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Tuesday, October 02, 2012

Derek Holland under investigation for homophobic tweet

Texas Rangers general manager Jon Daniels said someone posted a homophobic slur on pitcher Derek Holland’s Twitter account Sunday that was directed at a heckler.

Major League Baseball is investigating the post, which was quickly taken down. Holland said Monday in Oakland he was either pitching at the time or in the dugout and he didn’t do it. He noted that his fiancee, Lauren, is the only person he knows has access to his account and she told him she was not involved. He also checked with family members, who said they knew nothing about it.

“I honestly don’t know. I know it wasn’t myself,” Holland said. “I’ve talked to my family and my fiancee and they all said the exact same thing: It wasn’t them. I have no idea. All I know is MLB is taking care of it and they’re going to help me out and figure out who it was. I was blindsided by it. I had no idea.”

Daniels called it a “serious issue, it’s an unacceptable term to use.”....

From Holland’s account - (at)Dutch-Oven45 - a tweet using a homophobic slur was sent in response to someone calling Holland a “pathetic excuse” for a pitcher…

“I’m pretty upset with the whole situation and me being accused of something I haven’t done,” Holland said. “In case you haven’t seen, all I ever do write Chuck Norris facts or random facts, `a pig or a duck, you can’t hear its echo.’ I don’t ever write anything like that.”

Maybe it was Harry Caray?

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 02, 2012 at 10:00 AM | 50 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: derek holland, free speech, gay rights, rangers, social media, twitter

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   1. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: October 02, 2012 at 12:34 PM (#4251031)
How queer.
   2. TomH Posted: October 02, 2012 at 12:34 PM (#4251033)
1. Whoever did this, as a minumum, used really poor judgement, and possibly is a real (insert bad word here).
2. A million times a day in America people use really poor judgment or show they are (ditto bad word).

"under investigation"? We complain about Big Brother and movie rating system and things you used-to-not-be-able-to-say on TV, and the sports world continues to move toward wadding up much of the first amendment. We took out Marge Schott an dfew people blinked since everyone hated her anyway. But the ball began rolling downhill, and I don't see any big movement to stop it. I guess no one chants "sticks and stones..." anymore.


   3. JJ1986 Posted: October 02, 2012 at 12:38 PM (#4251039)
I'll bet it was his mustache.
   4. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 02, 2012 at 12:40 PM (#4251043)
We complain about Big Brother and movie rating system and things you used-to-not-be-able-to-say on TV, and the sports world continues to move toward wadding up much of the first amendment.


The First Amendment does not protect you from censorship from your employer.
   5. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 02, 2012 at 12:41 PM (#4251046)
Baseball players aren't allowed to use bigoted language in public as part of their job. That isn't an attack on the first amendment.
   6. cardsfanboy Posted: October 02, 2012 at 12:42 PM (#4251048)
It's not going to be a shock to anyone to see that it was his girlfriend. I don't think that this rates an 'investigation'.
   7. The Pequod Posted: October 02, 2012 at 12:43 PM (#4251049)
(at)Dutch-Oven45


lol
   8. PreservedFish Posted: October 02, 2012 at 12:45 PM (#4251051)
The First Amendment does not protect you from censorship from your employer.


No, but sometimes it's a nice ideal to live up to, right?
   9. JJ1986 Posted: October 02, 2012 at 12:49 PM (#4251055)
It's not going to be a shock to anyone to see that it was his girlfriend. I don't think that this rates an 'investigation'.


Never. It's much more realistic that someone hacked his twitter account so that he could send out one tweet in support of Holland.
   10. Joey B. Posted: October 02, 2012 at 12:49 PM (#4251056)
My favorite "fact" posted on his account recently:

"If you farted consistently for 6 years and 9 months, enough gas is produced to create the energy of an atomic bomb."
   11. SoSH U at work Posted: October 02, 2012 at 12:50 PM (#4251058)

No, but sometimes it's a nice ideal to live up to, right?


Sometimes. And sometimes speech having consequences is an ideal worth living up to as well.

   12. phredbird Posted: October 02, 2012 at 12:50 PM (#4251061)
We complain about Big Brother and movie rating system and things you used-to-not-be-able-to-say on TV, and the sports world continues to move toward wadding up much of the first amendment. We took out Marge Schott an dfew people blinked since everyone hated her anyway. But the ball began rolling downhill, and I don't see any big movement to stop it. I guess no one chants "sticks and stones..." anymore.


