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Friday, December 01, 2017

Derek Jeter-led Marlins parted ways with scout while he was in hospital after undergoing cancer surgery

Nice to see the Captain bringing class to his new franchise. Just. Wow.

Marty Scott, who joined the Marlins as a vice president in 2011 and in recent years had worked as a scout, said he was told his contract would not be renewed Oct. 16 while at the Cleveland Clinic in Weston, Florida, where doctors three days earlier had removed a cancerous tumor and polyps from his colon. Doctors initially found the cancer in late August as Scott underwent a battery of tests in preparation for a kidney transplant needed because of diabetes.

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   1. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 01, 2017 at 04:02 PM (#5584406)
Wow. Jeter doesn't waste anytime proving he's the ass-hat we always suspected him of being.

Canning a 64 year old who's in the hospital for cancer surgery. Jeeze, you couldn't have waited a year so he could get Medicare?
   2. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: December 01, 2017 at 04:10 PM (#5584418)
“Jeter is just a figurehead...”

“Jeter is personally responsible for demanding cancer-stricken scouts be fired.”
   3. TDF didn't lie, he just didn't remember Posted: December 01, 2017 at 04:21 PM (#5584437)
“Jeter is just a figurehead...”

“Jeter is personally responsible for demanding cancer-stricken scouts be fired.”
If it's true that Jeter's equity stake is as small as has been stated, I'm going with (A).
   4. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: December 01, 2017 at 04:29 PM (#5584446)
Did Scott get a parting gift basket on his way out the door?
   5. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 01, 2017 at 04:29 PM (#5584447)
If it's true that Jeter's equity stake is as small as has been stated, I'm going with (A).

If he doesn't even have control over keeping a $100K a year scout, he's less than a figurehead.

Even a figurehead (with his fame) should be able to prevent something so glaringly wrong, and stupid.

   6. mathesond Posted: December 01, 2017 at 04:42 PM (#5584456)
Grr, wrong thread
   7. PreservedFish Posted: December 01, 2017 at 04:44 PM (#5584458)
Does Jeter have an actual job title? Is this his day job?
   8. RJ in TO Posted: December 01, 2017 at 04:45 PM (#5584459)
He's the Marlins' Chief Executive Officer.
   9. Omineca Greg Posted: December 01, 2017 at 05:04 PM (#5584479)
I think John Lackey has found his future organisation. It's always good when your values match your employer's.
   10. PreservedFish Posted: December 01, 2017 at 05:06 PM (#5584483)
He's the Marlins' Chief Executive Officer.

Seriously? Ok, then there's no contradiction in #2. He was a figurehead for the ownership application that has since been invested with actual power.
   11. Stevis Posted: December 01, 2017 at 06:45 PM (#5584531)
I wasn't aware Newt Gingrich was part of the ownership group.
   12. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: December 01, 2017 at 07:16 PM (#5584539)
I wasn't aware Newt Gingrich was part of the ownership group.

Damn, you beat me to it!
   13. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: December 01, 2017 at 07:31 PM (#5584546)

Even if he is merely a figurehead, in signing up for that role he effectively volunteered to be the public face of the Marlins, to get the credit for the good things they do and the blame for the bad.
   14. Hysterical & Useless Posted: December 01, 2017 at 08:53 PM (#5584578)
to get the credit for the good things they do and the blame for the bad.


May have miscalculated the balance there....
   15. reech Posted: December 02, 2017 at 12:18 AM (#5584619)

Did Scott get a parting gift basket on his way out the door?


DANG!
   16. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: December 02, 2017 at 12:29 AM (#5584623)
Even if he is merely a figurehead, in signing up for that role he effectively volunteered to be the public face of the Marlins, to get the credit for the good things they do and the blame for the bad


And I’m sure unsophisticated rubes will fall into that trap.
   17. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 02, 2017 at 12:36 PM (#5584753)

Seriously? Ok, then there's no contradiction in #2. He was a figurehead for the ownership application that has since been invested with actual power.


Yup. He had no real say on the money issues, since he put up like 2% of the purchase price, but now they put him in charge. Which is inexplicable, given that he has no relevant managerial or baseball operations experience.
   18. cardsfanboy Posted: December 02, 2017 at 12:59 PM (#5584761)
Which is inexplicable, given that he has no relevant managerial or baseball operations experience.



