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and he's not really all that quick in the head, either. he's now let dickie bennett out of jail twice, and in this last episode, he didn't pick up on the fact that the muscle from detroit was sent to get quarles, and not him.
and going back to the episode where he was framed for murder, he wasn't the one who got himself out of the crosshairs. winona found the murder weapon, and w/r/t the corruption inquiry, it was art who shut it down. he didn't do anything to get out from under either of those rocks.
i don't know how it'd be possible for the show to go on without him, but he's just a complete mess, and it seems like there's gotta be some point where all the #### he's done comes back on him.
it's on him, not that it's entirely his fault, but in the sense that he wasn't able to finish the job. with the existing ties between raylan and boyd, i think a motivated investigator could at least make raylan uncomfortable. there may not be a fire there, but there is quite a bit of smoke. he didn't read the situation. maybe that's understandable considering prior events, but still, they did not come in ill-temper. the fact that he got in a scuffle with the one guy (a guy who had no idea who raylan was) is another example of raylan just being an unlikable ass.
the series started off with him as a fairly likable main character. he was calm, he was decisive, he had some great lines, he shot bad people. but when you watch him now, is there anyone on the show who doesn't think he's a gaping ass? there was a line from the pilot that i think is really starting to drive raylan's interactions. it was from winona in the last scene--"you're the angriest man i know". it's taken 3 seasons, but i think we're starting to see the consequences of that, and i think it's becoming the best part of the show.
Well, she went home.
dickie killed his aunt helen, and was well on the way to killing him. lawsuit or no lawsuit, it's still on raylan that dickie was able to slip both charges.
Raylan is the DA now?
with the existing ties between raylan and boyd, i think a motivated investigator could at least make raylan uncomfortable. there may not be a fire there, but there is quite a bit of smoke.
And it went nowhere. Raylan didn't have to outsmart anything on that. Im fact his whole attitude about all of it was that it was all a bunch of nonsense. 3 or 4 hours after it all started it all went away and knows, for the most part, how to react to those moves.
he didn't read the situation.
Two hitmen from Detroit show up less than 12 hours after one of their gang threatens to kill him. I'm not sure one can expect anyone to read that differently. Was he supposed to strike up a casual conversation with guys he thinks might just draw on him at any moment? Plus I think Raylan was unarmed at the time as well.
I think Boyd is the smartest one in the bunch but Raylan hasn't shown that he isn't quick in the head. He isn't a planner/manipulator like Boyd but he can see and understand the moves that people are making.
1) I personally had compeletely forgotten about Jenner/CDC/etc. I honestly didn't know what Rick was talking about at first. Anyone else? The thing that has struck me about all of season 2 was how little of it tied with season 1. When Rick said CDC I was kinda like "Oooohhh yeahh!! I'd totally forgotten about all that!"
2) Like someone else mentioned, I have no idea why Rick kept that a secret. When Shane rose was anyone like "WHOA WHAT THE ####?!?!" I was just kinda like "Oh, okay then."
The whole thing just seemed weird. Everyone's reaction to Rick also seemed unnatural, as did Rick's response.
In fact, none of it seemed natural. The season should have just ended with the Rick/Shane showdown (I thought it did at first, before I realized there was a #13 in the folder.) The last episode just seemed bizarre to me. This show really is something. From an objective point of view, it's clearly an awful show; the characters are annoying and/or unlikeable (is Darryl seriously the most likeable character? I say yes.) The acting is generally awful. The plot constantly meanders and goes in circles. Yet despite all this, it manages to be completely compelling and I'm looking forward to season 3. It's like one hemisphere of my brain is arguing with the other.
Anyway, looking forward to Game of Thrones Sunday. I assume everyone has read the books? I ripped through the 900-page third book in under a week, but I have been stuck on book four for months. I actually think I'll go back to it tomorrow though, to prep a bit for the show (which is far behind of course, but still.)
What the hell did Glen ever do to you?
Anyway, looking forward to Game of Thrones Sunday. I assume everyone has read the books?
Actually, no, but the, um, er, what thread was it? One of the recent longer threads talks a lot about the books. If you could talk more about the SHOW here and not the things upcoming or who's dead or not in the books, that would be great.
