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Tuesday, June 03, 2014

Derek Jeter makes a mental gaffe to give Mariners a cheap triple

With the Yankees down, 1-0, in the fourth inning of their matchup with the Mariners in the Bronx on Monday, shortstop Derek Jeter committed a mental gaffe that put Kyle Seager on third base with a triple.

Seager popped the ball into no-man’s land in short left field near the foul line. Outfielder Brett Gardner made a diving effort for the ball, but it hit off his glove and rolled into foul territory.

Jeter, apparently thinking the ball was foul, scooped it up and stood with his back to the play for a few moments as Seager hustled around second and headed for third. By the time Jeter realized the ball was live and threw to the base, Seager was safe with a very cheap triple.

Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: June 03, 2014 at 11:33 AM | 31 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: June 03, 2014 at 01:13 PM (#4718074)
That play was not quite 1 in a million, but at least 1 in a hundred thousand--I'm not surprised he was confused!
   2. Jeltzandini Posted: June 03, 2014 at 01:21 PM (#4718084)
"I'm in for the bunt and went back on the popup. It never crossed my mind that it was fair. I almost gave it to a fan," Jeter said. "I thought for sure the ball was foul because I was in foul territory."

Not going to read too much into a casual quote, but that's a pretty odd statement. The fair/foul rule covering this situation is not particularly complicated, and has nothing to do with the position of the second guy to touch the ball.

   3. Matt Welch Posted: June 03, 2014 at 01:22 PM (#4718086)
Early front-runner for Play Most Likely to Be Used As Symbol of the Great One's Decline. Young Jeter would have caught the rebound! Veteran Jeter would have spun around and thrown him out at 2nd! Old Jeter, he's tired....
   4. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: June 03, 2014 at 01:25 PM (#4718090)
As long as he's still giving out gift baskets, it looks like his mind will be the first thing to go.
   5. jayjay Posted: June 03, 2014 at 01:28 PM (#4718097)
Reminds me of a mental gaffe Mickey Mantle made back in 1968.
   6. Publius Publicola Posted: June 03, 2014 at 01:41 PM (#4718110)
I almost gave it to a fan


He must have had his mind on the previous nights' paramour.
   7. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: June 03, 2014 at 01:51 PM (#4718119)
What a weird play! Where was Jeter playing to start the play? He starts out from the position of a third baseman? Were the Yankees in a shift?

Then when the ball was hit even though I knew what was about to happen my first thought was "foul ball." Was the wind blowing at NYS last night?

And how funny would it have been if Seager got caught when he rounded third a bit too far. Solarte dropped the throw but it was close.

Lastly, while it's fun to mock Jeter and say he gave the Mariners a triple his snooze probably cost his team one base. Seager had a double anyway.
   8. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: June 03, 2014 at 01:52 PM (#4718120)
Reminds me of Willie Mays stumbling around the outfield. Jeter has benefited from a random replay being repeated over and over, this time he may be damaged by a repeated replay.

   9. PreservedFish Posted: June 03, 2014 at 01:57 PM (#4718128)
Jeter was so close to catching the rebound, too.
   10. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 03, 2014 at 01:58 PM (#4718131)
And if he had caught it--which he almost did!--it would have just added to the legend. I don't see it as that big a deal. A minor brain fart that cost the team a base. Not that I won't still chuckle about it.
   11. if nature called, ladodger34 would listen Posted: June 03, 2014 at 02:02 PM (#4718139)
Looks like Puig doesn't have that far to be like Jeter now!
   12. Random Transaction Generator Posted: June 03, 2014 at 02:06 PM (#4718148)
And if he had caught it--which he almost did!--it would have just added to the legend. I don't see it as that big a deal. A minor brain fart that cost the team a base. Not that I won't still chuckle about it.


This is probably the most important part.

If he catches that ball after the deflection/rebound/whatever, then the commentators would have used it to boost his fielding legend even further, pointing out that even in his final year he can still "make plays that other people can't, and that's why JeterJeterJeterJeter."

Since I've seen good fielders make the same boneheaded-type plays (Larry Walker handing the ball to a kid with 2 outs), I'll don't hold it that much against Jeter for doing what he did.
   13. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: June 03, 2014 at 02:38 PM (#4718198)
If he would have given it to a fan, would it have been ruled a ground rule double? It's at the discretion of the umpire whether to award 2B or 3B, right?
   14. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 03, 2014 at 02:43 PM (#4718205)
It's at the discretion of the umpire whether to award 2B or 3B, right?

Yep. Seager definitely would have been awarded third base, unless Jeter used the power of his calm eyes on Blue.
   15. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: June 03, 2014 at 02:46 PM (#4718211)
If he would have given it to a fan, would it have been ruled a ground rule double? It's at the discretion of the umpire whether to award 2B or 3B, right?


It wouldn't be an automatic double, because it wasn't hit into the stands. It would be the equivalent of throwing the ball out of play by an outfielder, whereby the runner is awarded two bases from the last base he touched. In this case, it would have depended on whether Seager had reached second by the time Jeter flipped it into the stands whether he was awarded third or home.