Ehh, it's par for the course for MLB. Stan Musial won a world series in his only year in the front office. Jeter has 20+ years experience in mlb, assuming he is at all intelligent(which is also very likely) it's not unusual to think he picked up a significant amount of knowledge as it relates to running a front office. It probably would have made more sense to make him an assistant for a year or two to pick up on the finer things, but ultimately it wouldn't matter overall on the big picture things.
   19. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: December 02, 2017 at 01:05 PM (#5584768)
He was a figurehead for the ownership application that has since been invested with actual power.


He certainly has a title that is indicative of actual power, but do we really know that he's calling the shots? Actual, not merely rhetorical, question.
   20. dlf Posted: December 02, 2017 at 01:05 PM (#5584769)
Stan Musial won a world series in his only year in the front office.


Six decades ago.

What teams this decade have a person with no executive experience in a position akin to Jeter's?
   21. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: December 02, 2017 at 01:16 PM (#5584774)
Here is the Marlins' FO directory. Anybody know if Baseball Operations reports to the CEO, or directly to Sherman?

EDIT: Does Dombrowski report to Sam Kennedy? Does Cashman report to Randy Levine? I think Friedman probably does report to Kasten.
   22. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: December 02, 2017 at 01:37 PM (#5584783)
Do people really think Jeter is making the organizational decisions? I’m sure like any owner he is signing off on the big stuff but I assume Mike Hill is the one calling the shots. I don’t think Jeter is making day to day calls any more than John Henry, Hal Steinbrenner or whoever.
   23. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 02, 2017 at 01:40 PM (#5584787)
Ehh, it's par for the course for MLB. Stan Musial won a world series in his only year in the front office. Jeter has 20+ years experience in mlb, assuming he is at all intelligent(which is also very likely) it's not unusual to think he picked up a significant amount of knowledge as it relates to running a front office. It probably would have made more sense to make him an assistant for a year or two to pick up on the finer things, but ultimately it wouldn't matter overall on the big picture things.

What makes you think he's intelligent? I mean, I don't think he's stupid, but given that MLB players aren't selected at all by intelligence, my default assumption for him would be average intelligence.

He's never had any public exposure (unlike say ARod on TV) that would make me think he's particularly smart.

Do people really think Jeter is making the organizational decisions? I’m sure like any owner he is signing off on the big stuff but I assume Mike Hill is the one calling the shots. I don’t think Jeter is making day to day calls any more than John Henry, Hal Steinbrenner or whoever.

But he's not the owner. Sherman is the owner.

He's the CEO.

If he's not making any decisions, why pay him a fat salary? Just let Hill run the show.
   24. Tin Angel Posted: December 02, 2017 at 01:43 PM (#5584790)
What teams this decade have a person with no executive experience in a position akin to Jeter's?


I was going to say maybe Dave Stewart but I see even he served as an assistant to Sandy Alderson and Kevin Towers before becoming a GM.
   25. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: December 02, 2017 at 02:13 PM (#5584813)
If he's not making any decisions, why pay him a fat salary? Just let Hill run the show.


Do we know Jeter's salary? Do we know that Hill isn't running the show?
   26. cardsfanboy Posted: December 02, 2017 at 02:14 PM (#5584814)
What makes you think he's intelligent? I mean, I don't think he's stupid, but given that MLB players aren't selected at all by intelligence, my default assumption for him would be average intelligence.


My default assumption for anyone who is a hof player at a "skill"(up the middle) position, is that he's probably greater than average intelligence. The fact that he's political savvy throughout his career shows a level of intelligence/maturity that was beyond his age/experience. Of course there are exceptions either way, but Jeter does "feel" like a guy who isn't dumb. It's really silly to think that simply graduating at a good school means you are intelligent. But yes I would have preferred for Jeter or a guy in his role to have at least a bit more experience...Kenny Williams had 8 years of working behind the bench before being named GM (mind you, only about three years was really in a front office capacity) Beane only spent three years as a scout before being named Assistant GM. So yes I would prefer a little bit of front office seasoning before being put into the role.
   27. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: December 02, 2017 at 02:26 PM (#5584822)
Even if he is merely a figurehead, in signing up for that role he effectively volunteered to be the public face of the Marlins, to get the credit for the good things they do and the blame for the bad

And I’m sure unsophisticated rubes will fall into that trap.

What trap? I don't think that Jeter personally decided to let the guy go, but now that it's been reported on and he's presumably aware of it, if he doesn't do something about it I think it's appropriate to think less of him.