But okay, not a problem.
Sean Bean has never taken a role without a death scene.
re:justified, winona was living with her sister in louisville, not in her house in louisville. she went to the house specifically to look for the gun, and raylan was surprised when she called to say she found it.
and re:the corruption charge and the detroit hitmen and the icepick guy in the elevator and the guy in the trailer with the oxy, and the courtroom scene with dickey and the fact that he got himself stuck with a needle by the male nurse. about the only people raylan's gotten the jump on this season were wade messer and the pawn shop guy, and even that didn't turn out well for him since the guy got shot before he could turn on wynn duffy.
raylan's been in a fog all season. he still has some great lines, but he's just not the same cool, slick lawman he was at the start of the series.
Okay, I won't tell you that Rick turns into a zombie.
raylan's been in a fog all season. he still has some great lines, but he's just not the same cool, slick lawman he was at the start of the series.
"I didn't order ######## with my whiskey."
Agreed. But someone who has read the books coming into a TV thread like this say, last year, and saying OMG YOU GUYS ARE GONNA FLIP OUT WHEN NED STARK DIES!!ONE! would have been a total #######. There are tons of places to discuss the books...and btw, I've read them all and am in no danger of beings spoiled.
Unbelievable. You'd think I was speaking Chinese!
Where have I displayed a rampaging urge to spill my guts?
If need to blab about the death or maiming of Character X, I can go to Westeros.Org.
Irony?
IS the fact that the world doesn't revolve around you so hard for you to comprehend? Numerous people on this board have read the books and have been talking about the TV show well before the show ever came out. But since we all have to be decent to the one guy who might show up who hasn't read the books we're not allowed to talk about the books and show? How about the one guy who hasn't read the books be decent to the rest of us?
How is this about me? I know everything that happens in GOT and I couldn't give two shits about what happens in The Walking Dead. It's about not being an a-hole. I find it hard to believe that anyone would think it's cool to randomly drop spoilers about things like character deaths or major plot surprises before an episode has aired. It doesn't mean people aren't free to do so, but it does mean they are thoughtless. At least put a spoiler tag in such posts. I'm sure you don't enjoy having things spoiled for you in forums that you wouldn't expect spoil them...again, this is a repurposed thread that has evolved into a discussion of current TV shows. It's not a George RR Martin fan site.
How is this about anything I've said?
How is it not?
Well, because you whined about being hampered from talking about the books, as so:
But since we all have to be decent to the one guy who might show up who hasn't read the books we're not allowed to talk about the books and show? How about the one guy who hasn't read the books be decent to the rest of us?
I guess this is kind of about me, as I was hoping someone wouldn't mention when or how someone gets killed in the third book of the series while we're discussing the second season of the TV show in the TV thread. (I never once mentioned not talking about the show.)
Is this me not being decent to you or everyone else, McCoy? Let me know.
I didn't say I was, I asked if I was. My question was absolutely serious, not sarcastic. Is me asking for details from later books not within this season's GoT not to be discussed in the TV thread not being decent to you? Let me know, and I'll vacate the thread.
And yes, you were whining - read what I quoted, it's a whine. But my question is still serious.
(And for what it's worth, I liked #1012.)
That was a whine? If that was a whine it was a response whine to a whine.
As for talking about GoT I don't really care. If it becomes a topic of conversation I'll talk about it. If it doesn't I won't.
By the way, TWD #95 came out a few days ago.
Remind me not to ask you any direct questions. Not about GoT, about anything.
Again, I don't care what you do. Secondly, I've stated my intentions. If something becomes a topic of conversation then I'll talk about it if doesn't I won't. I'm not sure how that is unclear. You're a big boy. You can make your own decisions, I don't need to make them for you.
Here is a nice interview about the series. This is a good quote from Benioff .
Also, just before that
So right now there are 7 books planned, and he is talking about 8 seasons, and combining parts of books 4 and 5 so that characters aren't skipped for a season.
I guess I subscribe to the idea that every possible plot device has already been done, and done long ago, so regardless of whether we're talking books, TV, or movies -- I no longer see ingesting the stories as a matter of "surprise me", but more a matter of how good is the journey? How good is the writing, how good is the acting, how good is the direction, etc.
