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Wednesday, October 17, 2018

Derek Jeter gets his wish: The Marlins home run sculpture is outta there

The Miami Marlins won county permission on Tuesday to move its home run sculpture out of Marlins Park to the plaza outside, giving Derek Jeter a key win in his efforts to erase the legacy of former owner Jeffrey Loria.

The sculptor behind “Homer,” New York’s Red Grooms, opposed moving the seven-story piece of public art, saying he designed it under a $2.5 million contract with Miami-Dade County specifically for its perch in center field. The sculpture whirs to life whenever the Marlins hit a home run, sending mechanical marlins spinning and fountains spraying during a 29-second cycle timed to end once the typical base runner makes it to home plate.

Grooms proved a significant obstacle for Jeter, who personally pitched the 81-year-old artist last month when the former Yankee visited Grooms at a Chelsea gallery exhibiting his work. A county board populated by artists and art supporters must approve changes involving Miami-Dade’s Art in Public Places collection, and this week Grooms urged members to reject Jeter’s plan.

Given his decisions with players since taking control of the team, I can see why Jeter wouldn’t want to keep around something that reminds people of home runs….

QLE Posted: October 17, 2018 at 06:04 AM | 41 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: derek jeter, marlins, no shame, public art

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   1. kthejoker Posted: October 17, 2018 at 08:13 AM (#5768707)
This is the most Marlins thing ever.
   2. PreservedFish Posted: October 17, 2018 at 08:15 AM (#5768709)
There goes the team's only redeeming feature.
   3. Nasty Nate Posted: October 17, 2018 at 09:20 AM (#5768737)
Has St. Jeets ever said publicly why he doesn't like the sculpture?
   4. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 17, 2018 at 09:35 AM (#5768752)
I didn't realize it was a Red Grooms piece. Grooms is a serious, well-respected artist, although I suppose that's the kind of thing that Loria, who made his money as an art dealer, would actually know something about.

Jeter's esthetics, on the other hand, appear to be "late 20th century strip club."



   5. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: October 17, 2018 at 09:38 AM (#5768754)
Wait, Jeter wants to remove something quirky and interesting in a never ending quest to be as bland as possible?

Stay on brand Jetes, stay on brand.
   6. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: October 17, 2018 at 09:38 AM (#5768755)
I hope everyone involved got a gift basket.
   7. PreservedFish Posted: October 17, 2018 at 09:41 AM (#5768759)
Jeter's esthetics, on the other hand, appear to be "late 20th century strip club."


I would assume he prefers the stately charm of the mausoleum that he ended his career in.
   8. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: October 17, 2018 at 09:51 AM (#5768771)
Let's give the Marlins credit for something for once (this is unrelated to the fountain, which I think looks terrible and should definitely have stayed).

They're acquiring international pool money hand over fist in order to sign (it's thought) a trio of Cuban ex-pats: Victor Victor Mesa, Victor Mesa Jr, and Sandy Gaston (their main competition is Baltimore, of all teams). VVM is the real prize - a potential first division regular thought to have a combo of above average speed, defense, and hitting ability, with adequate power. Albert Almora is the most common comp (so, okay, maybe don't get _that_ excited). (VMJ is more of a tagalong, younger and slower than his brother, and Gaston a raw mid-90s arm who is considered the second best prospect of the three.)

Back to jokes...
   9. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: October 17, 2018 at 09:58 AM (#5768775)
That thing is/was hideous. I wish they'd kept it because hey, it's unique to the ballpark so you ride with it but man is it ugly.
   10. puck Posted: October 17, 2018 at 10:30 AM (#5768812)
They are going to replace it with a garden of monuments to contracts traded to other teams.
   11. Rally Posted: October 17, 2018 at 11:17 AM (#5768856)
I didn't realize it was a Red Grooms piece. Grooms is a serious, well-respected artist, although I suppose that's the kind of thing that Loria, who made his money as an art dealer, would actually know something about.

Jeter's esthetics, on the other hand, appear to be "late 20th century strip club."


I'm with Jeter on this one. Say what you will about my esthetics. I didn't know who Grooms was before this article. He may be a great artist, but that doesn't mean everything he does is great. This thing is awful.

