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Wednesday, February 12, 2014

Derek Jeter to Retire After This Year

Announced on facebook. FA has link to post.

Bourbon Samurai in Asia Posted: February 12, 2014 at 03:13 PM | 195 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. SG Posted: February 12, 2014 at 03:26 PM (#4655694)
He will be missed.
   2. ursus arctos Posted: February 12, 2014 at 03:27 PM (#4655695)
A-Rod finally gets to play shortstop for the Yankees.
   3. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: February 12, 2014 at 03:27 PM (#4655697)
Just submitted a similar link. As I said there I tip my cap to him. He's the enemy and I have issues with a lot of things around Derek Jeter but he's a player I have always appreciated and wish him well (and a 4th place finish).
   4. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 12, 2014 at 03:28 PM (#4655699)
He deserves a gift basket from all 29 other teams.
   5. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: February 12, 2014 at 03:29 PM (#4655700)
Gagging at the thought of another season-long Yankees retirement tour....
   6. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: February 12, 2014 at 03:31 PM (#4655703)
Since high school, I've been using the phrase "I'll be old when Derek Jeter retires."

...ugh.
   7. Bourbon Samurai in Asia Posted: February 12, 2014 at 03:33 PM (#4655704)
Couldn't help but like Jeter. here's hoping he can be at least semi-competent this year
   8. gehrig97 Posted: February 12, 2014 at 03:36 PM (#4655708)
Jesus Christ do I feel old...

I can't imagine a protracted retirement tour like Rivera (but then again, I couldn't really imagine Rivera's endless farewell either). It's just not Jeter's style.

The Yankees will surely honor him, but I don't see teams trotting out broken-bat rocking chairs, surfboards, etc. (What do they give Jeter? Maybe he and George Clooney exchange black books?) With Mo, you had the unquestioned "best ever" at his "position" -- with Jeter, you have a guy who is universally respected within the game and an obvious HOFer -- but he's not an historic figure.
   9. Bitter Mouse Posted: February 12, 2014 at 03:36 PM (#4655709)
Great player. But a Yankee, kind of bland and yet a bit weaselly. Still he will be missed.
   10. Swedish Chef Posted: February 12, 2014 at 03:37 PM (#4655712)
So the Mayans were off by two years.
   11. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: February 12, 2014 at 03:40 PM (#4655719)
It's just not Jeter's style.

He's never been one for long goodbyes. More like "Wham! Bam! Gift basket for you, ma'am!"
   12. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: February 12, 2014 at 03:42 PM (#4655722)
As long as Raul Ibanez plays another 15 years, I'll never be old.
   13. Monty Predicts a Padres-Mariners WS in 2016 Posted: February 12, 2014 at 03:44 PM (#4655724)
This way, he won't have to deal with Alex Rodriguez coming back in 2015.
   14. Nasty Nate Posted: February 12, 2014 at 03:45 PM (#4655727)
This news could precede them signing Stevie Drew to a 3-year deal, right? Or am I forgetting some Yankees SS prospect?
   15. I Am Not a Number Posted: February 12, 2014 at 03:46 PM (#4655729)
Maybe a "this is your life" motif could be used at every park. His conquests from that city could attend an on-field ceremony, holding an enlarged baseball card from the year of their romantic interlude. And of course repay him with a retirement gift basket.
   16. NJ in DC (Now unemployed!) Posted: February 12, 2014 at 03:46 PM (#4655730)
Just bought tickets to the last game. I may cry.
   17. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 12, 2014 at 03:48 PM (#4655734)
I wonder if he'll demand a trade mid-season to Pittsburgh or Oakland in an attempt to chase one more ring.
   18. Willie Mayspedester Posted: February 12, 2014 at 03:51 PM (#4655738)
Never saw him get to a groundball up the middle.
   19. zonk Posted: February 12, 2014 at 03:53 PM (#4655741)
I guess that means Jim turns the lights out here, too?

Just out of curiosity -- does anyone have the date of the first BBTF thread? I go back to the pre-reg days, but I know I wasn't here on day 1...

