when females actually really DO commit domestic violence, males almost never call the cops on females, guess it would seem that the cops would sneer at their lack of testicular volume or something. females are stereotyped as being "hysterical" even when the emotions are no different than male anger (i guess committing violence if you are "hysterical" is OK), and also far too cowardly to commit violence against anyone except for the so called "catfight"

The studies on this are interesting. It seems that men and women both commit domestic violence in pretty equal numbers. The main difference is that men are FAR more likely to inflict serious injury or death on women, than vice versa, so male on female DV is much more high profile for the legal system.
   60. base ball chick Posted: July 20, 2019 at 12:15 PM (#5863439)
this is NOT some off topic thread about some collin farell type person who, say, had a 27 yankees signed baseball and now is accused of whatevs

this is some horrifying news about a PRIMATE who a lot of us actually KNOW who is accused of a really serious crime that is shocking (to put it mildly) to those of us who thought we knew him

we are ALL hoping it isn't true

those of us who are not attorneys and don't know diddley squat about the actual LAW are wanting to know more about DV accusations and burden of proof
   61. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 20, 2019 at 12:29 PM (#5863441)
we are ALL hoping it isn't true

I hope that goes without saying for any horrible accusation.

those of us who are not attorneys and don't know diddley squat about the actual LAW are wanting to know more about DV accusations and burden of proof

From the little that's out there, it sounds like Keri isn't being charged with DV, rather assault. I have no idea if DV is a separate crime in Canada, or not. This is the most complete account I've read.


Jonah Keri allegedly assaulted and threatened his wife multiple times, court documents indicate. The alleged abuse began July 2018. Deadline reported that’s when the couple got married. Her name was redacted from court documents.

In July 2018, police allege he assaulted her, causing injury, in Montreal. Police wrote he threatened to harm her and assaulted her in May 2019. Police allege he assaulted her again July 17, 2019.

He was charged with two counts of assault and one count each of assault causing bodily harm and uttering death threats. He was arrested at his home following the final incident of alleged abuse.


https://heavy.com/news/2019/07/jonah-keri/

Since they're claiming actual injury for the July, 2018 incident, that makes me think there are medical records. Otherwise, how could you prove year-old injuries?
   62. base ball chick Posted: July 20, 2019 at 12:47 PM (#5863443)
#59 - snapper

this is true. it would have to be something premeditated for a female cause serious injury or death to pretty much any male over the age of, probably, 14. unless he's paralyzed in a wheelchair, or so drunk he can't hardly stand or something. even if a female held a knife, he's STILL got an advantage. by the time by own sons were even 9 or 10, they were already stronger and faster than me. i couldn't have spanked them even if i had wanted to - let alone have done anything else without premeditation

- i wonder why it is that males don't call the cops on females who commit DV - especially if they want the relationship to end. now THAT would be an interesting study
   63. Man o' Schwar Posted: July 20, 2019 at 12:53 PM (#5863445)
- i wonder why it is that males don't call the cops on females who commit DV - especially if they want the relationship to end. now THAT would be an interesting study

There's a feel of emasculation that comes with it. As a man, being beaten up by a woman calls your manhood into question (very outdated I know, but in big pockets of American culture still today that sort of thing would brand you as a "sissy" or a "girly man" who can't defend himself against some little woman).

It calls forth the image of the enormous muumuu-wearing housewife brandishing a rolling pin at her milquetoast glasses-wearing little husband who looks like Droopy Dog. No man wants to be that guy, or wants to admit to being that guy to his friends.
   64. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: July 20, 2019 at 12:54 PM (#5863446)
Actual criminal guilt has no bearing on whether he's a crappy human being, which is all people have been claiming.
They're claiming it based on the assumption that he's actually guilty.
   65. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 20, 2019 at 12:54 PM (#5863447)
- i wonder why it is that males don't call the cops on females who commit DV - especially if they want the relationship to end. now THAT would be an interesting study

I would imagine it's embarrassment. They're afraid they'll be laughed at.

