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Derek Jeter will bring old-school baseball style to the owner’s box | New York Post

Mystique and Aura are coming to Miami to rid the game of all your soulless numbers.

Jeter believes in scouting, talent, heart and soul, and he will look to fill the Marlins roster with the same kind of winning player he was during his 20-year championship career with the Yankees. In doing so he will slow down the rush to analytics that is now being portrayed the answer to all of baseball’s questions.

Consider this comment Jeter made to me at his locker several years before he retired.

“Everything is about numbers today, this game is more than numbers, buddy,’’ Jeter said. He went on to point out the value of scouting, the value of allowing a player to think for himself and not becoming a numbers robot.

Jim Furtado Posted: August 14, 2017 at 09:16 AM | 55 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: August 14, 2017 at 09:35 AM (#5512618)
Jeter believes in scouting, talent, heart and soul, and he will look to fill the Marlins roster with the same kind of winning player he was during his 20-year championship career with the Yankees. In doing so he will slow down the rush to analytics that is now being portrayed the answer to all of baseball’s questions.


The Nats, Braves, Phillies and Mets are having a nice Monday aren't they?
   2. Howie Menckel Posted: August 14, 2017 at 09:36 AM (#5512621)
this could turn out to be hilarious, from a guy who won only one WS in his last 14 seasons in spite of his team having the highest payroll

;)
   3. Colonel Samuel B. Sternwheeler Posted: August 14, 2017 at 09:40 AM (#5512625)
The stars might lie, but the numbers never do.
   4. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: August 14, 2017 at 09:42 AM (#5512626)
this could turn out to be hilarious, from a guy who won only one WS in his last 14 seasons in spite of his team having the highest payroll

Yeah, Jeets will need to bring Mariano, Pettitte, Posada, and Bernie into the ownership group to carry him to any ringzzz he's going to get as an owner.
   5. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: August 14, 2017 at 09:57 AM (#5512637)
the only things you're allowed to be is old school and blue collar
   6. Howie Menckel Posted: August 14, 2017 at 10:08 AM (#5512647)
The stars might lie, but the numbers never do.

Mary Chapin Carpenter lyric on BBTF
nice!
   7. Batman Posted: August 14, 2017 at 10:15 AM (#5512651)
He's going to slide hard into visitors to the owner's box and not be afraid to throw at any visitors who bunt or hit to his left during a no-hitter.
   8. dlf Posted: August 14, 2017 at 10:40 AM (#5512678)
Mary Chapin Carpenter lyric on BBTF
nice!


Careful or you'll have DMN criticizing Brown alumni.
   9. JimMusComp likes Billy Eppler.... Posted: August 14, 2017 at 11:01 AM (#5512709)
That excerpt in #1 is the thing legends are made of....
   10. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 14, 2017 at 11:06 AM (#5512719)
He's going to slide hard into visitors to the owner's box and not be afraid to throw at any visitors who bunt or hit to his left during a no-hitter.

I can't wait until the first time he dives into an adjoining luxury box for a foul ball and comes out with a bloody lip.
   11. fra paolo Posted: August 14, 2017 at 11:08 AM (#5512723)
Someone should remind Mr Jeter that the Marlins are hardly in the vanguard of the performance-analysis revolution.
   12. Spahn Insane, stimulus-funded BurlyMan™ Posted: August 14, 2017 at 11:10 AM (#5512727)
Season ticket holders all get a gift basket?
   13. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 14, 2017 at 11:15 AM (#5512737)
Season ticket holders all get a gift basket?

Only the ones that he sleeps with.
   14. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: August 14, 2017 at 11:19 AM (#5512746)
Only the ones that he sleeps with.


So all of them?
   15. Scott Lange Posted: August 14, 2017 at 12:00 PM (#5512790)
So all of them?


Both of them.
   16. Spahn Insane, stimulus-funded BurlyMan™ Posted: August 14, 2017 at 12:34 PM (#5512822)
Glad the followups to post 12 didn't disappoint.

Both of them.

Maybe skip the gift baskets, then, as they're expensive to produce, and in contrast to Jeter's vast roster of NYC conquests, the season ticket holder base won't afford them the benefit of the economics of scale.
   17. theboyqueen Posted: August 14, 2017 at 12:38 PM (#5512828)
Well, to be fair, Brian Sabean ended up having a better career as a GM than Billy Beane (in progress, I guess?), so using modernist jargon to describe your process is not necessarily predictive of success.
   18. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 14, 2017 at 12:55 PM (#5512844)
Both of them.

You know what I'd do if I had a baseball team?

Two chicks at the same time.
   19. Spahn Insane, stimulus-funded BurlyMan™ Posted: August 14, 2017 at 12:58 PM (#5512846)
You know what I'd do if I had a baseball team?

Two chicks at the same time.


"And I reckon if I had me a major league baseball team I could hook that up. Chicks dig dudes with money."
   20. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 14, 2017 at 12:59 PM (#5512850)
Both of them.

You know what I'd do if I had a baseball team?

Two chicks at the same time.


Jeff (Fredo) Wilpon? Is that you?
   21. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: August 14, 2017 at 01:50 PM (#5512928)
What a soft as puppy #### article that was. Derek Jeter said something a few years ago that indicates how he will run a team in 2018. Sure buddy.
   22. SoSH U at work Posted: August 14, 2017 at 01:58 PM (#5512937)
Don Mattingly: We're losing! They're burying us alive!