If he's just taking a check to lend his good name and reputation to the organization, again, the association goes both ways. If you let stuff like this happen within organizations that are using your name, and continue to take their money after the fact, you deserve the criticism.
   28. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: December 02, 2017 at 02:30 PM (#5584824)

Do we know Jeter's salary?

According to Forbes (emphasis added):

Jeter will invest between $20 million to $25 million and own about 2% of the Marlins. But for running the team's baseball operations Jeter will get a $5 million salary, $4 million management fee and $1 million travel budget, according to people familiar with the terms of the deal.

Jeter, according to sources, would not have to make capital calls to cover future losses. That's vital since the Marlins are likely to lose around $70 million this season and $150 million total over the next three seasons.
   29. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: December 02, 2017 at 02:33 PM (#5584829)

What makes you think he's intelligent?

That he got the deal described in #28 is a decent indication.
   30. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 02, 2017 at 02:53 PM (#5584851)
My default assumption for anyone who is a hof player at a "skill"(up the middle) position, is that he's probably greater than average intelligence. The fact that he's political savvy throughout his career shows a level of intelligence/maturity that was beyond his age/experience. Of course there are exceptions either way, but Jeter does "feel" like a guy who isn't dumb. It's really silly to think that simply graduating at a good school means you are intelligent.

I don't think he's dumb. But I also don't think on-field baseball intelligence translates at all to being able to manage a complex organization.

On your last point, you're simply wrong. Anyone who gets into, and graduates a top school is going to be in the top 10% or so of the intelligence distribution, unless it's a total athlete put up job, with fake courses, and tutors who do the work for you.

The fact that Joe Girardi graduated with an engineering degree from Northwestern means he is very smart. Likewise Mike Mussina getting an economics degree from Stanford.
   31. eddieot Posted: December 02, 2017 at 03:10 PM (#5584863)
What makes you think he's intelligent?

That he got the deal described in #28 is a decent indication.


This. But if you're going to accept the role as the face of the franchise you better take the hit when the optics are bad. And I have never seen worse optics than the Marlins front office's in the first month. Canning McKeon, Perez, Conine, Preston Wilson, etc... Painting their best player into a box by suggesting if he stays with them they will sell off the rest of the talent... and now this. Me thinks Jetes needs a good PR professional
   32. Buck Coats Posted: December 02, 2017 at 05:17 PM (#5584922)
That's vital since the Marlins are likely to lose around $70 million this season and $150 million total over the next three seasons.


That can't be true, can it?
   33. reech Posted: December 02, 2017 at 05:24 PM (#5584925)
I dunno, what difference does it make if he is intelligent...look at the moron in the White House...and WE'RE WINNING!
   34. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: December 02, 2017 at 05:46 PM (#5584932)
That he got the deal described in #28 is a decent indication.


Or he has good lawyers.
   35. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: December 02, 2017 at 07:36 PM (#5584957)
Can we agree that he's smart enough to hire good lawyers?
   36. Howie Menckel Posted: December 02, 2017 at 08:55 PM (#5584967)
I have had multiple face-to-face conversations with both Jeter and Mussina.

Mussina struck me as the smartest baseball player of my experience. It actually seemed a challenge for him to respond to banal beat guy questions. He is well-mannered, so he wants to cooperate - but it's not really the sort of banter that seemed natural to him.

Jeter? I found him impossible to read. Recall that the report on him by the scout for the Astros (who had the first pick and chose Phil Nevin) was that he had the best parent of any prospect he had ever come across - so no worries of off-the-field hijinks. Plus the Michigan thing. But part of me also wondered if there was "any there there." I never recall being that mystified by other athletes - so maybe he is so brilliant that you can't even tell in talking to him?

how many chess dimensions is that?
   37. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: December 03, 2017 at 05:45 AM (#5585035)
My default assumption for anyone who is a hof player at a "skill"(up the middle) position, is that he's probably greater than average intelligence.

So he is intelligent because he can hit a baseball, and his managers never moved the worst fielding shortstop in the history of MLB of the position... That's hilarious.

It's really silly to think that simply graduating at a good school means you are intelligent.

And getting into and graduating from a good school has no correlation to intelligence at all.