In fact, if it weren't for spoilers, I doubt I would have even gotten into GoT... I hadn't read the books, and the first couple of episodes of the HBO series left me almost impossibly lost in the swirl of characters. It wasn't until I read the plot synopses of the books online (wikipedia, I think) where I finally decided it looked like something worth my investment. I On Demanded the episodes I had skipped, caught up, really enjoyed it, then started plowing through the books.
Sure, it's a little bittersweet watching season 2 and knowing where a lot of things are leading, but it's still a very well done show (and Peter Dinklage alone makes the series worth watching).
I'm not proclaiming any intent to start spouting out spoilers here... I mean -- I think that season 1 should have pretty much proven for everyone already that McCoy is quite correct 1012....
I suppose a big part of this goes back to my college career -- I had an English prof who used to suggest reading the Cliff notes plot synopsis of any particularly dense works before tackling them. He suggested that if your mind wasn't bothered trying to play plot detective, you could much more effectively focus on the language, the symbolism, etc. Yes, he was very much of the old mindsight that Shakespeare already presented all the possible plot devices, and everyone else was just rewriting them, but still -- I think it makes for a good approach.
Oh, and don't consider your rejection a judgment on your worthiness as a teacher, scholar, or human being (as hard as that may be to do). It's not easy just getting as far as you did, and whoever was chosen, the search committee were going to have to reject two qualified people who deserve jobs.
As for GOT, I thought last night's episode did a good job of setting things up for the season to come. It's funny, I'm looking forward to this season but I have to admit I almost have one eye peeking ahead wondering what will be made out of book 3, which is just crammed full of moments that will surprise/shock/draw a reaction from non-readers.
Feel you. Although recently starting Breaking Bad hasn't made me feel much better.
FTFY.
Sure. Why not? Animal Man and Aquaman do that ####. GL is limited only by the power of his imagination.
but there's still an episode left.
anyway, i'm watching "the departed" right now, and i'm kind of shaking my head at the made for TV editing. rat #### is edited. bull #### is edited. but faggot is just left there dangling in the wind.
I just turned on the TV and caught the elevator scene before heading over to Mad Men. Yesterday they had on Tropic Thunder and they wouldn't let the actors say the word "retard". Instead they used the word "special".
As for Don and the main story I think you can use Don's words about the Cindarella pitch for this storyline. It was a cliche and was telegraphed almost a million miles away. This was the only way to show that Don is tempted by his urges and knows he can't control himself so he has to attempt to control others? A dream? That was the only way? Poor writing. This episode was almost totally devoid of subtlety and yet that is what almost all of their situations needed most.
Peggy staring at her purse
Sally sleeping under the couch
Don killing the woman.
I had been looking forward to the Theon/Asha introduction as it had me laughing when reading it; the show's execution was less fulfilling, somehow.
at least mythbusters is new.
True dat re: Theon/Asha...
However, on the plus side, I do tend to find Davos/Stannis/etc to be more interesting than I found that little faction to be in the books... so it's a tradeoff, I guess.
I'm still conflicted on how well I think they're handling Tyrion in Kings Landing... On one hand, Peter Dinklage deserves every ounce of acclaim he's getting... but on the other, I just felt like the book did a much better job of really fleshing out his time as temporary Hand. I suppose that's mainly a matter of media and the limitations of a 60 minute episode, though.
Mad Men was pretty crap too, I agree. If you're a writer and your best idea is to concoct an obvious "it was just a dream" moment, please, find a new profession. And ugh, Joan; her story-line has never been interesting and it's just getting less-so. The only plot-line I'm remotely interested in right now, I think, is Roger's. Sally should never be given that many lines. Or airtime.
Justified's season finale is like a shotgun blast so far.
i'm still curious as to where they take raylan through next season. his relationship with art has softened, but winona still wants nothing to do with him, and playing "harlan" roulette with wynn duffie seems like the kind of thing that'll have consequences sometime next year.
it's a shame that it'll be another year until the show's back, because it really is one of the slickest shows on all of television.
I had her convinced - albeit very briefly - that the crowd was in fact yelling at Daric "Boo-arton."
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