*rolls eyes*
   13. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 02, 2012 at 12:51 PM (#4251062)
No, but sometimes it's a nice ideal to live up to, right?
I think that people not using bigoted speech is also a nice ideal to live up to. So in this situation, I don't really have a problem with MLB policing speech.
   14. JJ1986 Posted: October 02, 2012 at 12:54 PM (#4251067)
I think it's a good policy, but the "investigation" part makes the whole thing seem like a farce. The tweet is down now, just fine Holland and be done with it. If he wants to find the real Tweeter, than he can investigate that on his own.
   15. marty Posted: October 02, 2012 at 12:54 PM (#4251069)
I love this site because that "free speech" horse poop does not fly. Unless, of course, you want to limit the free speech of organisations and corporations (oh snap)

Of relevance: http://www.nohomophobes.com/
   16. PreservedFish Posted: October 02, 2012 at 12:55 PM (#4251070)
I don't have a big problem with it either, but this isn't an official MLB account or anything, nor is it a part of his job in any way. It's just a player acting in public while off the job. So I can see the argument either way.
   17. marty Posted: October 02, 2012 at 12:56 PM (#4251072)
I also love the idea that no one blinked at Schott because "we hated her anyway", rather than the fact that she was an effing Nazi, like an actual effing Nazi.
   18. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: October 02, 2012 at 12:57 PM (#4251073)
We complain about Big Brother and movie rating system and things you used-to-not-be-able-to-say on TV, and the sports world continues to move toward wadding up much of the first amendment. We took out Marge Schott an dfew people blinked since everyone hated her anyway. But the ball began rolling downhill, and I don't see any big movement to stop it. I guess no one chants "sticks and stones..." anymore.

what a retard
   19. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 02, 2012 at 01:00 PM (#4251080)

I think it's a good policy, but the "investigation" part makes the whole thing seem like a farce. The tweet is down now, just fine Holland and be done with it. If he wants to find the real Tweeter, than he can investigate that on his own.


If anything, this gives it more publicity than it ever would have gotten before.


I don't have a big problem with it either, but this isn't an official MLB account or anything, nor is it a part of his job in any way. It's just a player acting in public while off the job. So I can see the argument either way.


Being in the public eye is part of his job.
   20. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: October 02, 2012 at 01:01 PM (#4251082)
Anybody who says this is a First Amendment issue should be sent to jail.
   21. PreservedFish Posted: October 02, 2012 at 01:03 PM (#4251087)
Being in the public eye is part of his job.


I would say that it's a consequence of his job.
   22. Danny Posted: October 02, 2012 at 01:07 PM (#4251092)
We complain about Big Brother and movie rating system

Leaving aside the first amendment idiocy, who complains about the movie rating system?
   23. bunyon Posted: October 02, 2012 at 01:07 PM (#4251095)
Anybody who says this is a First Amendment issue should be sent to jail.

An investigation without a warrant is a fourth amendment issue. And they're using his own tweet! That's fifth amendment. Anyone know if the Marines are sleeping in his house?
   24. John Northey Posted: October 02, 2012 at 01:07 PM (#4251096)
The easy way to deal with it is to tell him that he is responsible for his twitter account, now apologize (add disclaimers if you must about someone else posting for you), make a big donation to an appropriate group, march in a parade if he really wants to look like it wasn't him and move on. Trying to 'clean' his reputation is just going to draw 10 times the attention and make him look either more guilty or open up a different can of worms at some point that he didn't want opened.
   25. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: October 02, 2012 at 01:10 PM (#4251099)
or open up a different can ... that he didn't want opened

Homophobe.
   26. TDF, situational idiot Posted: October 02, 2012 at 01:17 PM (#4251105)
It's just a player acting in public while off the job
Except that he wasn't "off the job" at the time of the tweet.
   27. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: October 02, 2012 at 01:20 PM (#4251107)
An investigation without a warrant is a fourth amendment issue. And they're using his own tweet! That's fifth amendment. Anyone know if the Marines are sleeping in his house?


If the Tweeter wasn't drunk, he was violating the Twenty-First Amendment's requirement to drink. Of course, why would anyone Tweet sober?
   28. Greg Schuler Posted: October 02, 2012 at 01:23 PM (#4251112)
Anybody who says this is a First Amendment issue should be sent to jail.


And what of their children? And all the other children? Is anyone thinking of them?
   29. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: October 02, 2012 at 01:23 PM (#4251114)
Of course, why would anyone Tweet sober?


whch bar you at? k thx
   30. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 02, 2012 at 01:25 PM (#4251119)
I've recently started following some people on Twitter. It seems to be pretty useful to stay up to the minute on news and find out about articles that I might have some interest in. What I can't grasp is why anyone is interested in the random musings of other people though. "Hey, I'm at Starbucks, love me a cup o' Joe!" type stuff seems silly.
   31. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: October 02, 2012 at 01:46 PM (#4251152)
I follow some comedians and journalists and, of course, Old Hoss Radbourn, but I barely ever check Twitter.
   32. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 02, 2012 at 02:12 PM (#4251218)
and the sports world continues to move toward wadding up much of the first amendment.