this is true. it would have to be something premeditated for a female cause serious injury or death to pretty much any male over the age of, probably, 14. unless he's paralyzed in a wheelchair, or so drunk he can't hardly stand or something. even if a female held a knife, he's STILL got an advantage. by the time by own sons were even 9 or 10, they were already stronger and faster than me. i couldn't have spanked them even if i had wanted to - let alone have done anything else without premeditation

Yup, if a woman needs self-defense against an adult man, in 99% of situations she has to have a pistol, and zero hesitation about using it.
   66. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: July 20, 2019 at 12:56 PM (#5863449)

I am most definitely not a lawyer, but I would assume for the police to actually make an arrest AND for the judge to issue a restraining order, there must be some reasonable evidence there that the allegations are true?
No. The standard is quite low; all that it takes is for his wife to swear that it happened.

(I should say that I actually don't have the foggiest idea how it works in Quebec. I am speaking based on my knowledge of our legal system.)
   67. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: July 20, 2019 at 12:56 PM (#5863451)

I understand why people may believe in those "principles" but what is the purpose of doing so on this message board?
What is the purpose of condemning him as a terrible human being on this message board?
   68. eric Posted: July 20, 2019 at 01:07 PM (#5863453)
I don't know what happened to you, but this is either wildly misogynistic or wildly out of touch. Please get better.


It's the world you're defending that has that view, not me.

the prosecutor (male) got in trouble

the female accuser was not charged with a crime


Exactly my point. And some responses have proved the exact muddled (brain-washed?) thought process that results in such a slanted system. In the ultimate irony, people who are so quick to virtue signal about their anti-sexist views are simultaneously suffering from knight-in-shining-armor syndrome with their knee-jerk, ignorant defenses of all things female.

But that's why we are where we are.

- i wonder why it is that males don't call the cops on females who commit DV - especially if they want the relationship to end. now THAT would be an interesting study


Well, just one quote from here.

Some research has shown that women who assault their male partners are more likely to avoid arrest than men who assault their female partners,[20] due to the fact that female perpetrators of IPV tend to be viewed by law enforcement agencies and the courts as victims.[21] As such, some men fear that if they do report to the police, they will be assumed to be the abuser, and placed under arrest.[22][23]
   69. eric Posted: July 20, 2019 at 01:14 PM (#5863456)
most males are not smart enough to figure out how to use DV charges against females


I agree with a lot of what BBC is saying, but for a bolded, highlighted, underlined, 96-point font example of the true nature of sexism, especially in this thread, let's count how many of these champions against sexism get as offended--or even the slightest bit offended--by this statement as they would by any statement that began "most females are not smart enough to..."

Sexism against men is casual and accepted. Sexism against women is quite literally violently opposed. The result is the world we live in is the exact opposite of what we as a society teach ourselves.

To bring this back to on-topic, if the system and our views were actually in reality more equitable and fair, maybe we'd get to a conclusive result with this current case. But no matter what happens--even a guilty plea--we really will never know.
   70. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: July 20, 2019 at 01:28 PM (#5863457)
Sexism against men is casual and accepted

ummmmm...WUT??
   71. base ball chick Posted: July 20, 2019 at 01:52 PM (#5863462)
well actually eric,

fact is that it is because of the sexist view of WOMEN that we are not taken seriously as capable of violence and that we are branded as VIKTIMZZZ

the public is pretty much only horrified by Killer Chicks (like whatshername accused of killing her daughter who was exonerated by the court but not by public opinion because she wasn't Motherly enough) if they are pretty sure if wasn't a case of "snapped" (translation - hysterical because wimmen are incapable of rational thought) - again, the sexism is to WIMMEN

and the idiotic belief that women are by nature, motherly and all that garbage - and my dear man - that is not sexist against MALES. it is a for crap stereotype of FEMALES
   72. base ball chick Posted: July 20, 2019 at 01:59 PM (#5863463)
but getting away from Mens Rights stuff

david
i know what you are saying about innocent until proven guilty and GOD i hope that wife #2 has been making all this stuff up

how could a person accused of what jonah has been accused of fight those charges? i mean, if he was still living in america, which he obviously isn't
   73. Man o' Schwar Posted: July 20, 2019 at 02:00 PM (#5863464)
Sexism against men is casual and accepted

ummmmm...WUT??


