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Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Derek Jeter: Maybe test Skip Bayless

Not as shocking as Michael Kay saying tonight that Derek Jeter was only 1 strikeout behind Mickey Mantle on the all-time Yankee list! And still has his job!

Bayless engaged in a heated debate in which he quoted BALCO founder Victor Conte as saying synthetic testosterone use is “rampant” in the majors today. He then asked, “If you are Derek Jeter, would you think about using HGH right now?” Bayless backed off accusing Jeter of any wrongdoing.

“I am not saying he uses a thing,” Bayless said. “I have no idea. But within the confines of his sport, it is fair for all of us, in fact you are remiss, if you don’t at least think about this.”

Jeter said he hadn’t viewed “First Take,” nor had he heard about Bayless’ statements.

“That’s the unfortunate thing these days,” he said. “Anytime you bring this to light with guys that are doing things now, you have everybody questioning everything. You can say whatever you want to say these days. No repercussions.”

Asked if he was insulted—or flattered—by the suggestion he might be using HGH, Jeter raised his arms to display his lanky 6-foot-3, 195-pound physique.

“You tell me,” he said.

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   1. The District Attorney Posted: August 22, 2012 at 10:04 PM (#4215341)
Test Skip Bayless?? He averaged 1.4 points per game.
   2. Gamingboy Posted: August 22, 2012 at 10:11 PM (#4215346)
JETER IS STEALING THE INTANGIBILITY ENHANCING DEVICES FROM TEBOW!
   3. Dale Sams Posted: August 22, 2012 at 10:11 PM (#4215347)
Bayless is 61? I had no idea.
   4. bigglou115 Posted: August 22, 2012 at 10:12 PM (#4215348)
Bayless is 61? I had no idea.


I know, it seems like he's been obnoxious enough for at least 8 decades.
   5. Boileryard Posted: August 22, 2012 at 10:14 PM (#4215352)
I'm not suspicious of Jeter as his numbers have dropped-off this year. Last year his OPS was 139, while this year it's 108 in just 9 fewer games. Jeter will have a hard time matching last year's total, even with 38 games remaining.
   6. Everybody Loves Tyrus Raymond Posted: August 22, 2012 at 10:21 PM (#4215354)
I'm not suspicious of Jeter as his numbers have dropped-off this year. Last year his OPS was 139, while this year it's 108 in just 9 fewer games. Jeter will have a hard time matching last year's total, even with 38 games remaining.


You must be watching a different Derek Jeter than the rest of us. Check your numbers, partner.
   7. Boileryard Posted: August 22, 2012 at 10:39 PM (#4215363)
Bayless once wrote a column comparing Sammy Sosa and Barry Bonds, and used On-base Plus Slugging to support his argument that Sosa was better. There was just one problem -- Bayless defined OPS as Runs + RBIs - HRs. The name On-base Plus Slugging (which Bayless wrote out in full) was apparently too confusing.

It's likely that only a handful of people (if that) remember the column in question, so my attempt at a Bayless parody in my last post probably just made me look like an uninformed idiot.
   8. Bob Tufts Posted: August 22, 2012 at 10:40 PM (#4215365)
"It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice."
   9. Srul Itza Posted: August 22, 2012 at 10:42 PM (#4215367)
It's likely that only a handful of people (if that) remember the column in question, so my attempt at a Bayless parody in my last post probably just made me look like an uninformed idiot.


No, I remembered it and I knew what you were going for. So that didn't make you look like an uninformed idiot.

It must have been something else.
   10. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: August 22, 2012 at 10:44 PM (#4215370)
"It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice."