Be kind of neat to see say, the first week of news -- and do the rather scary research on how many players then discussed are still active.
   20. puck Posted: February 12, 2014 at 03:54 PM (#4655744)
Just bought tickets to the last game. I may cry.

It will be great.
   21. puck Posted: February 12, 2014 at 03:55 PM (#4655745)
The Yankees will surely honor him, but I don't see teams trotting out broken-bat rocking chairs, surfboards, etc. With Mo, you had the unquestioned "best ever" at his "position" -- with Jeter, you have a guy who is universally respected within the game and an obvious HOFer -- but he's not an historic figure.


What?? Doesn't the baseball world see Jeter as an even bigger star?
   22. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: February 12, 2014 at 03:55 PM (#4655746)
Or am I forgetting some Yankees SS prospect?
Alfonso Soriano is available.
   23. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: February 12, 2014 at 03:56 PM (#4655747)
Selig's throwing #### at the wall now, trying to find a way to suspend him for stealing his thunder.
   24. JRVJ Posted: February 12, 2014 at 04:01 PM (#4655753)
Ok, the Yanks HAVE to sign Drew now, don't they?
   25. rufus was here Posted: February 12, 2014 at 04:02 PM (#4655756)
I was at opening day in Cleveland, 1996, great seats right behind home plate. Jeter started at short and batted 9th. He made a nifty over the shoulder catch (the one aspect of fielding he seemed pretty darn good at) and hit a home run deep into the left field stands to lead off the 5th inning.

It was unbelievably cold.
   26. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: February 12, 2014 at 04:03 PM (#4655757)
I guess Jeter took a look at Mo's farewell tour and thought "I want to get me some of that."
   27. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: February 12, 2014 at 04:03 PM (#4655758)
Just out of curiosity -- does anyone have the date of the first BBTF thread? I go back to the pre-reg days, but I know I wasn't here on day 1...
The earliest ones linked on the Wayback Machine are from April 24, 2001: http://web.archive.org/web/20010430162918/http://www.baseballprimer.com/clutch/

The links to the discussion don't work though. The first one was a Newsday article about an El Duque injury. It didn't have any comments. The second was about all the teams' websites being moved to mlb.com. That must have been shortly after MLB bought the domain from the law firm Morgan, Lewis & Bockius.

The next day there was an uncommented-upon thread about how the Cardinals had a rookie who was an Edgar Martinez clone.
   28. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: February 12, 2014 at 04:13 PM (#4655765)
Be kind of neat to see say, the first week of news -- and do the rather scary research on how many players then discussed are still active.

John F. Mabry is still in the news.

General manager Mozeliak and manager Mike Matheny arrived from St. Louis this afternoon. Red Schoendienst and John Mabry also traveled with them.
   29. AROM Posted: February 12, 2014 at 04:23 PM (#4655773)
Too bad the comments from back then have been lost into cyberspace.

Some great headlines though.

"Colon's growing girth worries Indians" Who would have believed he'd still be pitching in 2014, and signed for 2015?
   30. Swedish Chef Posted: February 12, 2014 at 04:30 PM (#4655780)
The ones from 2002 have comments.
   31. The Yankee Clapper Posted: February 12, 2014 at 04:32 PM (#4655781)
Jeter needs 120 hits to reach #6 on the all-time hit list (giving Anson credit for his NA years) & 199 to pass Speaker for #5. If he passes Speaker, he ought to reconsider his decision and play in 2015, but I wonder if the decision is influenced by Jeter's early workouts. Perhaps he's concluded the ankle is never going to be quite the same, although it could certainly be mostly age. We often underestimate the effort it takes to play MLB, especially after age 35.

End of an era, sadly, but heck of a career. No one in the three-tiered playoff era has won more World Series, and it may be be quite some time before anyone tops Jeter in this regard.
   32. cardsfanboy Posted: February 12, 2014 at 04:45 PM (#4655794)
End of an era, sadly, but heck of a career. No one in the three-tiered playoff era has won more World Series, and it may be be quite some time before anyone tops Jeter in this regard.