Good example - during the last Olympics, they had a male athlete from (I think) Tonga on the Today show. He was a ripped guy, and the two female hosts of the show (it was Hota Kotb and Jenna Bush) were literally all over him. They ran their hands up and down his body, poking and prodding, all the while talking about how hot and sexy he was. They actually rubbed oil on his body while he was being interviewed.

Now switch it - a hot female Olympian shows up on the Today show, and two male hosts are grabbing at her the whole time, telling her how hot she is, rubbing oil on her.

Who gets fired and never works in media again amid a shitstorm of controversy from feminist groups, and who goes on with their jobs as if nothing happens? The answer won't surprise you.

Women can get away with treating men like that far more than the other way around.
   74. Man o' Schwar Posted: July 20, 2019 at 02:09 PM (#5863465)
how could a person accused of what jonah has been accused of fight those charges?

What's sad (and I'm not saying this is the case here) is that sometimes things like this are used as part of a divorce strategy. Want to make sure you get custody of the kids? A bigger alimony? Accused your soon-to-be-ex of abusing you, abusing the kids, etc. Put the onus on the accused to prove that he didn't do those things, or use it as leverage to get a settlement. I'll drop the charges if you agree to give me whatever I want in the divorce. Do you really want to fight this and lose, or just get on with your life?

And I know men do it too - she's a drinker, she takes pills to help her sleep, she's an unfit mother who neglects the kids. Hard if he's the breadwinner with all the money and she's trying to scrape together enough money to defend herself.

Point is, people suck, and the internet makes it worse because every allegation is assumed true until proven not. What's the old saying - a lie makes it halfway around the world before the truth can put its pants on? Whether or not Jonah Keri did what he is accused of, Googling him will always bring this stuff up, and there will always be people who believe that he did do it because it's in the news and all over websites just like this one. So his life is basically ruined at this point, deservedly or not. Almost makes you wish that he did do it, because at least then he'll have earned what's going to happen to him. The line between accusation and conviction on the internet has grown razor thin, and even if he gets exonerated a month from now or a year from now, people will be 50 scandals down the road and no one will care. There are no retractions on the internet, no mea culpas.
   75. eric Posted: July 20, 2019 at 02:28 PM (#5863467)
ummmmm...WUT??


Devastating response.

it is because of the sexist view of WOMEN that we are not taken seriously as capable of violence and that we are branded as VIKTIMZZZ


I agree 100%. And that's a view many women are happy to take, and then use their status as eternal victims to gain even more control and power over men, making them more often the bigger victims, at least in Western societies.

And yes, there's lots of BS going around from both sides, as #74 states.

how could a person accused of what jonah has been accused of fight those charges? i mean, if he was still living in america, which he obviously isn't


That's what this whole discussion has been about. He can't, unless she really screws up. Everyone is already against him, including the court system.
   76. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: July 20, 2019 at 02:29 PM (#5863468)
plonk!
   77. Blastin Posted: July 20, 2019 at 02:44 PM (#5863469)
Man, a bunch of you went full "men's right/these lying womens" real, real, scarily fast.
   78. base ball chick Posted: July 20, 2019 at 02:49 PM (#5863470)
eric

i see someone is very bitter about a bad split up.

and pls, i was asking DAVID or an ATTORNEY

Blastin Posted: July 20, 2019 at 02:44 PM (#5863469)
Man, a bunch of you went full "men's right/these lying womens" real, real, scarily fast


- a whole lot of people angry at females. always seems to come from a bad split, having to work for a female when males are natcherilly superior especially to them especially the angry male, or some female doesn't want to let him screw her and all females should have to agree to be screwed by them (or, i guess, ANY male) at any time

i read the forums one day

really freaked me out. i mean, i got a lot of yew can't be a grrl cuz grrls are dummm and don't like sports - crap when i first started going to message boards, but i never been faced with one of the mens rights haters. thank GOD
   79. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 20, 2019 at 02:50 PM (#5863471)
Since they're claiming actual injury for the July, 2018 incident, that makes me think there are medical records. Otherwise, how could you prove year-old injuries?
We don’t know what evidence, if any, there is of actual injuries. There may be a lot - the facts could be worse for Keri than we now know - or nothing more than than the police finding reason to believe the wife on the current incident and taking her word for what happened previously.

