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Tuesday, April 17, 2018

Deadspin: The Mets Previewed A Dark, Mets-y Future Last Night

When he trotted out for the eighth inning, Jacob deGrom became the first Mets starter to throw a pitch that late in a game this season. That lack of length hadn’t mattered much, as the team’s bullpen had been virtually spotless over the season’s first two weeks. DeGrom allowed two singles and struck out Michael A. Taylor, and Mickey Callaway made his move. The Mets co-ace left after 103 pitches and with what looked like ample cushion for a win. The bullpen needed only to get five outs before giving up five runs, and even for a unit that’s almost certainly over-worked that didn’t seem too much to ask.

It absolutely was. Seth Lugo spun four straight pitches outside the strike zone and gave way Jerry Blevins for what was supposed to be a superior match up with Bryce Harper. It wasn’t, as Harper knocked in two runs. Then it got bad. That is, it went full-on catatonic Mets-ing.

Yeah, that was a classic bullpen (and Mets) collapse of the type that hadn’t been seen from them this season.  And I can’t even really say that Callaway did anything wrong in managing the situation, it’s just that every reliever threw gas on the fire.

The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: April 17, 2018 at 04:29 PM | 22 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: April 18, 2018 at 09:58 AM (#5655826)
When I submitted this it was the day after the collapse. I was going for the reverse jinx.
   2. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: April 18, 2018 at 10:00 AM (#5655827)
I wish it had worked.

Monday's loss was shocking and disappointing. But I kept harkening back to 7/30/15 and the events thereafter for comfort.

Tuesday's loss was just irritating.
   3. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: April 18, 2018 at 10:03 AM (#5655830)
That game Monday is compelling to me because it highlights just how much it must suck to be a Major League manager sometimes. I'm sure Callaway got roasted by more than a few people but in the end it was the pitchers who just couldn't get anyone out.
   4. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: April 18, 2018 at 10:07 AM (#5655831)
I'm sure Callaway got roasted by more than a few people but in the end it was the pitchers who just couldn't get anyone out.


The only quibble I had with him was not leaving deGrom in to face Kendrick. It made no sense to bring Lugo in there. But other than that, it's on the RP's to execute and they didn't/couldn't.

Oh, and I think it's time to #DFJose
   5. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: April 18, 2018 at 10:10 AM (#5655833)
Oh, and I think it's time to #DFJose


Wait a minu...oh, that one. Never mind.
   6. perros Posted: April 18, 2018 at 11:43 AM (#5655902)

The only quibble I had with him was not leaving deGrom in to face Kendrick. It made no sense to bring Lugo in there. But other than that, it's on the RP's to execute and they didn't/couldn't.

But that precipitated all that followed.

I really dislike the modern pitching game, but it's hard to see things going back. No starter would be left in at that point. DeGrom had definitely lost it a bit, but the two hits were of the through the infield variety (well, they all were of that variety).

It's hard to stomach watching a parade of relievers who ALL FAIL in the same inning.
   7. The Yankee Clapper Posted: April 18, 2018 at 04:00 PM (#5656086)
That game Monday is compelling to me because it highlights just how much it must suck to be a Major League manager sometimes.

I'm surprised that there aren't more dugout camera shots of managers pulling their hair out, grimacing in pain, or swearing a blue streak as things head south. How do teams find such stoic stalwarts?
   8. Walt Davis Posted: April 18, 2018 at 05:14 PM (#5656145)
I assume Lugo and Blevins aren't exactly the Mets key relievers. Using a back-end reliever with a 5-run lead is sensible but will backfire on occasion. And Bryce Harper is a decent hitter who's occasionally gonna get lucky against a stud like Blevins. :-) Not as bad as Hurdle sitting on his butt as his relievers hit two and walked about 10 against the Cubs the other day. But in both cases, I don't know how rested their pens were.

We (i.e. I) occasionally give a manage grief for "wasting" a good reliever in that Lugo spot. Sure, there are two on, one out but you've got a 5-run lead. No need to use your regular 8th inning guy there, use one of your fungible guys. It's games like this that convince them not to mess around -- use the big arm to get out of this inning then, assuming you still have a 4-5 run lead, use the fungible guy for the 9th.