He has five?(along with Rivera, Posada, Pettite) Thought he had six....must have been remembering wrong. That actually seems like a doable total for a person who travels to different teams. But I can't think of anyone that really fits that bill. Ortiz does have three(along with probably a couple of other people) can't think of anyone with four that is likely to be around for a while.


http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/leaders_most_rings.shtml

Javier Lopez and Ortiz both have 3 and are still likely to make it to the post season in the next couple of years.
   33. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: February 12, 2014 at 04:47 PM (#4655797)
The Yankees will surely honor him, but I don't see teams trotting out broken-bat rocking chairs, surfboards, etc. With Mo, you had the unquestioned "best ever" at his "position" -- with Jeter, you have a guy who is universally respected within the game and an obvious HOFer -- but he's not an historic figure.

What?? Doesn't the baseball world see Jeter as an even bigger star?

I get gehrig97's point. Rivera is considered by acclimation the greatest closer ever, while most people with a sense of the game's history put Jeter as a top [small number] shortstop, but not #1. Jeter has been a significantly more valuable player than Mo, and a good shortstop is a heck of a lot more important than a good closer, but that's not the point. Mo was unique because he was greater in relation to his positional peers than Jeter is in relation to his.
   34. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: February 12, 2014 at 04:48 PM (#4655802)
Cashman to Jeter: "Just shut the #### up. We decide player announcements."
   35. cardsfanboy Posted: February 12, 2014 at 04:49 PM (#4655804)
I get gehrig97's point. Rivera is considered by acclimation the greatest closer ever, while most people with a sense of the game's history put Jeter in the top [small number] or so all time at his position, but not #1. Jeter has been a significantly more valuable player than Mo and good shortstop is a heck of a lot more important than a good closer, but that's not the point. Mo was unique because he was greater in relation to his positional peers than Jeter is in relation to his.


Ozzie Smith and Andre Dawson had a retirement tour.... I absolutely guarantee you that Jeter will also have one.
   36. gehrig97 Posted: February 12, 2014 at 04:52 PM (#4655806)
What?? Doesn't the baseball world see Jeter as an even bigger star?


Absolutely. Jeter is arguable the biggest star in the came (certainly in terms of name recognition). But the Mo farewell tour seemed predicated on his status as the all-time saves leader, best-ever reliever, charitable work, last man wearing 42, etc. I could be wrong -- maybe we end up seeing an endless summer for Jeter. But we certainly didn't see anything of the kind for Chipper, Tony Gwynn, Biggio or a whole host of others who were Jeter's equal as players.

Teams will certainly honor him -- I just don't know that it will be as maudlin or ostentatious as the Mo tribute (or hell, it could be worse. Who knows)
   37. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: February 12, 2014 at 04:53 PM (#4655807)
Is this even legal?
   38. tfbg9 Posted: February 12, 2014 at 04:54 PM (#4655808)
Never saw him flail.
   39. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 12, 2014 at 04:58 PM (#4655811)
Ozzie Smith and Andre Dawson had a retirement tour.... I absolutely guarantee you that Jeter will also have one.


Great (and respected) players who announce their retirements well in advance of their last game get them, unless they specifically ask not to. It's just that not that many players, great or otherwise, announce their retirement in advance.

   40. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: February 12, 2014 at 05:03 PM (#4655815)
I was hoping that Jeter's career would end with a Stengel/Rizzuto moment.
   41. Willie Mayspedester Posted: February 12, 2014 at 05:05 PM (#4655817)
He needs a **fist pump** statue or bobblehead.
   42. Nasty Nate Posted: February 12, 2014 at 05:14 PM (#4655822)
I was hoping that Jeter's career would end with a Stengel/Rizzuto moment.


I was hoping it would end with a Munson/Lidle moment.

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JUST KIDDING EVERYBODY
   43. Davo Dozier Posted: February 12, 2014 at 05:34 PM (#4655832)
So, Jeter has a chance to move up the following leaderboards:

RUNS SCORED: He’s in 13th now. He’ll pass Tris Speaker and Lou Gehrig very early on in the season. 44 more pushes him past A-Rod into the Top Ten. 74 will get him past Musial into 9th.