We get this concept with ballplayers. Derek Jeter was a great player and deserves to be in the HOF. Doesn't mean everything he did on a ballfield was great. He struck out 1840 times. He was an awful defender. He was below replacement level the last 2 years of his career. He had plenty of bad days mixed in with the great ones.
   12. OCF Posted: October 17, 2018 at 11:35 AM (#5768877)
Back when this thing was being installed, there was a BTF thread about it. Someone asked if this was the gayest thing ever, and that set Sam M. off on a memorable riff. Someone should find that thread and dig up the Sam M. quote in its entirety.
   13. RoyalFlush Posted: October 17, 2018 at 11:46 AM (#5768889)
Has St. Jeets ever said publicly why he doesn't like the sculpture?


Probably has to do with the fact he has eyes.
   14. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 17, 2018 at 11:47 AM (#5768891)
Has St. Jeets ever said publicly why he doesn't like the sculpture?
It cost $2.5 million. I assume they traded it for a couple of minor league sculptures.
   15. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 17, 2018 at 11:49 AM (#5768893)
They're acquiring international pool money hand over fist in order to sign (it's thought) a trio of Cuban ex-pats: Victor Victor Mesa, Victor Mesa Jr,

Back to jokes...
Wait...that wasn't a joke?
   16. McCoy Posted: October 17, 2018 at 12:24 PM (#5768929)
   17. A Baseball Fan Posted: October 17, 2018 at 12:57 PM (#5768963)

Has St. Jeets ever said publicly why he doesn't like the sculpture?


I think he said he wants to get rid of everything from the Loria admin.
   18. Rally Posted: October 17, 2018 at 01:05 PM (#5768975)
From that 7 year old thread:

"Lot 182, "Joltin' Joe Takes a Swing," is a good example of Grooms's wacky/delirious visions, an acrylic on wood sculpture that is 61 inches high. Executed in 1985-1988, that has a conservative estimate of $70,000 to $90,000. Grooms's figures are not anatomically correct, nor politically correct. They are, however, attitudinally correct. The umpire here is fearsome and decisive. The catcher is full of concentration behind his mask and big glove. Joltin' Joe looks not at all like Joe Dimaggio with his steroid biceps and enormous shoulders, but his visage is rather beatific, which is in keeping with the worship of Yankee fans and the begrudging respect of his opposition."

Makes me think of an alternate universe where steroids came to mass use in baseball in the early 1950s. After a disappointing 1951 season, Joltin' Joe did not retire thinking that he could no longer play to his high standards, but instead embarked on a winter of steroid cycling and weight lifting. In 1952 he blew past Babe Ruth's single season home run record with 74, and played several more years, finishing with 578. Maris and Mantle barely got any attention beyond a run of the mill world championship as neither ever seriously threatened Joe's record. In 2013 Barry Bonds sailed into the Hall of Fame on the first ballot as he came close, but could not break either Joe's single season record or Hank Aaron's career record of 833, his steroid use long since considered just something ballplayers do.
   19. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: October 17, 2018 at 01:10 PM (#5768984)
I'm with Jeter on this one. Say what you will about my esthetics. I didn't know who Grooms was before this article. He may be a great artist, but that doesn't mean everything he does is great. This thing is awful.


Probably has to do with the fact he has eyes.


I don't think that is a reason to get rid of it. On some level even ugly is memorable, has some shred of identity and personality. Which the Marlins lack.

Embrace the "so ugly it is ... ummm ... interesting" and go with it. Bland is worse than ugly.
   20. OCF Posted: October 17, 2018 at 01:13 PM (#5768992)
The link in #16 is what I was talking about above. It was actually a commenter on the original SB Nation article who said "I've been to Pride Parades in 3 cities, and that is the gayest thing I have ever seen." That got quoted and picked up on the BTF thread, and here's what Sam M said:

I've never seen a drag queen's outfit that gay.

Kathy Griffin has never played for an audience that gay.

Bravo's programming wishes it could be that gay.

You could take all the owners of all the poodles, and get them together with the owners of all the Boston terriers in Chelsea, and on the day after every single one of them got groomed -- owners and dogs alike -- they wouldn't be that gay.

The Continental Bathhouse where Bette Midler performed with Barry Manilow and got the nickname "Bathhouse Betty," and became a hero to gay men in the 1970s? Not close to that gay.
   21. SoSH U at work Posted: October 17, 2018 at 01:15 PM (#5768994)
I loved the statue when it was revealed, and thought it was great when I visited the Fish Tank this year. It wouldn't work everywhere, but it seemed fitting for Miami.
   22. Bote Man Posted: October 17, 2018 at 01:46 PM (#5769037)
Someone should find that thread and dig up the Sam M. quote in its entirety.