I don’t know Keri, but those here who do apparently never had a hint that he would do anything like what he is now charged with. So maybe when all is said and done, he fooled people, or just behaved inconsistently with how he presented himself to others, but it’s also possible he didn’t do some or all of what he’s charged with. Can’t hurt to have more information.
   80. eric Posted: July 20, 2019 at 02:54 PM (#5863472)
Man, a bunch of you went full "men's right/these lying womens" real, real, scarily fast.


Yes, when men bring up problems they face it's usually ignorantly invalidated.

i see someone is very bitter about a bad split up.


Yup, another ignorant invalidation.

But geez, where's this sexism against men???

and pls, i was asking DAVID or an ATTORNEY


And not one who actually has experience in the arena can tell you anything differently.

   81. eric Posted: July 20, 2019 at 02:57 PM (#5863473)
a whole lot of people angry at females. always seems to come from a bad split, having to work for a female when males are natcherilly superior especially to them especially the angry male, or some female doesn't want to let him screw her and all females should have to agree to be screwed by them (or, i guess, ANY male) at any time


Pointing out that the court system is slanted, very, very heavily, against men is not hating women. But if it suits you to use gender stereotypes to now claim to be a victim to claim power, then, well, we already had that discussion. It's understood.
   82. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 20, 2019 at 03:06 PM (#5863474)
Man, a bunch of you went full "men's right/these lying womens" real, real, scarily fast
A bunch of people went full “GUILTY & A CRAPPY HUMAN BEING”, causing others to merely remind them how little we know beyond the arrest itself. No one here has said the wife lied, just that we know little about how credible her accusations may be.
   83. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: July 20, 2019 at 03:17 PM (#5863477)
Sexism against men is casual and accepted. Sexism against women is quite literally violently opposed.
is the argument that Jonah was fighting the good fight, literally? As a man, this f****** take gives me f****** cancer.
   84. it's hittin' 53450n. Posted: July 20, 2019 at 03:20 PM (#5863478)
- i wonder why it is that males don't call the cops on females who commit DV - especially if they want the relationship to end. now THAT would be an interesting study
speaking in nearly worthless generalities:
in a situation where a man is physically weaker than a female domestic partner, the reasons why he might not call the cops are probably not dissimilar from the reasons why a female would not immediately call the cops on a man in the same situation.

in a situation where a man is the physically stronger partner when a woman attacks him:
1: he finishes it...and now he's the perpetrator. (did she have a knife? was she trying to kill him? well, "there's no excuse for ever hitting a woman")
2: he can protect himself just fine, so why would he call the cops?



also:
do not ever call the police unless you want someone to get shot. they are not mental health specialists; they are not peacekeepers; many of them are active neo-nazis; and once they show up, you will have no control over what they do. calling the police is an act of violence; sometimes that's warranted. but often it's not.
   85. Scott Lange Posted: July 20, 2019 at 03:32 PM (#5863481)
eric is so right. If it weren't for all the sexism against men, we would easily have had 150% of our presidents be men. Maybe 200%!

Seriously though, eric, what you're missing is context. A couple female tv hosts ogling a male athlete is not the same as a couple male tv hosts ogling a female athlete, because the male athlete could put on a suit and walk into an office job and be taken seriously by everyone there. He could walk down the street without getting catcalled every block. He could turn on the tv and see people of his gender holding the vast majority of elected offices, corporate leadership positions, military positions, leading TV and movie roles, and nearly every other seat of power in society. He could live his life, secure in knowing he is at a vastly lower risk of being sexually assaulted. And so on, and so on.