HITS: He’s in 10th right now. 4 more, he moves past Paul Molitor into 9th. 120 will move him all the way up to 6th place, past Cap Anson. He’d need 199 to get past Tris Speaker into the Top 5.
   44. Davo Dozier Posted: February 12, 2014 at 05:34 PM (#4655833)
Derek Jeter has the 10th most bWAR among players who played for just one team and spent their entire career in the expansion era:

1. Mike Schmidt
2. Carl Yastrzemski
3. Cal Ripken
4. George Brett
5. Chipper Jones
6. Jeff Bagwell
7. Robin Yount
8. Johnny Bench
9. Lou Whitaker
10. Derek Jeter
   45. salvomania Posted: February 12, 2014 at 05:35 PM (#4655834)
I like this headline, from the Nov. 30, 2003, Clutch Hits, about the Red Sox' hiring of Terry Francona:

N.Y. Daily News: Madden: Boston's making a Terry big mistake
   46. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: February 12, 2014 at 05:36 PM (#4655836)
HITS: He’s in 10th right now. 4 more, he moves past Paul Molitor into 9th. 120 will move him all the way up to 6th place, past Cap Anson.

Passing Anson for 2nd all time (behind Aaron) for right handers would be pretty awesome.

   47. puck Posted: February 12, 2014 at 05:37 PM (#4655837)
I could be wrong -- maybe we end up seeing an endless summer for Jeter. But we certainly didn't see anything of the kind for Chipper, Tony Gwynn, Biggio or a whole host of others who were Jeter's equal as players.

I'm not talking about how people rank a player all time at a position or how they rate as players on some abstract scale or some other measure that's considered more primary by an analytical type, self-styled "thinking baseball fan" etc. I'm talking about the esteem in (with?) which fans and the media hold a player, and Jeter absolutely seems on par with Rivera, if not higher.
   48. Tom Nawrocki Posted: February 12, 2014 at 05:41 PM (#4655839)
HITS: He’s in 10th right now. 4 more, he moves past Paul Molitor into 9th. 120 will move him all the way up to 6th place, past Cap Anson.


If 120 is the O/U on Jeter's hits in 2014, I'd take the under.
   49. Random Transaction Generator Posted: February 12, 2014 at 05:46 PM (#4655844)
If he's announced that this is his last year, and everyone expects the Yankees/MLB to fete him for the entire season, what happens if he starts .185/.233/.292 for April and May, and commits 22 errors while watching 3-out-of-4 ground balls dribble by him every game (due to his gimpy ankle)?

Does he continue to play out the string to make sure the party keeps going? Or does he quit right away?
   50. SG Posted: February 12, 2014 at 05:48 PM (#4655845)
Does he continue to play out the string to make sure the party keeps going? Or does he quit right away?


He goes on the DL, travels with the team and then gets activated for the season-ending homestand?
   51. Brian Posted: February 12, 2014 at 05:49 PM (#4655846)
Over.
   52. Howie Menckel Posted: February 12, 2014 at 05:51 PM (#4655847)

"With Mo, you had the unquestioned "best ever" at his "position""

glad you used quotes. "best DH of all time" rightly strikes people as funny, since it didn't even exist until 1973 in MLB.
Mo's position existed - it was just harder in earlier times. no idea why that makes "ever" seem less silly. neither DH nor closer seem like good comparisons to the other "real" positions.

   53. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: February 12, 2014 at 05:53 PM (#4655849)
He goes on the DL, travels with the team and then gets activated for the season-ending homestand?
He will have stolen that from Harold Baines.
   54. Howie Menckel Posted: February 12, 2014 at 05:55 PM (#4655851)
That 2003 Madden column notes that Francona likes "sabermatics," as did the Red Sox

   55. gehrig97 Posted: February 12, 2014 at 06:04 PM (#4655857)
Yep--I happen to think Mo is the very best pitcher who wasn't good enough to be a starter
   56. cardsfanboy Posted: February 12, 2014 at 06:04 PM (#4655859)
glad you used quotes. "best DH of all time" rightly strikes people as funny, since it didn't even exist until 1973 in MLB.
Mo's position existed - it was just harder in earlier times. no idea why that makes "ever" seem less silly. neither DH nor closer seem like good comparisons to the other "real" positions.