Does not compute.

EDIT: Cokes.
   33. Tricky Dick Posted: October 02, 2012 at 02:17 PM (#4251234)
Maybe I'm mis-reading the situation, but if Holland believes that someone hacked into his account and tweeted a comment that wasn't his, that seems worthy of an investigation. That would be fraudulent, right?
   34. Poster Nutbag Posted: October 02, 2012 at 02:42 PM (#4251287)
Old Hoss is one of the best Twitter feeds....makes me wish Keefe had one
   35. AJMcCringleberry Posted: October 02, 2012 at 02:59 PM (#4251314)
who complains about the movie rating system

Who doesn't complain about the movie rating system?
   36. zonk Posted: October 02, 2012 at 03:04 PM (#4251319)
How in the world have I not run across the Old Hoss feed before?

THAT is some wondrously good stuff.
   37. Bruce Chen's Huge Panamanian Robot Posted: October 02, 2012 at 03:19 PM (#4251339)
What an idiot.
   38. UCCF Posted: October 02, 2012 at 03:22 PM (#4251344)
(at)Dutch-Oven45

I can't imagine why someone might think that a guy with such a classy Twitter name might use a slur of some sort...
   39. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 02, 2012 at 03:24 PM (#4251351)

I can't imagine why someone might think that a guy with such a classy Twitter name might use a slur of some sort...


Maybe he's a connoisseur of fine Scandinavian cooking.

There was once a restaurant in town called the Dutch Oven and it was used completely unironically.
   40. The Polish Sausage Racer Posted: October 02, 2012 at 03:31 PM (#4251364)
I wish Keefe still posted on his blog. Where is the old sot, anyway?
   41. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 02, 2012 at 03:36 PM (#4251373)
Maybe I'm mis-reading the situation, but if Holland believes that someone hacked into his account and tweeted a comment that wasn't his, that seems worthy of an investigation. That would be fraudulent, right?


That's the issue Anthony Weiner raised.

The only problem was that it was Weiner who had done the hacking.
   42. Random Transaction Generator Posted: October 02, 2012 at 03:47 PM (#4251389)
A. Chapman is "fatigued" after throwing 67.2 innings. I am hiring a Rubenesque Italian lass to sing a dirge, as manliness has died this day.


That's my favourite from Old Hoss Radbourn's tweets.
   43. zonk Posted: October 02, 2012 at 03:56 PM (#4251398)
Batsmen grow quite reluctant to hit a hurler with a batted ball if you preventatively beat one of their mothers to death with a shovel.


Old Hoss, pitching coach extraordinaire...
   44.     Hey Gurl Posted: October 02, 2012 at 04:10 PM (#4251419)
all I ever do write Chuck Norris facts or random facts, `a pig or a duck, you can’t hear its echo.’ 


I want him to be investigated for this.
   45. bobm Posted: October 02, 2012 at 06:07 PM (#4251573)
From Holland’s account - (at)Dutch-Oven45 - a tweet using a homophobic slur was sent in response to someone calling Holland a “pathetic excuse” for a pitcher…

It's all a misunderstanding about Dutch levees.
   46. TomH Posted: October 02, 2012 at 07:13 PM (#4251671)
If MLB had a policy to consistently *investigate* every offensive post all of their players and owners and coaches made, because it is their policy that these guys have a duty not to be jerks, that would be one thing. I doubt it would work, because soon players would be afraid to make jokes about anything in the locker room with a reporter nearby. But it is apparent to many that they get up in arms more over some things than others. I don't know, maybe the answer is that the jerks aim more often at some groups. But I prefer a world where the people around the jerks police their own and over time by good example the jerks realize they ought to change; instead of suspending players or owners for being jerks. Go ahead, roll your eyes, call me an idealist.
   47. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: October 02, 2012 at 07:26 PM (#4251692)
Maybe he's a connoisseur of fine Scandinavian cooking.

There was once a restaurant in town called the Dutch Oven and it was used completely unironically.

Holland in in Scandinavia now? Or am I missing something...
   48. jack the seal clubber (on the sidelines of life) Posted: October 02, 2012 at 07:56 PM (#4251717)
I want him to be investigated for this.


I demand Shock be investigated for wanting an investigation of this.
   49. Baldrick Posted: October 02, 2012 at 08:06 PM (#4251728)
Anybody who says this is a First Amendment issue should be sent to jail.

Well played...
   50. Bug Selig Posted: October 03, 2012 at 01:04 PM (#4252485)
Anyone know if the Marines are sleeping in his house?


If there were Marines sleeping in his house, his girlfriend wouldn't be his girlfriend anymore.

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