General Jack D. Ripper: I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women uh... women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I, uh... I do not avoid women, Mandrake.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: No.
General Jack D. Ripper: But I... I do deny them my essence.
   11. DA Baracus Posted: August 22, 2012 at 10:53 PM (#4215373)
Don't feed the troll.
   12. lieiam Posted: August 22, 2012 at 11:12 PM (#4215389)
God, Skip Bayless. I remember some years ago and he was a regular columnist for the San Jose Mercury News (or at least they would regularly print columns by him)... And the guy is either an idiot or quite clever at appearing to be an idiot. Either way... he's annoying.
   13. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: August 22, 2012 at 11:41 PM (#4215407)
Jeter is too smart to use hGH. If he was going to take anything, he'd find something that actually works.
   14. Everybody Loves Tyrus Raymond Posted: August 23, 2012 at 12:17 AM (#4215425)
It's likely that only a handful of people (if that) remember the column in question, so my attempt at a Bayless parody in my last post probably just made me look like an uninformed idiot.


I didn't remember the column, but I'm glad to know you aren't an uninformed idiot. :-)
   15. Everybody Loves Tyrus Raymond Posted: August 23, 2012 at 12:18 AM (#4215426)
When Derek Jeter pees in a cup, he tests positive for Derek Jeter.
   16. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: August 23, 2012 at 12:40 AM (#4215442)
@15 - I thought testosterone tested positive for Derek Jeter.
   17. jobu Posted: August 23, 2012 at 12:49 AM (#4215447)
"Derek Jeter" has weighed in on the current steroid controversy in "his" Grantland diary.

Like I've said before, [Melky Cabrera] was like family when he was with us in New York. You hope that this is just a terrible misunderstanding, but you also recognize that when your fat little brother suddenly looks like he's ready for the NFL Combine, maybe you need to sit him down and make him watch that old Ben Affleck after-school movie with you. It's not medicine. It's cheating. And it's a sad day for all of us.

   18. Walt Davis Posted: August 23, 2012 at 12:53 AM (#4215453)
Truly, if Jeter can't get better stuff than HGH, what hope do the rest of us have?
   19. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: August 23, 2012 at 01:03 AM (#4215459)
I hope Jeter gives the HGH tester a gift basket when he's done.
   20. Walt Davis Posted: August 23, 2012 at 05:11 AM (#4215514)
In the wake of two players getting caught, if you are Derek Jeter, do you think about stopping using right now?

Jus' trollin', don't mind me.
   21. Devin has a deep burning passion for fuzzy socks Posted: August 23, 2012 at 09:24 AM (#4215598)
I've never seriously suspected Jeter of using PEDs. However, I always thought if he did fail a test, I would greatly enjoy how stupid it would make the media look. (And, OK, as a Mets fan I'd like seeing Jeter & the Yankees embarassed too. But it's mostly the media that is so convinced he's a paragon of virtue.)

And now goddamned Skip Bayless has to go screw that up, ruining my theoretical fun, because it would mean that HE was right, and who can find any joy in that? #######.
   22. Hack Wilson Posted: August 23, 2012 at 09:42 AM (#4215612)
Bayless is 61? I had no idea.


I didn't think his IQ was that high, maybe he has been illegally experimenting with Krell Brain Boost Technology?
   23. AROM Posted: August 23, 2012 at 09:45 AM (#4215614)
Good observation by Jeter. Bayless is a much better candidate for PEDs*. Look at this picture.

And please think of the children. Kids growing up and following baseball obviously have a much better chance to become sports writers than the next HOF Yankee shortstop. Maybe Bayless is clean, but he should have to prove it.

*Though Bartolo Colon should be the final nail in the coffin for people who think they can tell who's using by looking at them.
   24. phredbird Posted: August 23, 2012 at 09:53 AM (#4215621)
we like to slam tommy lasorda, but skip bayless really is dumber than ten dogs.
   25. asinwreck Posted: August 23, 2012 at 09:55 AM (#4215626)
I like Rick Bayless. He has great enthusiasm for his subject and conveys that enthusiasm to his audience. His brother's work, not so much.
   26. JE (Jason) Posted: August 23, 2012 at 09:56 AM (#4215628)
we like to slam tommy lasorda, but skip bayless really is dumber than ten dogs.

I wish I could agree with this view, but Skip must be doing something right: His stature at ESPN has never been higher.
   27. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: August 23, 2012 at 10:21 AM (#4215655)
His stature at ESPN has never been higher.