A matter of semantics, but closer isn't a position, it's a role, DH is a position(more or less) But I agree with the sentiment of your post.

I just find it hard to imagine that the Jeter retirement tour is going to be less pomp and circumstance than Rivera's was. Jeter is effectively the face of major league baseball, he's the biggest name player that has a positive Q rating (if you want...basically he's seen as a good guy by the masses, he doesn't have the roid hint, he's a winner, he's a one team player and as pointed out, on some historical career lists that is impressive as heck. )




   57. Jeltzandini Posted: February 12, 2014 at 06:05 PM (#4655860)
That's pretty lazy headline writing too. Terryble is sitting right there and you go with a lame Terry-Very rhyme?
   58. Howie Menckel Posted: February 12, 2014 at 06:09 PM (#4655863)
so far "Jeter final home game" secondary market prices are double what Rivera's were when he announced his retirement farewell tour last March. some of this may be brokers who are more attuned to manipulating a lucrative market, though.
   59. gehrig97 Posted: February 12, 2014 at 06:16 PM (#4655868)
hmm... I may have misread the sentiment for a "farewell tour". The NY Times certainly seems to be expecting something that will equal if not surpass the Mo tour...

I'm already exhausted.
   60. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: February 12, 2014 at 06:36 PM (#4655879)
he NY Times certainly seems to be expecting something that will equal if not surpass the Mo tour...


Note to self: Try to ignore the living #### out of baseball this season.
   61. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: February 12, 2014 at 06:57 PM (#4655887)
So, Jeter has a chance to move up the following leaderboards:

Jeter's already #1 in WAR among righthanders born in June!

Player                WAR
Derek Jeter           71.5
Charlie Buffinton     60.6
Harmon Killebrew      60.4
Eddie Cicotte         56.9
Larry Jackson         52.5
Dizzy Trout           46.1
Thurman Munson        45.9
Jason Kendall         41.4
Jack Chesbro          41.3
Mark Belanger         41.0
Roger Bresnahan       40.8
Pete Browning         40.4
Dave Concepcion       40.1 

   62. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: February 12, 2014 at 06:57 PM (#4655888)
The NY Times certainly seems to be expecting something that will equal if not surpass the Mo tour...

Is Vegas offering odds right now on who the All-Star Game MVP will be?
   63. God Posted: February 12, 2014 at 07:00 PM (#4655890)
You guys are ####### kidding yourselves if you think we're going to get anything other than the Mariano farewell tour multiplied by two.
   64. Walt Davis Posted: February 12, 2014 at 07:02 PM (#4655891)
Jeter is arguable the biggest star in the came

Gift basket.
   65. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: February 12, 2014 at 07:03 PM (#4655892)
Richard Justice:
In fact, it could be argued that Jeter is the greatest player who ever lived.
   66. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: February 12, 2014 at 07:08 PM (#4655895)
Now he should announce that he's willing to play 3rd so they can sign Stephan Drew.
   67. RMc's desperate, often sordid world Posted: February 12, 2014 at 07:15 PM (#4655900)
9. Lou Whitaker
10. Derek Jeter


Is this a good time to complain that Whitaker was dismissed after one HoF ballot, while Jeter could well be the first player elected unanimously?

Answer: It's always a good time to complain about this!
   68. God Posted: February 12, 2014 at 07:20 PM (#4655903)
Jeter won't be elected unanimously. There's always been too much anti-Jeter backlash for that. The guys with the best chance of unanimous election are always the guys who everybody likes, like Tom Seaver, Tony Gwynn, Greg Maddux. And it didn't even work for them.
   69. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: February 12, 2014 at 07:22 PM (#4655904)
Jeter's already #1 in WAR among righthanders born in June!
He'll need a historic year to pass John Clarkson for the coveted Best Righthanded Cancer title.
   70. Jeltzandini Posted: February 12, 2014 at 07:36 PM (#4655910)
In fact, it could be argued that Jeter is the greatest player who ever lived.