Up is down. Left is right. (Does that mean Jeter can't go to his right now?)
   38. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: December 03, 2017 at 07:43 AM (#5585037)
I have had multiple face-to-face conversations with both Jeter and Mussina.
Thanks for this, Howie. Jeter's always been a cipher when viewed from afar; it's good to know that he's apparently a cipher up close as well. Presumably at some point that stops, but it's fun to think that it might not and that there are ciphers all the way down.
   39. cardsfanboy Posted: December 03, 2017 at 05:45 PM (#5585243)
And getting into and graduating from a good school has no correlation to intelligence at all.


See our current President, heck see the one before Obama also. Neither one was intelligent, getting into a good school just means you have money or are intelligent, but not necessarily both. School is easy, you show up, you do the work, you pass. Getting in is the hard part, and that is just mostly about doing what your parents tell you to do when you were a kid or having money or having connections.


So he is intelligent because he can hit a baseball, and his managers never moved the worst fielding shortstop in the history of MLB of the position... That's hilarious.


Do you know what the words "Up the middle" mean? It has nothing to do with his ability to hit a baseball that I'm assuming he has some intelligence. It's his ability to command the field, which often falls into the hands of those who play up the middle. And all I said is that my default position was that, not that it automatically means they are intelligent, but generally to make it through to the majors at the skill positions, it often requires more intelligence than other positions, using a probably safe assumption that the average intelligence of all ballplayers is "average" then it would also make perfect logical sense that those positions which would require a higher level of intelligence on average, would be occupied frequently by players with higher than average intelligence.

   40. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: December 03, 2017 at 07:36 PM (#5585327)

Getting in is the hard part, and that is just mostly about doing what your parents tell you to do when you were a kid or having money or having connections.
To paraphrase Jim Carrey from Liar, Liar, "That's just something stupid people say."
   41. cardsfanboy Posted: December 03, 2017 at 09:01 PM (#5585366)
To paraphrase Jim Carrey from Liar, Liar, "That's just something stupid people say."


Don't see why that would be the case, I've known plenty of people with 'good' degrees that can't think or lead etc. And I know plenty of people with no degrees who can run circles around those people as far as intelligence is concerned.

I'm not saying that by default I'm assuming advance degrees means you are stupid, if someone went to some of the better colleges and finished it, yes I think that I'm going to default assume they aren't idiots, but that doesn't make it true for everyone or even 80% of the group. Just like I assume if you are a well regarded defensive catcher, that you probably have pretty good intelligence, and that assumption goes to the rest of the guys who had long careers at up the middle position.

It's silly to think that a 30 year old Yale business major has more baseball front office executive value than a 40 year old 20 year veteran player who was put into a leadership position. (I mean, I'm guessing you default to the assumption that a first lieutenant is a normally a better leader than a sergeant)
   42. PreservedFish Posted: December 03, 2017 at 09:34 PM (#5585381)
I've been thinking about how hilariously inflated Jeter's "CEO" title must be. He's not doing what actual CEOs do, right? I mean, I realize that many CEOs are not actually geniuses, they're just the MBAs that talk fastest. But still, you would hope to have someone at least plausibly qualified, and this is a job that even Mike Mussina has zero qualifications for. Is Derek Jeter outlining the strategic vision for the Marlins? Do their head of marketing, head of event operations, general counsel etc report to him? Does he check in on the negotiations for major transportation, energy, labor contracts? Do the new ticket prices and advertising deals have to cross his desk before they get approved?

The sweetheart deal in #28 is obviously a "thank you" for being the real owners' hookup into the league. It's tough to believe that Jeter is going to be anything except for a distracting shadow looming over the GM and Manager (the only two middle managers that he could possibly claim any right to oversee). That's exactly what Nolan Ryan did - help a couple richer folks get majority ownership, loom, and then get pushed out when it became clear that Jon Daniels was better at his job than Ryan, his purported manager.

I've also been wondering about the travel budget. What does $1million of travel get you in a year? Private jet round trip from NYC to Miami 20-40 times a year? And a chauffeur? Crazy hotel rooms on the road. What else?
   43. cardsfanboy Posted: December 03, 2017 at 09:40 PM (#5585386)
I've been thinking about how hilariously inflated Jeter's "CEO" title must be. He's not doing what actual CEOs do, right?


I doubt he is doing even a quarter of what an actual CEO or President of operations does, assuming the ownership group isn't run by idiots, they give him a couple of right hand men who basically translate his baseball acumen into practice, and they also tell him what they want done as far as results are concerned(meaning like cut payroll among the scouts by 20% or something like that) and let him make the decisions and be the face, but I am pretty comfortable that the decision to let some scouts go came from higher up, that Jeter just got to pull the plug.
   44. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 04, 2017 at 09:26 AM (#5585501)
It's silly to think that a 30 year old Yale business major has more baseball front office executive value than a 40 year old 20 year veteran player who was put into a leadership position.