It was a good sculpture. Not a great one.
   23. Yonder Alonso in misguided trousers (cardinal) Posted: October 17, 2018 at 01:50 PM (#5769042)
The sculpture is kitsch personified, and yeah it's kind of ugly, but it's unique and it fits with the team (especially the decision to go with green-screen green as a primary color element). While on some level I can understand removing it, I really wish they hadn't.

Also I didn't realize that thing was seven stories tall, which is... a lot.
   24. Hysterical & Useless Posted: October 17, 2018 at 02:12 PM (#5769069)
I suppose Red Grooms can be a New Yorker if he wants (we're not an exclusive club by any means) but isn't he really a Texan?

I've loved a lot of his work, which is very cartoonish, full of energy and eye-popping color. But--this'll come as a shock, I know--people don't always agree on everything.
   25. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: October 17, 2018 at 03:29 PM (#5769152)
It was a good sculpture. Not a great one.


Any major league sculptor could have done as well? You don't see why people are excited by it?

;)
   26. Batman Posted: October 17, 2018 at 03:33 PM (#5769158)
"Derek Jeter gets his wish" could be the the title of the best series of children's books or porn movies of all time.
   27. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: October 17, 2018 at 03:52 PM (#5769186)
I'm sad the statue is going. It was a weird, weird thing and I can entirely get why some people thought it was ugly, but it gave the park some personality- just like the aquarium.
   28. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: October 17, 2018 at 03:55 PM (#5769193)
The sculpture is good, Jeter is bad
   29. Bote Man Posted: October 17, 2018 at 04:19 PM (#5769218)
"Derek Jeter gets his wish" could be the the title of the best series of children's books or porn movies of all time.

Why not combine them??
   30. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 17, 2018 at 04:27 PM (#5769232)

I loved the sculpture. It looks like something animated by the South Park creators for an episode making fun of Jeff Loria and the Marlins, and was both glorious and hideous in exactly the way a Jeff Loria Marlins sculpture should be.
   31. Batman Posted: October 17, 2018 at 05:09 PM (#5769273)
When I was a kid listening to games on the radio, I heard about the Green Monster for a while before I actually saw a game at Fenway on TV. I imagined something like that sculpture before I found out the monster was just a wall.
   32. geonose Posted: October 17, 2018 at 05:24 PM (#5769294)
isn't he really a Texan?

Actually, he's from Tennessee. But he's lived in New York for 40 years.
   33. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 17, 2018 at 05:36 PM (#5769311)

The New York Red Grooms would be a great name for a minor league baseball team.
   34. Hank Gillette Posted: October 18, 2018 at 12:52 AM (#5769912)
Has St. Jeets ever said publicly why he doesn't like the sculpture?


He doesn’t want to remind Marlin fans that home runs are part of the game.
   35. Rally Posted: October 18, 2018 at 09:11 AM (#5770091)
The New York Red Grooms would be a great name for a minor league baseball team.


People would think they are from New York, and representing males in a marriage ceremony while wearing a red suit. But actually, they are just Grooms representing a team owned by a company called New York Red.
   36. Rusty Priske Posted: October 18, 2018 at 10:53 AM (#5770180)
Wait... people LIKE that thing?

It is hideous.
   37. Zach Posted: October 19, 2018 at 06:22 PM (#5771417)
When I first saw a gif of the proposed sculpture, I laughed because it seemed like the goofiest, tackiest, and yes, gayest thing ever conceived of.

Now I realize that it is exactly that, was always supposed to be that, and has a sort of demented cheerful genius in its execution.

Derek Jeter doesn't deserve something that cool.

Edit: and I still laugh.
   38. manchestermets Posted: October 19, 2018 at 07:43 PM (#5771432)
VVM is the real prize - a potential first division regular thought to have a combo of above average speed, defense, and hitting ability, with adequate power.


More importantly, he's called Victor Victor Mesa. That's an inner circle HoF ballplayer name, right?
   39. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: October 19, 2018 at 08:10 PM (#5771438)
   40. base ball chick Posted: October 19, 2018 at 09:37 PM (#5771465)
does anyone here know why saint jetah wanted it gone?
   41. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Fred Posted: October 20, 2018 at 10:26 AM (#5771682)
does anyone here know why saint jetah wanted it gone?
Cos he's insecure about his masculinity.

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