Wow, Justice is quickly the clubhouse leader. Will he be topped by the end of the season?

Don't know about that "could be argued" bit though. One little slip like that could cause the Great Pumpkin to pass you by.
   71. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: February 12, 2014 at 07:42 PM (#4655912)
"I can honestly say, without hyperbole, that Derek Jeter is the greatest organism ever produced in this or any other universe, either real or fictitious."

-Tim McCarver, September 2014
   72. Sean Forman Posted: February 12, 2014 at 08:32 PM (#4655935)
I'm with God. This is going to make Rivera look tasteful.

I don't agree with Chipper Jones on much, but the way he went out was tasteful and exactly right. In my opinion (and I could be wrong), I view this as Jeter putting himself above the team.
   73. Bob Meta-Meusel Posted: February 12, 2014 at 08:37 PM (#4655937)
I was initially surprised by this, as I always had Jeter pegged as a guy who wouldn't know when he was done and would play until a year when he was hitting .150 in June and had no choice but to hang it up. Then I realized that his current contract ends after this season, and I'm wondering if the Yankees already told him that the contract that's ending now was his reward for his many years of greatness with the team and they wouldn't be offering anything over market value for future seasons. I could see him deciding to retire rather than take the 1 year $2M contract that he'd get for 2015 under those circumstances.
   74. Lassus Posted: February 12, 2014 at 08:48 PM (#4655938)
I'm with God and Sean. (Not necessarily in that order.)

That being said, him going batshit this year and getting 199 hits, beating out Speaker to land on 5th all-time would actually be pretty cool.
   75. God Posted: February 12, 2014 at 08:55 PM (#4655939)
I don't agree with Chipper Jones on much, but the way he went out was tasteful and exactly right. In my opinion (and I could be wrong), I view this as Jeter putting himself above the team.


Totally agree. Todd Helton went out in classy fashion, too.
   76. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: February 12, 2014 at 09:08 PM (#4655944)
People ######## about Jeter I think should at least wait until the farewell tour kicks off. For now his style of announcing it on Facebook is about the least attention-grabbing approach the guy could have used. Because of who he is there was no way this would be a quiet event but no press conference, no orchestrated event just "hey, I'm hangin 'em up at the end of the year."
   77. Blastin Posted: February 12, 2014 at 09:10 PM (#4655945)
Yeah, seriously. He called the Steinbrenners and posted it on facebook. Seriously.
   78. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: February 12, 2014 at 09:13 PM (#4655948)
I'm with God. This is going to make Rivera look tasteful.


Yeah - this is going to be annoying.
   79. Canker Soriano Posted: February 12, 2014 at 09:28 PM (#4655950)
That being said, him going batshit this year and getting 199 hits, beating out Speaker to land on 5th all-time would actually be pretty cool.

199 PAs I could believe. 199 hits? Only if part of the tour includes letting him reach first for free on a grounder once each series, T-ball parent style.

Also, I think it would be hilarious if one of the teams gave him a memorial giant glove, to help catch all those balls that have rolled past him.
   80. The Yankee Clapper Posted: February 12, 2014 at 09:29 PM (#4655951)
I don't believe there were any reports of fans being upset by Mariano Rivera's farewell - no booing, no objects thrown on the field, no demonstrations, no derogatory chants. That will undoubtedly be the case for Derek Jeter, too. No fan boycotts, either, tickets for his last appearance in various MLB venues will likely be in high demand.

As usual, the moaning & groaning will be confined to BBTF.
   81. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: February 12, 2014 at 09:35 PM (#4655954)
Just bought tickets to the last game. I may cry.

I just hope that last game isn't sometime in June or July.
   82. Howie Menckel Posted: February 12, 2014 at 09:35 PM (#4655955)

It would not be a bad business arrangement for either if Jeter and management had agreed to a revenue-sharing plan based on 2014 ticket receipts. The Yankees will make a LOT more money this way, all season, and hard to argue that Jeter shouldn't get a piece of the action.