Maybe, But a 35 year old Yale business majore who has been working in the front office for 10+ years will have way more executive value.

(I mean, I'm guessing you default to the assumption that a first lieutenant is a normally a better leader than a sergeant)

Horrible analogy. They both have the same job, and the Sergeant has probably been leading troops for 10+ years, while the Lieutenant has been doing it for 2.

Derek Jeter has never managed or led anything in his life.
   45. Jeff Frances the Mute Posted: December 04, 2017 at 09:34 AM (#5585506)
I've also been wondering about the travel budget. What does $1million of travel get you in a year? Private jet round trip from NYC to Miami 20-40 times a year? And a chauffeur? Crazy hotel rooms on the road. What else?

A bunch of private charters between his home in Tampa and his job in Miami.
   46. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: December 04, 2017 at 09:35 AM (#5585507)
Derek Jeter has never managed or led anything in his life.


He's leading you around by the nose right now, and he doesn't even know you're alive. Imagine how impactful he'll be with people he cares about.
   47. Lassus Posted: December 04, 2017 at 09:36 AM (#5585510)
Does anyone here give Jeter any credit at all for how successful the Players Journal has been?
   48. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: December 04, 2017 at 11:25 AM (#5585638)

It's silly to think that a 30 year old Yale business major has more baseball front office executive value than a 40 year old 20 year veteran player who was put into a leadership position
Not sure why you think that. If we're talking about an on field role, I can agree with that; even a dumb veteran player might be a better field manager than a smart young guy just out of b-school. But in the front office, not so much.
   49. PreservedFish Posted: December 04, 2017 at 11:45 AM (#5585670)
And CEO isn't even a front office position. It's an everything position. The CEO oversees marketing. Operations. Accounting. HR. Everything! Is Jeter even conversant in some of these fields?
   50. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 04, 2017 at 11:50 AM (#5585679)
And CEO isn't even a front office position. It's an everything position. The CEO oversees marketing. Operations. Accounting. HR. Everything! Is Jeter even conversant in some of these fields?

Of course he's not.
   51. Srul Itza Posted: December 04, 2017 at 11:50 AM (#5585682)
I’m sure unsophisticated rubes will fall into that trap.



Who are and always have been the majority.
   52. Lassus Posted: December 04, 2017 at 11:56 AM (#5585687)
The CEO oversees marketing. Operations. Accounting. HR.

Wellllll a CEO oversees the people overseeing these departments. Something goes badly sideways, sure, but the CEO isn't exactly giving his opinions on applicants to HR.
   53. Srul Itza Posted: December 04, 2017 at 11:57 AM (#5585688)
School is easy


Not every school.

My school was one of the "shake hands with the person to your left, and the person to your right. In four years, one of you won't be here" types.
   54. PreservedFish Posted: December 04, 2017 at 12:00 PM (#5585694)
Wellllll a CEO oversees the people overseeing these departments. Something goes badly sideways, sure, but the CEO isn't exactly giving his opinions on applicants to HR.


No, he's not the HR lead and he's not doing HR stuff. But he hires the HR lead. If there's some HR ######, he's the one that talks to the board about it. And he'd be more engaged with some of the other departments, particularly event operations and marketing I would think.
   55. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 04, 2017 at 12:03 PM (#5585696)
Wellllll a CEO oversees the people overseeing these departments. Something goes badly sideways, sure, but the CEO isn't exactly giving his opinions on applicants to HR.

A CEO's most important role is typically selecting the people who run the key depts. and making sure they work well together. If he knows nothing of any of their disciplines, it's pretty hard to pick good people, and know whether they're telling you the truth or BS-ing you.
   56. Srul Itza Posted: December 04, 2017 at 12:05 PM (#5585698)
I think people are confusing CEO with COO.

Sometimes the roles are combined.

But in a big corporation, the CEO is responsible for the overall direction and vision, while the COO is more involved in operating the company.

The head of HR is WAY down the food chain from that.
   57. simpleton & childlike gef the talking mongoose Posted: December 04, 2017 at 12:13 PM (#5585709)
I’m sure unsophisticated rubes will fall into that trap.

Who are and always have been the majority.