Who would have thought that letting Screamin' A. Smith beat the snot out of you every day would be such a great career move?
   28. Hack Wilson Posted: August 23, 2012 at 10:24 AM (#4215658)
I wish I could agree with this view, but Skip must be doing something right: His stature at ESPN has never been higher.


ESPN is owned by the Disney Company. Rumor has it that Skip is the illegitimate love child of Goofy and Daisy Duck. So they have to be nice to him.
   29. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: August 23, 2012 at 10:27 AM (#4215662)
I like Rick Bayless. He has great enthusiasm for his subject and conveys that enthusiasm to his audience. His brother's work, not so much.

The fact that these two are brothers just blows my mind.
   30. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: August 23, 2012 at 10:40 AM (#4215673)
Derek Jeter is the pre-fall Joe Paterno of major league baseball -- a sportsman deemed to transcend the corruption of his peers and competitors and to succeed despite the obstacles posed by that corruption.

There's no reason to believe that Jeter is and has been uniquely immune from the PED temptation. None.
   31. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 23, 2012 at 11:59 AM (#4215777)
There's no reason to believe that Jeter is and has been uniquely immune from the PED temptation. None.

Well, except for the lack of any evidence of PED use. Sure, except for that.
   32. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: August 23, 2012 at 12:05 PM (#4215785)
Well, if you're in the "I suspect every damned one of them" camp, then clearly you have to suspect Jeter as well. Of course, then you have to suspect Stephen Strasburg and Bryce Harper of PED use too. Especially now that they've been "linked to rumors of PED use."
   33. Nasty Nate Posted: August 23, 2012 at 12:07 PM (#4215789)
Well, except for the lack of any evidence of PED use. Sure, except for that.


How is that unique? As in "uniquely immune."
   34. Blastin Posted: August 23, 2012 at 12:07 PM (#4215790)
Did Jeter just get compared to Paterno?
   35. SoSH U at work Posted: August 23, 2012 at 12:12 PM (#4215799)
How is that unique? As in "uniquely immune."


Has anyone, prior to SugarBear's comment, ever claim that Jeter was uniquely immune from PED temptation? It seems he's pretty much on equal footing with the host of players who have been assumed clean, a list that includes the great and crappy of all ages and ethnicities.

   36. The District Attorney Posted: August 23, 2012 at 12:18 PM (#4215806)
Blastin, why are you defending Joe Paterno?
   37. Nasty Nate Posted: August 23, 2012 at 12:19 PM (#4215809)
It seems he's pretty much on equal footing with the host of players who have been assumed clean, a list that includes the great and crappy of all ages and ethnicities.


No, this is a small list and doesn't include that many great players. And it's not just 'assumed' clean, it is proclaimed clean.
   38. I am going to be Frank Posted: August 23, 2012 at 12:26 PM (#4215822)
I like Rick Bayless. He has great enthusiasm for his subject and conveys that enthusiasm to his audience. His brother's work, not so much.


I thought you were joking. Despite the same last name, not in a million years would I think those two are related.
   39. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: August 23, 2012 at 12:28 PM (#4215828)
Has anyone, prior to SugarBear's comment, ever claim that Jeter was uniquely immune from PED temptation?

It's implicit in the fanboy reverence (*) and likely has been suggested explicitly.

Bayless's "offense" is seen as more significant because it concerned Jeter.

(*) See, e.g., the thread from a couple days ago attached to TFA that advocated Jeter being the first unanimous HOFer, even though the steroid "taint" applied to Bagwell applies equally, if not more forcefully, to Jeter. Jeter has played with an inordinate number of roiders and for a confirmed roid-enabling organization.
   40. SoSH U at work Posted: August 23, 2012 at 12:29 PM (#4215829)

No, this is a small list and doesn't include that many great players. And it's not just 'assumed' clean, it is proclaimed clean.