   83. zenbitz Posted: February 12, 2014 at 09:36 PM (#4655956)

I can only assume he intends to run for President in 2016.
   84. God Posted: February 12, 2014 at 09:40 PM (#4655957)
People ######## about Jeter I think should at least wait until the farewell tour kicks off. For now his style of announcing it on Facebook is about the least attention-grabbing approach the guy could have used.


To be clear, I blame the Yankees, not the player, for the overkill that happened with Rivera and is about to happen with Jeter.

However, I think it's also fair to point out that if Jeter didn't want the yearlong fellatiofest, the least attention-grabbing approach he could have used would be what Todd Helton did last year -- wait until there's a week or two left in the season to announce anything.
   85. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: February 12, 2014 at 09:43 PM (#4655958)
don't believe there were any reports of fans being upset by Mariano Rivera's farewell - no booing, no objects thrown on the field, no demonstrations, no derogatory chants.


I think many self-loathing losers took offense at the outpouring of respect and appreciation for a great man's work. That's to be expected though; if hip-hop has given modern culture nothing else of value it at least codified the concept of hater-ism to all.
   86. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: February 12, 2014 at 09:46 PM (#4655959)
I was at opening day in Cleveland, 1996, great seats right behind home plate. Jeter started at short and batted 9th. He made a nifty over the shoulder catch (the one aspect of fielding he seemed pretty darn good at) and hit a home run deep into the left field stands to lead off the 5th inning.

It was unbelievably cold.


That's one game I sure wish I'd been at.

That was also one amazing season in more ways than one. Far from the greatest Yankee team ever, and nowhere near the one they had just two years later. But consider this: They lost 5 of 6 regular season games in Arlington during the regular season, but other than that, they played 20 regular season and postseason games against the other 4 best teams in baseball: Atlanta, Cleveland, Baltimore, and Texas.

And their record in those games? 20 and 0, beginning on that Opening Day in Cleveland.
   87. jayjay Posted: February 12, 2014 at 09:46 PM (#4655960)
Totally agree. Todd Helton went out in classy fashion, too.
The DUI? Yes, very classy.
   88. God Posted: February 12, 2014 at 09:47 PM (#4655961)
I think many self-loathing losers took offense at the outpouring of respect and appreciation for a great man's work.

Yes, anyone who would rather not watch hours upon hours of repetitive bloviating, while much more deserving players go unrecognized, must be a self-loathing loser. That's some top-notch critical thinking right there.
   89. Monty Predicts a Padres-Mariners WS in 2016 Posted: February 12, 2014 at 09:53 PM (#4655963)
But we certainly didn't see anything of the kind for Chipper, Tony Gwynn, Biggio or a whole host of others who were Jeter's equal as players.


But they weren't Jeter's equal as Famous Icons of Baseball, which seems more relevant.
   90. His Clutchness, The Just Pasha Diving Jeter Posted: February 12, 2014 at 09:54 PM (#4655964)
Fellas, it's been a great run, and I hope to enjoy this final season with the netizens of BTF. Hopefully I can add a few bullet points to the resume and make you losers jealous by bedding a couple more pieces of prime ass.
   91. JJ1986 Posted: February 12, 2014 at 09:55 PM (#4655966)
I don't blame the Yankees or Rivera for the ridiculous displays that went on last year. It's the fault of all the other teams. The Red Sox or Blue Jays have no business honoring an active Yankees player.
   92. Random Transaction Generator Posted: February 12, 2014 at 09:59 PM (#4655967)
I think many self-loathing losers took offense at the outpouring of respect and appreciation for a great man's work.


I think the only fair thing would be for the Yankee fans to sit through the Yankees respecting and appreciating one opposing veteran player from each visiting team.
That includes reading articles about 20 different players, sitting through 20 different speeches, watching 20 different players be honoured on the big screen, and politely clapping as 20 different oddball items are trotted out as "gifts".
   93. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: February 12, 2014 at 10:03 PM (#4655968)
they played 20 regular season and postseason games against the other 4 best teams in baseball: Atlanta, Cleveland, Baltimore, and Texas.