If you ignore that ocean of context, then yeah, you'll see some odd disparate reactions that women have to things that men experience. But if you pay attention to that context - an ocean of context that defines the daily existence of everyone in our society - it might not be so hard to understand.
   86. QLE Posted: July 20, 2019 at 03:35 PM (#5863482)
EDIT: I decided that self-preservation was probably for the best...
   87. Man o' Schwar Posted: July 20, 2019 at 03:45 PM (#5863485)
Seriously though, eric, what you're missing is context. A couple female tv hosts ogling a male athlete is not the same as a couple male tv hosts ogling a female athlete, because the male athlete could put on a suit and walk into an office job and be taken seriously by everyone there. He could walk down the street without getting catcalled every block. He could turn on the tv and see people of his gender holding the vast majority of elected offices, corporate leadership positions, military positions, leading TV and movie roles, and nearly every other seat of power in society. He could live his life, secure in knowing he is at a vastly lower risk of being sexually assaulted. And so on, and so on.

If you ignore that ocean of context, then yeah, you'll see some odd disparate reactions that women have to things that men experience. But if you pay attention to that context - an ocean of context that defines the daily existence of everyone in our society - it might not be so hard to understand.


It's obviously not the same, but that doesn't mean that it should be OK. If the idea is equal treatment for everyone (which is what we should all be shooting for), then we need to not just laugh off when a man is treated like a sex object, or say that it's somehow more OK because historically men have been put in that position less often than women have.

No one is arguing that women aren't sexualized, or put into sexually dangerous situations, more often than men are. Way more often, probably. But by allowing that kind of thing to happen, we do tell men that when it happens to them it's not a big deal and that they should just accept it because they have other advantages in life. And I think that's wrong. It's not OK when it happens to anyone.

And I think any woman who would catcall and hoot and applaud a man being treated that way in that situation has no leg to stand on when she criticizes men for behaving the same way toward women. Either all sexual harassment, sexual objectification, etc. is bad, or none of it is. Saying that "context" makes some of it more acceptable is demeaning to the victims on both sides.

(If you're interested/unaware, go do some reading on the things that Terry Crews has been through as he's tried to make his way in Hollywood. He's been vocally outspoken about the kinds of sexual harassment he went through, and how difficult it was for him to get anyone to take his claims seriously because he is a man.)
   88. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: July 20, 2019 at 04:00 PM (#5863487)
eric is so right. If it weren't for all the sexism against men, we would easily have had 150% of our presidents be men. Maybe 200%!


That's a nice segue into my comment. there is one area of female sexism that is still tolerated, nearly to the point of being encouraged: Presidential politics. When a female candidate declines to respond to political attacks she is branded as too weak to be President. When she does respond, she's a #####. It's a win-win for the attacker. The attack hurts her, and her response or no response hurts her as well. We need to somehow get past that before females can compete with men on an equal footing.
   89. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: July 20, 2019 at 04:37 PM (#5863490)
i wonder why it is that males don't call the cops on females who commit DV - especially if they want the relationship to end. now THAT would be an interesting study


I handled a bunch of DV cases for the PDs office in the months leading up to when I'd be hired by the DAs office in the adjacent county. This happened. I had a (male) client that was getting beat by his wife with a rake and had cans of food thrown at him (his words: I took it like a champ), and there were two witnesses, one for him, and his mother in law. He left the home, went next door with his friend (the neighborhood minister) and he called the cops, described the situation. Cops arrive and arrested him. He of course loses it and the cops later actually push for a resisting charge. In the end, I'm omitting several other details, I did manage to get all of this knocked to non-criminal disorderly conduct. DAs office in this co. gives next to no quarter on DV charges against men. Wife had 101 holes in her statements, and was likely not going to cooperate with DA if this circus actually saw a trial. Meanwhile the judge wants the crap off his docket in the worst way. Such is live in a DV court in a large metropolitan area.

I always talk about nearly everybody is guilty of disorderly conduct at least once in their lives.