How is Jeter's PED reputation any different than the PED determinations about Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, Pedro Martinez, Ken Griffey Jr., Craig Biggio, Roberto Alomar, Barry Larkin, Omar Vizquel, Frank Thomas, Tony Gwynn, Cal Ripken, CC Sabathia, Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, etc.? There are scores of great players that, like Jeter, have been determined to be clean. Obviously, it's illogical to make such a determination about any of them, but the idea that Jeter and Jeter alone has been judged and determined clean is absurd.
   41. Machine Posted: August 23, 2012 at 12:30 PM (#4215832)
I would be surprised if Jeter is anything but clean. If he wants to make it clear, however, he should have his blood/urine tested and release the results to the public. Until he does that, he is asking for this type of inquiry.

And I know the Union won't allow that. That's not the point.
   42. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: August 23, 2012 at 12:33 PM (#4215838)
but the idea that Jeter and Jeter alone has been judged and determined clean is absurd.

Not "judged and determined." Agressively proclaimed. No one goes out of their way to proclaim Craig Biggio's cleanness; they don't say anything one way or another about him. (Which probably isn't entirely true; there's probably someone somewhere who's tied him with Bagwell and suggested he's not clean.)
   43. Nasty Nate Posted: August 23, 2012 at 12:37 PM (#4215842)
How is Jeter's PED reputation any different than the PED determinations about Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, Pedro Martinez, Ken Griffey Jr., Craig Biggio, Roberto Alomar, Barry Larkin, Omar Vizquel, Frank Thomas, Tony Gwynn, Cal Ripken, CC Sabathia, Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, etc.? There are scores of great players that, like Jeter, have been determined to be clean. Obviously, it's illogical to make such a determination about any of them, but the idea that Jeter and Jeter alone has been judged and determined clean is absurd.


I don't have anything tangible to back this up, but it is my impression from too much time spent reading/consuming/talking about baseball that Jeter's reputation is different than those guys regarding steroids.

E.G. I think I remember Bill Simmons proclaiming at least once that Jeter was the player least likely in the majors to be using, or something like that.
   44. SoSH U at work Posted: August 23, 2012 at 12:44 PM (#4215849)

I don't have anything tangible to back this up, but it is my impression from too much time spent reading/consuming/talking about baseball that Jeter's reputation is different than those guys regarding steroids.


And I'd say the reason you don't have anything tangible is because there's nothing tangible to be found. I'm sure you could find any number of articles about Greg Maddux, for instance, that boldly praised him for doing it the right way in the exact same way such declarations are made about Jeter.

Jeter is discussed more than any of those guys, because he's on the Yankees and won a lot of World Series titles and banged a lot of hotties. But there's nothing special about the proclamations of Jeter's cleanliness.

   45. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: August 23, 2012 at 12:47 PM (#4215855)
Bleacher Report, NY Yankees today, under headline, "ESPN's Skip Bayless Should Face Punishment for Jeter PED Comments":

"Jeter is one of the greatest players in MLB history. He got there through hard work, conditioning and countless hours studying tendencies of big-league pitchers with a vigor similar to the kind Denver Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning applies to his job."


   46. JJ1986 Posted: August 23, 2012 at 12:54 PM (#4215868)
I feel like Ken Griffey was and is proclaimed "clean" far more than Jeter ever has been.
   47. Rants Mulliniks Posted: August 23, 2012 at 12:54 PM (#4215869)
Bleacher Report is a one step up from US Weekly.
   48. AROM Posted: August 23, 2012 at 01:09 PM (#4215887)
How is Jeter's PED reputation any different than the PED determinations about Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, Pedro Martinez, Ken Griffey Jr., Craig Biggio, Roberto Alomar, Barry Larkin, Omar Vizquel, Frank Thomas, Tony Gwynn, Cal Ripken, CC Sabathia, Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, etc.? There are scores of great players that, like Jeter, have been determined to be clean. Obviously, it's illogical to make such a determination about any of them, but the idea that Jeter and Jeter alone has been judged and determined clean is absurd.


