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Thursday, September 20, 2012

Derek Jeter gets 200th hit, ties Gehrig

This is Jeter’s eighth career 200-hit season, tying him with Lou Gehrig for the most by a Yankee. The first-inning single also extended Jeter’s hitting streak to 13 games.

In case you were wondering what milestone Jeter reached this week.

 

Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: September 20, 2012 at 12:15 PM | 12 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: derek jeter, yankees

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   1. Buzzkill Posted: September 20, 2012 at 05:18 PM (#4241495)
I will admit I thought he was in a major offensive decline and he would be awful this year. I was prepared to enjoy that as well. But his season has been truly remarkable. And the crow doesn't taste too good.
   2. ecwcat Posted: September 20, 2012 at 05:29 PM (#4241509)
Glad you can man up to it, bro. A shame only one of you did. Says a lot about this site.
   3. Monty Posted: September 20, 2012 at 05:37 PM (#4241518)
So...are people supposed to flagellate themselves about every wrong guess every time Jeter gets mentioned in any context?
   4. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: September 20, 2012 at 05:44 PM (#4241531)
Can Jeter keep this up? I say NO. And I'll be back to crow next year, or 2014, or whenever I'm proven right! Not to jinx the Captain or anything, but I have a 100% record in this department, including correctly predicting the ends of Charlie Liebrandt, Edwin Moses, "Seinfeld" and the swing revival.
   5. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 20, 2012 at 06:25 PM (#4241564)
Jeter needs just 9 more hits this year to break the record for most hits in an age-38 season. Most. Hits. Ever.
   6. John Northey Posted: September 20, 2012 at 07:06 PM (#4241589)
Love that Jeter's 118 OPS+ is exactly his career mark. Sheesh - while I've booed him strongly for years (being a Jays fan) you gotta respect his longevity and at this point I want to see him continue for years so he could reach Rose. Of course getting to 4256 hits means he needs just shy of 1000 more hits from age 39 to the end. The record is 980 for Cap Anson (from 1891 to 1897, 114 OPS+) then comes Rose's 884 followed by Sam Rice at 750. IE: it would take a historic finishing kick to a career to do it.

Rose at 38: 3372 hits, a 130 OPS+ with 208 hits that year. He'd have just one more season of 100+ for OPS+ in his career, top hit totals were 185, 172 but in the strike year of '81 he led with 140 at age 40 (118 OPS+).
   7. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: September 20, 2012 at 07:24 PM (#4241600)
#1 and #2, I am more then happy to suck it up and admit I too was wrong on an epic scale regarding Jeter's 2012.

The lesson learned is that the great ones(yeah, as a Sox fan, I just typed that) age differently then the rest. We've been predicting(hoping?) he would experience a normal decline phase from say age 35 on. However he had an excellent year that year then produced again this year. As Buzz said in #1, that crow does truly have a nasty taste.....
   8. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 20, 2012 at 08:09 PM (#4241628)
I am more then happy to suck it up and admit I too was wrong on an epic scale regarding Jeter's 2012.

It wasn't just the "thinking fans" that underestimated him - ZIPS projected an 82 OPS+ and a mere 145 hits for Jeter in 2012.
   9. Walt Davis Posted: September 20, 2012 at 09:34 PM (#4241680)
Jeter needs just 9 more hits this year to break the record for most hits in an age-38 season. Most. Hits. Ever.

Given this is one of baseball's most treasured records, I can't believe this isn't getting more coverage.

the great ones(yeah, as a Sox fan, I just typed that) age differently then the rest

Well, some do and some don't. And Jeter was never a great hitter, he was a great hitter for a SS.

Ripken had an awesome half-season at 38 but 37-40 he's just a 96 OPS+ ... and that good only because of that awesome half-season. Larkin was horrible at 38 and just OK 37-40. Alomare didn't even make it to 37, Yount didn't make it to 38. Ichiro has not been a good hitter at 37-38. Carew was still Carew at 37 but not 38-39. But Tony Gwynn was still Tony Gwynn when he could take the field (220 hits and 372 BA at 37). And Jeter -- doing well at 38 but 36-38 he's at a 102 OPS+ ... still plenty good for a SS of course but clearly not as good as he was when younger. Incredible durability for those ages though.
   10. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 20, 2012 at 10:20 PM (#4241705)
Ripken had an awesome half-season at 38 but 37-40 he's just a 96 OPS+ ...

Well, Ripken also had a 96 OPS+ from age 31-37. That awesome half-season at 38 was the only great part of Ripken's post-30 career.
   11. DanG Posted: September 20, 2012 at 10:50 PM (#4241732)
All players with 250+ G at SS, ages 36-38

Rk              Player WAR/pos OPSRfield   PA From   To
1         Honus Wagner    19.3  144     26 1832 1910 1912 H
2          Ozzie Smith    12.7  102     20 1834 1991 1993 H
3          Bill Dahlen     8.3   89     12 1682 1906 1908
4          Maury Wills     7.7   88      3 1922 1969 1971
5         Omar Vizquel     7.2   88     15 1587 2003 2005
6        Bobby Wallace     6.6   88      9 1404 1910 1912 H
7        Pee Wee Reese     6.6   79     23 1678 1955 1957 H
8        Luis Aparicio     5.8   89    
-12 1631 1970 1972 H
9          Derek Jeter     4.9  102    
-38 2016 2010 2012
10   Rabbit Maranville     4.3   75     26 1674 1928 1930 H
11           Bones Ely     2.6   60     38 1520 1899 1901
12        Barry Larkin     2.2   93    
-15 1199 2000 2002 H
13      Tommy Corcoran     0.7   68      2 1347 1905 1907
14          Larry Bowa     0.6   67    
-12 1517 1982 1984
15       Dave Bancroft     0.2   69     
-9 1421 1927 1929 H
16     Dave Concepcion    
-1.2   77    -23 1566 1984 1986 
   12. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: September 20, 2012 at 10:57 PM (#4241736)
All players with 250+ G at SS, ages 36-38

that Derek Jeter---he's no Bobby Wallace

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