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Posted: June 18, 2014 at 02:23 PM | 24 comment(s)
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1. T.J. Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:49 PM (#4729814)Cool article.
First Jack, then Will. I'm starting to wonder whether anyone surnamed Clark in baseball has ever been worth a damn as a human being.
Hell, maybe Tony was a serial killer.
Sounds like he was there. And the word has been in use for well over 25 years. Can't say anything about if Clark agrees about the incident though.
There was a twitter exchange between Neyer about this article as he introduces it with "Does anyone have anything nice to say about Will Clark?" The answer was his Autism foundation and work, and that people who have interacted with him lately thought he was a friendly guy.
It was pretty much the disparaging term for gay men throughout the '70s, when Clark was growing up.
Yes, but the way the world of political sensitivity works
1. You stop calling the "victims" by that term but feel perfectly fine saying it to others who aren't that way.
2. Eventually any usage of the term is taken as incorrect.
Calling a mentally disabled person a retard nowadays is wrong, and most self aware people aren't going to do it, but there are still(I'm one of them and yes I know I'm wrong on it, but I haven't reached perfection yet) people who don't have a problem using that term as a slur against non-mentally disabled people. It takes a while for the rationality and reasoning of why that is wrong for it to permeate the consciousness of the people. Same with the word faggot or any other derogatory words. 25 years ago calling a random hetero guy a faggot wasn't that big of a deal for many people. It was perceived as an insult to his masculinity, not an insult to his sexual preference(or as South Park aptly showed, just for being a douche)
And people grow up... Agreed, add in the locker room mentality that reduces people to less mature and it's a bad story for Clark, but it's not fully indicative of who he is/was as a person.
Speaking as someone who was in high school 25 years ago... yes, yes they did. A thousand times a day. If you were among a group of friends, calling someone a "fag" back then was about as common as calling someone "dude" is today. Maybe we were too young or naive to understand the implications of it - it was the South, and (or so we thought) we didn't have any gay friends. I doubt we even considered it in that context. It was an offhand insult, akin to calling someone a "pansy" or "[5-letter cat word that would get nannied]".
25 years ago calling a random hetero guy a faggot wasn't that big of a deal for many people. It was perceived as an insult to his masculinity, not an insult to his sexual preference(or as South Park aptly showed, just for being a douche)
Yep, this nails it.
(Of course, you hope people grow up and grow out of it. Not everyone does.)
agreed 100%, although fag was one thing, going full word "faggot" wasn't as common.
I first encountered the full word in a "Dave Berg Looks at the Lighter Side" strip in Mad, which must've been around 1970. The punchline was that the kid using it as an insult didn't really have any idea what it meant (which wasn't gone into in the strip, either). Neither did I.
Fortunately, Tony really didn't need any Meryl Streep-like devotion to the craft to pull off sounding like a lame white guy.
Nice story. Tony genuinely seemed like one of the truly good ones in the sport.
I Was Kaiser Bill's Batman!
How nice to be able to recognize your hero's handwriting when you see it.
People are are just bags of water, protein, and complicated electronic circuitry. That's who everyone *is*. How we act are choices. Sometimes we have been taught to and learned to make bad choices, in other situations the bad choices were our own selfish decision. However, at any point, someone can decide to change how they act and, going forward, try to put more positive than negative into the world.
I've basically stopped trying to classify people as "good people" or "bad people" or even "evil people". There are good things that people do and bad things that people do... generally people that do lots of bad things tend to keep doing them, but the causation is backwards. They don't do things because they're considered to be a bad person; the bad things that they do make them seem to be a bad person. The world would be a better place if we were able to believe that people can change their behavior rather than just assume they won't. Sure, sometimes we'll be disappointed, but I think the times that we aren't will make up for it.
Gee, I wonder if Clark ever said that to Barry Bonds during batting practice?
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