In that list, there are 3 players that I would not find surprising if they tested positive (in a theoretical sense, as some are no longer active). I'd put Jeter in the category of "less likely to use than most MLB players". That's as far as I can go, I would not call any player "uniquely immune". Before he was found out I would have put Pettitte as being just as unlikely as Jeter to try PEDS.
   49. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: August 23, 2012 at 01:20 PM (#4215906)
Jeter is to me one of the least likely users, but OTOH he is the one I most want to get caught using PEDs :-)

But perhaps that's because I work in NYC where the Jeter worship is at its most sickening
   50. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: August 23, 2012 at 01:24 PM (#4215916)
I haven't read the book, but here's the Amazon.com review of Ian O'Connor's bio of Jeter:

In The Captain, best-selling author Ian O’Connor draws on extensive reporting and unique access to Jeter that has spanned some fifteen years to reveal how a biracial kid from Michigan became New York’s most beloved sports figure and the enduring symbol of the steroid-free athlete.

So in this telling, Jeter isn't merely clean himself, but is the patron saint of and beacon to all clean athletes.
   51. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: August 23, 2012 at 01:29 PM (#4215925)
I swear on my family's lives and a baker's dozen Bibles that I didn't know this before 50, but here are O'Connor's words in the Jeter book (from a Wash Post review):

O’Connor calls him “the most respected and beloved figure in the game,” and he leads the league in product endorsements. “He also won the title of patron saint of clean players in an era defined by performance-enhancing drugs.”

So there you have it.

   52. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: August 23, 2012 at 01:32 PM (#4215929)
Why Skip Bayless? Why not Zoidberg?
   53. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: August 23, 2012 at 01:45 PM (#4215958)
Did Jeter just get compared to Paterno?

For far too many years, Yankee fans have heard the "rhythmic slapping sounds" of Jeter's glove repeatedly smacking against the grass near three-hoppers up the middle, while no one in a position of power does anything to stop it.
   54. Hack Wilson Posted: August 23, 2012 at 01:47 PM (#4215963)
One amazing thing about Jeter is that his greatness was foretold by Walt Whitman (who would have been a huge Yankee fan if they had but existed) in his famous poem O Captain! My Captain!
   55. SoSH U at work Posted: August 23, 2012 at 01:56 PM (#4215978)
So there you have it.


Yup, Ian O'Connor's written handjob is proof positive that Derek Jeter is uniquely immune from PED temptation.

   56. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: August 23, 2012 at 02:02 PM (#4215988)
Yup, Ian O'Connor's written handjob is proof positive that Derek Jeter is uniquely immune from PED temptation.

He's seen as being uniquely immune.

People aren't casting Craig Biggio and Barry Larkin as the "patron saint[s] of clean players in an era defined by performance-enhancing drugs."
   57. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: August 23, 2012 at 02:06 PM (#4215993)
Ian O'Connor is not "people."

Soylent Green OTOH...
   58. SoSH U at work Posted: August 23, 2012 at 02:07 PM (#4215996)

People aren't casting Craig Biggio and Barry Larkin as the "patron saint[s] of clean players in an era defined by performance-enhancing drugs."


And if Paul Daugherty or Richard Justice sits down to writes the definitie hagiography of Barry Larkin or Craig Biggio, he likely will.
   59. The Chronicles of Reddick Posted: August 23, 2012 at 04:16 PM (#4216199)
I read a little bit of that book at the local Barnes and Noble and it was amazing that they spent at least 4-5 pages on the 2001 playoffs and the play Jeter made on Giambi. For a minute there I thought that he was going to be canonized by the Pope but then I remember that Jeter can only canonize Jeter.
   60. dejarouehg Posted: August 23, 2012 at 04:23 PM (#4216209)
I feel like Ken Griffey was and is proclaimed "clean" far more than Jeter ever has been.
Absolutely, but could never figure out why.

I hope Jeter gives the HGH tester a gift basket when he's done.
That's a pretty clever reference!
   61. Everybody Loves Tyrus Raymond Posted: August 23, 2012 at 05:10 PM (#4216242)
Woah ... Rick Bayless is Skip's brother? I guess we know who got all the likability genes in that family.

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