Take it to OT:P.
   58. bunyon Posted: December 04, 2017 at 12:13 PM (#5585710)
The head of HR is WAY down the food chain from that.

Pretty sure they're trying to trade their HR leader.
   59. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 04, 2017 at 12:16 PM (#5585716)
I think people are confusing CEO with COO.

Sometimes the roles are combined.

But in a big corporation, the CEO is responsible for the overall direction and vision, while the COO is more involved in operating the company.

The head of HR is WAY down the food chain from that.


In most companies, the CEO is the COO. The heads of the major business lines, finance, HR, etc. typically report to him. HR especially, because their chief job is protecting the CEO, and making sure he gets paid.

In rare cases you may have a Chairman/CEO, and a President/COO who overseas the running of the business. But that's not typical in my experience.
   60. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: December 04, 2017 at 12:19 PM (#5585718)
I think people are confusing CEO with COO.

Sometimes the roles are combined.

But in a big corporation, the CEO is responsible for the overall direction and vision, while the COO is more involved in operating the company.

The head of HR is WAY down the food chain from that.
At IBM, sure. But a baseball team isn't that big an operation. There aren't that many levels of their food chain.



Also, primey to bunyon.
   61. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 04, 2017 at 12:26 PM (#5585723)
At IBM, sure.

Just out of curiosity I googled this.

At IBM the following report direct to the Chairwoman and CEO (Virginia Rometty): CFO, CIO, Marketing, Brand, Cognitive Solns. and Research, Strategy, Global Markets, Global Markets & Europe, HR, Global Business Services, Technology Services, Industry Platforms, Systems, Watson & Cloud Platform, Legal & Secretary, Transformation & Operations.

16 direct reports is waaaaay too many. But that's what it is.
   62. PreservedFish Posted: December 04, 2017 at 12:53 PM (#5585743)
Derek Jeter: "So what do you do, like, tv commercials and stuff?"
Head of Marketing: (sigh)
   63. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: December 04, 2017 at 01:23 PM (#5585771)
Getting in is the hard part, and that is just mostly about doing what your parents tell you to do when you were a kid or having money or having connections.


The above is mostly true, I would rephrase it as: "Getting in is the hard part, unless you 1) have money and connections AND do what your parents tell you to do, OR 2) have tons of money or tons of connections AND don't completely #### it up."

Once you're in, most top colleges are easy to skate through if that's what you want to do. These schools aren't my dad's MIT of the 60s anymore. The athletes/legacies that haven't gotten in on academic merit, and some of which are not too bright, generally know which classes to take to get through with a decent academic record, if they care enough to do it.

On the other hand,I personally knew well two people that I'm pretty sure didn't finish at my college (a top one). Both were more intelligent than the average person at the school, and one was one of the smartest people I ever knew well. Both didn't finish for similar reasons... they were ####-ups that couldn't get their #### together in part because they had various types of emotional problems. The one who was extremely intelligent came from bumfuck and no money, so he ended up dropping out--no one cared. The other had his somewhat influential family pulling strings for him at every turn, and it's possible he actually graduated after I left.
   64. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 04, 2017 at 01:59 PM (#5585799)
I've also been wondering about the travel budget. What does $1million of travel get you in a year? Private jet round trip from NYC to Miami 20-40 times a year? And a chauffeur? Crazy hotel rooms on the road. What else?

Well, keep in mind that presumably, whenever Jeter goes anywhere west of Florida, he has to do so by circumnavigating the globe to the east. So that would tend to run up a bill.
   65. PreservedFish Posted: December 04, 2017 at 02:07 PM (#5585807)
Is that a "can't go left" joke?
   66. PreservedFish Posted: December 04, 2017 at 02:13 PM (#5585814)
I read an Oliver Sacks piece about someone that had no concept of the idea of "left." Traumatic brain injury. If something was to the left of his body, he couldn't conceive of it. But you could spin him right 270 degrees and then he'd see the thing and be perfectly normal about it.
   67. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 04, 2017 at 02:29 PM (#5585835)
Is that a "can't go left" joke?

Writ large.
   68. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 04, 2017 at 02:32 PM (#5585837)
I read an Oliver Sacks piece about someone that had no concept of the idea of "left." Traumatic brain injury. If something was to the left of his body, he couldn't conceive of it. But you could spin him right 270 degrees and then he'd see the thing and be perfectly normal about it.