Point is, the husband calls the cops on a DV matter, odds are good, he's getting collared (too).
   90. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 20, 2019 at 04:47 PM (#5863493)
Point is, the husband calls the cops on a DV matter, odds are good, he's getting collared (too).

That seems sub-optimal.
   91. Cowboy Popup Posted: July 20, 2019 at 05:03 PM (#5863495)
Point is, the husband calls the cops on a DV matter, odds are good, he's getting collared (too).

I'm shocked, shocked, to hear that cops will abuse their power regularly under any circumstance. Good thing there weren't any dogs around when they got called.
   92. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 20, 2019 at 05:11 PM (#5863496)
I'm shocked, shocked, to hear that cops will abuse their power regularly under any circumstance. Good thing there weren't any dogs around when they got called.

That's not them abusing their power, they're following instructions from their Dept. and political bosses.

There's no fallout from a man unjustly spending a night on 10 in jail. There's tons of fallout if a woman gets hurt or killed after the police have been there.
   93. Cowboy Popup Posted: July 20, 2019 at 05:17 PM (#5863497)
That's not them abusing their power, they're following instructions from their Dept. and political bosses.

Arresting people they know are innocent is exactly abusing their power. Actually, it's a crime.

There's no fallout from a man unjustly spending a night on 10 in jail. There's tons of fallout if a woman gets hurt or killed after the police have been there.


There easily could be. Hundreds of people die in jail every year. Given the track record of our justice system, many of them are probably innocent.

And some might argue that law enforcement acting illegally as a matter of practice has all sorts of consequences beyond what happens to some poor victim who ends up behind bars for one of the worst nights of his/her life.
   94. Baldrick Posted: July 20, 2019 at 05:27 PM (#5863498)
Edit: nevermind. This is clearly just OTP and I should know better than to post. Have fun, I guess.
   95. base ball chick Posted: July 20, 2019 at 05:35 PM (#5863499)
Man o' Schwar Posted: July 20, 2019 at 03:45 PM (#5863485)

Seriously though, eric, what you're missing is context. A couple female tv hosts ogling a male athlete is not the same as a couple male tv hosts ogling a female athlete, because the male athlete could put on a suit and walk into an office job and be taken seriously by everyone there. He could walk down the street without getting catcalled every block. He could turn on the tv and see people of his gender holding the vast majority of elected offices, corporate leadership positions, military positions, leading TV and movie roles, and nearly every other seat of power in society. He could live his life, secure in knowing he is at a vastly lower risk of being sexually assaulted. And so on, and so on.


- this is correct. and what male is shamed for being a slut?

It's obviously not the same, but that doesn't mean that it should be OK. If the idea is equal treatment for everyone (which is what we should all be shooting for), then we need to not just laugh off when a man is treated like a sex object, or say that it's somehow more OK because historically men have been put in that position less often than women have


- there SHOULD be equal treatment for everyone in society and under the law

females should not be treated differently than males

And I think any woman who would catcall and hoot and applaud a man being treated that way in that situation has no leg to stand on when she criticizes men for behaving the same way toward women. Either all sexual harassment, sexual objectification, etc. is bad, or none of it is. Saying that "context" makes some of it more acceptable is demeaning to the victims on both sides


- well, females don't hoot at or catcall males walking by unless they want him to respond favorably. males do this to humiliate and intimidate and degrade females. if that there male athlete had told the females STOP!!! and glared, you betcher butt they would have stopped

- and yes i DO know that males are sexually assaulted, molested, groped and this is done BY females too. sexual assault by females on males is laughed off, for the most part, unless it is a teacher/student thing

not to demean terry crews in any way, but he was assaulted by a MALE and yes, him too. and had he been assaulted by a female it wouldn't be any different and it is horse**** that it would be laughed off

Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: July 20, 2019 at 04:00 PM (#5863487)

eric is so right. If it weren't for all the sexism against men, we would easily have had 150% of our presidents be men. Maybe 200%!