And their record in those games? 20 and 0, beginning on that Opening Day in Cleveland.

onset of Alzheimer's, Andy? They couldn't have been 20-0 because they lost 4 postseason games to 3 of those clubs. Are we talking about the 96 team?

against Cle 10-3
Bal 9-3
Tex 5-7
Braves 4-2

As Herb Score said "I'm not good at math but even I know that's over .500"

but not 20-0
   94. The Yankee Clapper Posted: February 12, 2014 at 10:05 PM (#4655969)
The Red Sox or Blue Jays have no business honoring an active Yankees player.

Tell it to the fans. MLB Tonight, which only devoted about 75% of tonight's program to Derek Jeter, reported that the secondary market ticket prices for the Yankees last 2014 game in Boston jumped from $200 to $450 after Jeter's announcement.
   95. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: February 12, 2014 at 10:06 PM (#4655970)
I think the only fair thing would be for the Yankee fans to sit through the Yankees respecting and appreciating one opposing veteran player from each visiting team.


Also everybody gets a trophy and we stop keeping score.
   96. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: February 12, 2014 at 10:09 PM (#4655971)
Yes, anyone who would rather not watch hours upon hours of repetitive bloviating, while much more deserving players go unrecognized, must be a self-loathing loser. That's some top-notch critical thinking right there.


You're the biggest self-loathing loser of all, god, punishing your own creation with eternal torment because they were too smart to heed your requirement that they stay ignorant forever. You're a chump of celestial proportions.
   97. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: February 12, 2014 at 10:10 PM (#4655972)
Tell it to the fans. MLB Tonight, which only devoted about 75% of tonight's program to Derek Jeter, reported that the secondary market ticket prices for the Yankees last 2014 game in Boston jumped from $200 to $450 after Jeter's announcement.

so, does Jetes get his kickback in a gift basket?
   98. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: February 12, 2014 at 10:12 PM (#4655973)
they played 20 regular season and postseason games against the other 4 best teams in baseball: Atlanta, Cleveland, Baltimore, and Texas.

And their record in those games? 20 and 0, beginning on that Opening Day in Cleveland.


onset of Alzheimer's, Andy? They couldn't have been 20-0 because they lost 4 postseason games to 3 of those clubs. Are we talking about the 96 team?
against Cle 10-3
Bal 9-3
Tex 5-7
Braves 4-2

As Herb Score said "I'm not good at math but even I know that's over .500"

but not 20-0


Sorry I didn't catch it in time to edit that last post, but I meant to write that they went 20 and 0 in ROAD games against those teams that year, other than the 1 and 5 regular season exception in Arlington. All the other games they lost to those four teams were in Yankee Stadium.

Atlanta: 3-0 in Fulton in the World Series
The Jake: 6-0 in the regular season, didn't meet in postseason
Baltimore: 6-0 in the regular season, 3-0 in the ALCS, total of 9-0
Texas: 2-0 in the ALDS. Regular season 1-5 record there was already acknowledged.

Total: 20 and 0.
   99. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: February 12, 2014 at 10:17 PM (#4655975)
Yes, anyone who would rather not watch hours upon hours of repetitive bloviating

The easiest solution to all that is to start watching the games beginning with the first pitch. Works for the Super Bowl. And if you're not in the NYC area, you're not going to get any of those pre-game ceremonies to begin with on Extra Innings. I watched most of the Yankee games in the DC area last year, and I can't remember a single moment of the Mo tour interrupting a single minute of the YES telecasts that I saw.
   100. ptodd Posted: February 12, 2014 at 10:42 PM (#4655980)
I suspect Jeter is hedging his bets here. If he has a great 1st half he can change his mind. If he doesn't, then he has already announced and does not have to deal with fans the the press calling for his retirement.

Its also possible he is unhappy with the fact that he is now like the 10th highest paid player on the Yankees (including Arod).

Another possibility is the Yankees have told him they are signing Drew for 3 years and he does not like the idea.

But it may be just as he said, his body is not responding as well as he would have liked. If so it would behoove the Yankees to sign Drew pronto.
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