I'd love it if somebody (with way more time and dedication than me) would go back through the ages and look at how these various relief situations turned out in the past. Back in my early fandom, almost any starter would have been left in to work out of the jam. True studs like Jenkins or Seaver might have been left in even as things started to fall apart. So how often did things start to fall apart in the old days? How often were they able to work out of it? It's not really apples-to-apples of course given current hitting approaches, current starters not pacing themselves, etc. but at least it's a start.
   9. SoSH U at work Posted: April 18, 2018 at 05:23 PM (#5656151)
Not as bad as Hurdle sitting on his butt as his relievers hit two and walked about 10 against the Cubs the other day


I can't blame him for that one. I think it would have been bad form to make a call to Atlanta's pen.
   10. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: April 18, 2018 at 05:28 PM (#5656154)
Trouble is, they went to Ramos and Familia and they threw gasoline on the fire. When a bullpen struggles throwing strikes, it always looks like a train wreck.
   11. Adam Starblind Posted: April 18, 2018 at 08:49 PM (#5656259)
Ramos is terrible.

Lugo and Blevins sort of are key relievers. Blevins is their only lefty out there, and he's usually effective. Lugo is supposed to be a swingman, but appeared to be more effective than expected and was drifting into more important situations.

Also, how long can they stick with Rosario? He appears unready for the major leagues right now. Cecchini may be better.
   12. Swoboda is freedom Posted: April 19, 2018 at 06:54 AM (#5656341)
Does the guy want to re-write the article today based upon the Nats bullpen implosion?
   13. Lassus Posted: April 19, 2018 at 08:26 AM (#5656351)
I missed what Rosario did in last night's game that was egregious. Baserunning? Fielding? Failed bunting?
   14. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: April 19, 2018 at 09:26 AM (#5656371)
RE: 13

Leading 3-0 in the 4th, Roark was reeling, barking at the home plate ump about non-strike calls. He was visibly unraveling. The Mets had 1st & 3rd with 1 out. Gonzelez got a base hit to right center for 1 run. Lobaton grounded to Zimmerman, who threw wide of 2nd for an error and another run. Nimmo PHed for Matz and got hit in the butt, loading the bags. Roark was beside himself, practically howling at the ump. Rosario worked the count to 2-0 and...

hit a roller to Trea Turner for the inning-ending DP.

The feeling is, if he'd just left his bat on his shoulder, the game probably would have been tied right there.
   15. Lassus Posted: April 19, 2018 at 10:00 AM (#5656384)
OK, that's a little unfair. 2-0 is THE classic hitter's count. Frustrating and irritating result, but difficult for me to let that tip the scale as "NOT A MAJOR LEAGUER".
   16. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: April 19, 2018 at 10:05 AM (#5656387)
Even more frustrating: in his next at bat, he hit a long fly to CF...with 2 outs & nobody on in the 7th.

Couldn't have done that 3 innings sooner?
   17. formerly dp Posted: April 19, 2018 at 11:03 AM (#5656427)
Rosario's problem is that he's not as good as he thinks he is. Vegas gets at least part of the blame.
   18. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: April 19, 2018 at 11:07 AM (#5656430)
Rosario's problem is that he's not as good as he thinks he is.


Well, maybe, but I don't think he's a Jordanny Valdespin-level d-bag, either...
   19. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: April 19, 2018 at 01:50 PM (#5656573)
He's gonna be a glove first shortstop who doesn't walk much and occasionally hits gap to gap. There's value there, but he probably not as good as everyone hoped.
   20. PreservedFish Posted: April 19, 2018 at 02:17 PM (#5656594)
He's still pretty young guys. I do think it's more likely that he is the next Cristian Guzman than the next Jimmy Rollins or Jose Reyes. But he might figure it out all of a sudden. Or gradually get better over the years. There's a lot of talent in there.
   21. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: April 19, 2018 at 02:30 PM (#5656600)
He's gonna be a glove first shortstop who doesn't walk much and occasionally hits gap to gap. There's value there, but he probably not as good as everyone hoped.


This.

From all the MiLB hype, he was supposed to be the Mets' version of Machado or Lindor.
   22. Walt Davis Posted: April 19, 2018 at 07:39 PM (#5656787)
I can't blame him for that one. I think it would have been bad form to make a call to Atlanta's pen.

Atlanta, Pittsburgh, whatever. Have you ever seen Snitker and Hurdle in the same place? I mean other than when the Braves play the Pirates?

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