That's a nice segue into my comment. there is one area of female sexism that is still tolerated, nearly to the point of being encouraged: Presidential politics. When a female candidate declines to respond to political attacks she is branded as too weak to be President. When she does respond, she's a #####. It's a win-win for the attacker. The attack hurts her, and her response or no response hurts her as well. We need to somehow get past that before females can compete with men on an equal footing.


- THIS!!!!!


- when females say exactly the same thing as a male in the same tone of voice with the same body posture, she isn't "strong" or "aggressive" she's just a female dog
   96. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 20, 2019 at 05:35 PM (#5863500)

Arresting people they know are innocent is exactly abusing their power. Actually, it's a crime.

There easily could be. Hundreds of people die in jail every year. Given the track record of our justice system, many of them are probably innocent.

And some might argue that law enforcement acting illegally as a matter of practice has all sorts of consequences beyond what happens to some poor victim who ends up behind bars for one of the worst nights of his/her life.


I don't disagree with you, I'm just saying, don't blame the cops doing the arresting, blame the politicians (and police chiefs are definitely politicians) who are telling them to do it.
   97. Scott Lange Posted: July 20, 2019 at 05:36 PM (#5863501)
Either all sexual harassment, sexual objectification, etc. is bad, or none of it is. Saying that "context" makes some of it more acceptable is demeaning to the victims on both sides.


I'm comfortable saying all sexual harassment is bad. But not all behavior that constitutes sexual harassment in one context also constitutes sexual harassment in the other context. Again, if that Tongan athlete spent every day of his life being demeaned and denied opportunities because the folks with most of the power saw him only as a sex object, then certain behavior might amount to harassment, whereas that same behavior wouldn't amount to harassment if he didn't.

Hollering "I can't believe you're so slow, you bum" at someone who is moving too slowly is bad when that person is an elderly person with a walker doing their best to navigate a crosswalk. It's perfectly appropriate when the person is a ballplayer who got himself thrown out at third for the third out of the inning. Context.
   98. base ball chick Posted: July 20, 2019 at 05:38 PM (#5863502)
anyway

i guess i should just say, before this thread gets poopoocanned, that i pray that jonah has been unjustly accused and if not, remember that you never really REALLY know a person as well as you think you do

and that there sure are a lot of erics in this world
   99. rr: target market for blowhard nonsense Posted: July 20, 2019 at 05:44 PM (#5863503)
I Googled the Tongan Olympic guy. As you would suspect, there is more context. He appeared shirtless with oil at the Opening Ceremony in both 2016 and 2018, the second time going for it in the Winter. His name is Pita Nikolas Taufatofua:

When I was chosen as the flag bearer, I wanted to wear something very special to me,” Taufatofua wrote on his Facebook page.

His ngatu (the decorated tapa cloth he wore) is from the Ha’apai islands and the kafa (his belt, made of coconut fibers) came from his late aunt, he said.

Taufatofua quoted Tēvita O. Ka’ili, an associate professor of cultural and indigenous anthropology at Brigham Young University–Hawaii, as he explained the importance of the coconut oil.

“Coconut oil is an integral part of indigenous Oceanian body adornment,” Taufatofua wrote.

“Typically performers apply copious amounts of coconut oils on their body as a celebration of symmetry of the human body as well as a mark of ancestral identity.”

The coconut also “has a romantic and mythical origin,” Ka’ili continued.


Huffington Post is the source of this:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tongan-olympian-oil_n_57b28794e4b0c75f49d7f2b9

I did not watch the clip; it sounds as if Bush and Kotb were being dorky and culturally-tone-deaf at best, and probably deserved a reprimand from their employers, and there were ofc a bunch of Tweets about the guy during the ceremony itself, since a lot of Americans (and others) would not bother to wonder why the guy was doing it and make jokes about it.

I used to post on OTP, but it should have been moved off-site about five years before it was and this thread, although it has been relatively civil, shows one of the reasons why that is the case.

   100. My name is RMc and I feel extremely affected Posted: July 20, 2019 at 06:28 PM (#5863509)
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