So, did he think the world ended at the edge of his peripheral vision? Did he never turn his head to the left, or was physical movement separate from a concept of directionality?
   69. PreservedFish Posted: December 04, 2017 at 02:40 PM (#5585846)
I don't remember. The error was so fundamental that it was difficult to wrap your mind around. He couldn't even consider the idea of left. He must have thought the world ended, but he couldn't have conceived of a chasm or even nothingness to the left because he had no ability to consider anything there. The question probably wouldn't have even made sense to him.

Edit. Here's a synopsis from googling. I guess it was a woman:

In his book The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat, Oliver Sacks describes a woman in whom a massive stroke completely destroyed her ability to see, or even to conceive of, the left-hand side of anything. For example, she would put lipstick only on the right side of her mouth, totally unaware that a left side even existed. She would only eat the right-hand side of a plate of food, and was only able to eat more than half a plate-full by rotating herself completely to the right (she was physically unable to turn left) until more food came into view, which she would then eat the right-hand half of, etc.


Anyway, a potential solve for Jeter's travel issue. Three rights make a left.
   70. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: December 04, 2017 at 03:13 PM (#5585880)
My school was one of the "shake hands with the person to your left, and the person to your right. In four years, one of you won't be here" types.


And that was his high school.

whenever Jeter goes anywhere west of Florida, he has to do so by circumnavigating the globe to the east


Only if he's facing north.

Anyway, I very much doubt that MLB teams are run like IBM. Some of them don't even have a CEO. My guess is that Jeter has approximately zero direct reports.

   71. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 04, 2017 at 03:28 PM (#5585905)
Anyway, I very much doubt that MLB teams are run like IBM. Some of them don't even have a CEO. My guess is that Jeter has approximately zero direct reports.

Then WTF are they paying him $10M? If he's a pure figurehead, I'm guessing they could have gotten someone way, way cheaper.
   72. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: December 04, 2017 at 03:33 PM (#5585915)
Then WTF are they paying him $10M?


I think post 42 paragraph 2 is a pretty good guess.
   73. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 04, 2017 at 03:35 PM (#5585919)
Then WTF are they paying him $10M? If he's a pure figurehead, I'm guessing they could have gotten someone way, way cheaper.

Yeah, but Enrique Wilson or Luis Sojo just don't have much gravitas as figureheads go.
   74. PreservedFish Posted: December 04, 2017 at 03:36 PM (#5585921)
My honest guess is that:

1. The crazy salary is mostly a thank-you for being an important part of the ownership application.
2. They do think that he's a winner and that having him around to motivate/oversee the front office department is smart.

#1 I have no ability to evaluate.
#2 Is dumb, but at least makes sense.

Why does he have the "CEO" title? I don't have a good answer for that one. It's dumb and it doesn't make sense either.
   75. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 04, 2017 at 03:38 PM (#5585923)
Yeah, but Enrique Wilson or Luis Sojo just don't have much gravitas as figureheads go.

Mariano Rivera does appliance commercials on local NY cable. They could probably get him for $500k.
   76. Rally Posted: December 04, 2017 at 03:38 PM (#5585924)
What does $1million of travel get you in a year?


That's $2739 per day. For that kind of money you could fly first class somewhere new every day and stay in a nice hotel. Considering nobody wants to travel 365 days a year, I think it would be pretty hard to spend the whole travel budget.
   77. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: December 04, 2017 at 03:45 PM (#5585933)
That's $2739 per day. For that kind of money you could fly first class somewhere new every day and stay in a nice hotel. Considering nobody wants to travel 365 days a year, I think it would be pretty hard to spend the whole travel budget.

If you're chartering your own jet, then you'd hit $1M pretty easily within a year.

A high-ranked executive seldom travels alone, so you're probably also talking about accommodations for at least one personal assistant and possibly other colleagues when he travels.
   78. PreservedFish Posted: December 04, 2017 at 03:46 PM (#5585936)
You give me $1M and I'll spend it.

"Let's meet in person on this one. I've got office hours at the Burj al-Arab for the next week, and after that I'm reviewing contracts on Richard Branson's private island. What works for you?"
   79. BrianBrianson Posted: December 04, 2017 at 04:29 PM (#5585973)
That's vital since the Marlins are likely to lose around $70 million this season and $150 million total over the next three seasons.


That can't be true, can it?


Every owner, every owner's wife, every owner's kids drawing salaries of a million+ a year adds up quickly, you know?

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