   16. PreservedFish Posted: June 03, 2014 at 03:01 PM (#4718226)
If he would have given it to a fan...


He would have rightly been praised for prioritizing the experience of a starry-eyed customer over the concession of a single base in a meaningless June game. That memory will last a lifetime!
   17. alilisd Posted: June 03, 2014 at 03:01 PM (#4718228)
Reminds me of a mental gaffe Mickey Mantle made back in 1968.


Wasn't that Mantle's final season, too (though we didn't know it at the time)?
   18. Batman Posted: June 03, 2014 at 03:23 PM (#4718251)
I bet A-Rod was the one who told him the foul/fair rule had changed.
   19. JE (Jason) Posted: June 03, 2014 at 03:51 PM (#4718274)
And how funny would it have been if Seager got caught when he rounded third a bit too far. Solarte dropped the throw but it was close.

FWIW, Jose, Saeger's foot is back on the bag by the time the ball gets to Solarte's glove.
   20. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 03, 2014 at 04:55 PM (#4718323)
If he would have given it to a fan, would it have been ruled a ground rule double?


Female fan? Home run for Jetes for sure.
   21. Leroy Kincaid Posted: June 03, 2014 at 07:42 PM (#4718407)
The pitcher (name escapes me) was yelling "THROW THE BALL"!!! as Jeter was making like Trachsel.
   22. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: June 03, 2014 at 10:13 PM (#4718483)
Say what you will about Jeter -- and I've said most of it -- but he's about as fundamentally sound a ballplayer as there is in the game. You play as long as he has, and it's dead certain you're going to make a mistake like this a time or two.

That said, this was very funny.
   23. Publius Publicola Posted: June 04, 2014 at 09:04 AM (#4718569)
Given that Solarte dropped the throw, Saeger might have scored if kept running.
   24. Howie Menckel Posted: June 04, 2014 at 09:54 AM (#4718612)

"Wasn't that Mantle's final season, too (though we didn't know it at the time)?"

I believe that was a crossthread joke.

And if Jeter had given that ball to a female fan, he'd have scored for sure!
   25. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: June 04, 2014 at 10:23 AM (#4718635)
The pitcher (name escapes me) was yelling "THROW THE BALL"!!! as Jeter was making like Trachsel.

How can he show such disrespect for the Captain of All Captains?
   26. Ulysses S. Fairsmith Posted: June 04, 2014 at 10:38 AM (#4718656)
. . . Jeter . . . [is] about as fundamentally sound a ballplayer as there is in the game.


He is fundamentally sound, but not any more so than most other veteran ballplayers. That's what makes the constant fawning over him so obnoxious.

Jeter has been an excellent ballplayer and will be a deserving Hall-of-Famer. He has been a good enough fielder to play the shortstop position in the major leagues, but when compared to other MLB shortstops, his defense is historically bad. He avoids controversy and scandal, but never says anything publicly that is at all interesting or important. Great, and greatly overrated.
   27. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: June 04, 2014 at 11:00 AM (#4718677)
He is fundamentally sound, but not any more so than most other veteran ballplayers.


I disagree. I think if you look at the things that are traditionally considered fundamentals, then Jeter really does stand out.

This bonehead play stands out because it's not something we've seen from him before.
He's a good baserunner (backed by excellent career rbaser numbers), and one known for running out the balls he hits on the ground
His defensive shortcomings don't include a great many physical errors (better than league average FP at shortstop in his career).
He is skilled at putting a bunt down, which really distinguishes him from most veteran ballplayers. He can hit behind the runner to move a guy to third, execute a hit-and-run, etc.

Now, the value of many of these skills, particularly compared to say, hitting the #### out of the ball or corralling every grounder hit in one's area, is quite small. But it's not some kind of exaggeration to suggest that on a fundamental level, Jeter is really in a group at the top.

   28. zack Posted: June 04, 2014 at 11:16 AM (#4718697)
His defensive shortcomings don't include a great many physical errors (better than league average FP at shortstop in his career).

Above the benefit of not reaching many of the hardest-to-field balls?
   29. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: June 04, 2014 at 11:28 AM (#4718708)
Above the benefit of not reaching many of the hardest-to-field balls?


Not at all. The hardest to reach balls won't get scored errors for failure to make the play cleanly. Moreover, even if they were, Jeter has an extent to his range just as much as a competent shortstop does, so if those balls were more likely to lead to errors, Jeter would be open to just as many errors as his competitors.

In fact, in one sense, the good shortstop should be expected to field a greater percentage of balls more comfortably than a range-challenged one like Jeter.

Basically, there's absolutely no reason to think that a Jeteresque shortstop is going to benefit in fielding percentage over one who can go get it.



   30. JE (Jason) Posted: June 04, 2014 at 11:59 AM (#4718743)
Basically, there's absolutely no reason to think that a Jeteresque shortstop is going to benefit in fielding percentage over one who can go get it.

WRT Jeter, SoSH, I'm not sure that's true on either offense or defense.
   31. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: June 04, 2014 at 12:04 PM (#4718748)
WRT Jeter, SoSH, I'm not sure that's true on either offense or defense.


The same is said about many veteran ballplayers. I don't think it's much of a factor.

But seriously, we don't really need official scorers here. Whatever his flaws, Jeter doesn't really have a reputation for booting balls or throwing them into the stands, does he? He makes the plays that are hit to him, he just doesn't make many that aren't.

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