Giancarlo Stanton: Eddie Stanky?

Mattingly: Piss on Eddie Stanky!

Christian Yelich: Old-school baseball?

Mattingly: Piss on old-school baseball. You're blowing it!
   23. eric Posted: August 14, 2017 at 01:59 PM (#5512938)
heart and soul,


Did he pick them up at the same club as Mystique and Aura?
   24. Colonel Samuel B. Sternwheeler Posted: August 14, 2017 at 02:08 PM (#5512945)
heart and soul


Apologies to Frank Loesser are in order.
   25. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 14, 2017 at 02:09 PM (#5512948)
"And I reckon if I had me a major league baseball team I could hook that up. Chicks dig dudes with money."

Well, the type of chicks that'd double up on a dude like Jetes do.
   26. cmd600 Posted: August 14, 2017 at 02:19 PM (#5512958)
Brian Sabean ended up having a better career as a GM than Billy Beane (in progress, I guess?)


If Yeah Jetes can have a payroll two or more times as much as whoever he's going to get compared to, and is going to get to be able to call bringing in all the Silicon Valley nerds to design neat tools for him to use to evaluate players as "old-school", yeah, I would say his "old-school" approach might work.
   27. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 14, 2017 at 02:26 PM (#5512966)
Derek Jeter said something a few years ago that indicates how he will run a team in 2018. Sure buddy.

And it's a NY Post article to boot. Not sure why anyone is giving it credence as an indicator on how Jeter will actually run things. Seems like once again, there is a significant group taking the under on another stage of Jeter's career, hoping they will finally be right. Might want to wait and see what he does.
   28. Spahn Insane, stimulus-funded BurlyMan™ Posted: August 14, 2017 at 03:03 PM (#5512990)
Well, the type of chicks that'd double up on a dude like Jetes do.

"Hey, Jeter, check this out! Doesn't this chick look like Minka?"
   29. Batman Posted: August 14, 2017 at 03:08 PM (#5512998)
Perhaps it will translate this way: Perhaps pitch counts will grow. Perhaps, if a pitcher is throwing a shutout after six innings, maybe the pitcher will go an extra inning. Perhaps it just won’t be a bullpen-by-numbers situation. If a reliever is doing well, maybe he will get an extra out, an extra inning.
Perhaps he'll let his manager manage.
   30. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 14, 2017 at 03:22 PM (#5513013)
"Hey, Jeter, check this out! Doesn't this chick look like Minka?"

Funny, you only need to change one letter in the exact quote: "Hey Jeter man! Check out channel nine!"
   31. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: August 14, 2017 at 05:01 PM (#5513105)

Sounds similar to the job Michael Jordan has done as an NBA owner. This should go well.
   32. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: August 14, 2017 at 05:02 PM (#5513107)
Jeter believes in scouting, talent

Man, I hate all those owners who don't believe in scouting or talent.
   33. Batman Posted: August 14, 2017 at 05:35 PM (#5513124)
His plan to fill the roster with future Hall of Famers who win five rings does sound like a good idea.
   34. PreservedFish Posted: August 14, 2017 at 05:39 PM (#5513128)
I met a guy that owns a house and a lot of land in Virginia's "hunt country," which is where foppish wealthy DC people engage in weekend fox hunting, red velvet jackets, beagles, bugles, and everything. The fox is unpredictable of course and doesn't feel constrained by property lines, so it's important that as many locals as possible give the hunting party permission to enter their land whilst on the chase. Mary Chapin Carpenter is one of the landowning holdouts and thus an object of local scorn. I just googled "Mary Chapin Carpenter fox hunting," and came up blank, so I hope you all appreciate this TMZ-quality gossip you're getting.
   35. Howie Menckel Posted: August 14, 2017 at 05:44 PM (#5513130)
there's an annual fox hunt in NJ horse country, near Trump National Bedminster, that dates back to the 1800s. and indeed the idea was for one day a year to celebrate the consideration given by the land owners for their chases.

to loop back into the thread topic, Mary Chapin Carpenter would if Jeter asked her nicely.
   36. Batman Posted: August 14, 2017 at 05:53 PM (#5513134)
This may be a burn on Mary Chapin Carpenter:
The glory of Oak Ridge resides in her landowners, each of them generous to a fault and true country people. Many of our landowners don’t hunt, yet they go out and clear trails on their land, clean up jumps and they act as though we are doing them a favor by hunting over their land. You will never meet finer folk.
   37. QLE Posted: August 14, 2017 at 07:47 PM (#5513161)
If Yeah Jetes can have a payroll two or more times as much as whoever he's going to get compared to, and is going to get to be able to call bringing in all the Silicon Valley nerds to design neat tools for him to use to evaluate players as "old-school", yeah, I would say his "old-school" approach might work.


I'm not sure this is quite fair to how Sabean built those World Series-winning teams, when we look at the specific records with each team:

2010: Yes, the total payroll was at $98,000,000- but over half of that was spent on players (Barry Zito, Aaron Rowand, Edgar Renteria, Mark DeRosa, and Bengie Molina) who (counting Zito's hitting) were each below-average that year, and whom (except for Zito) engaged only in part-time play. The players whose performances actually led the Giants to the series, on the other hand, either were home-grown talent (Cain, Posey, Sanchez, Lincecum, Bumgarner, Wilson, and Romo), or were relatively cheap free-agent signings (Huff and especially Torres).

2012: Once again, while the payroll was at $111,000,000, most of the really expensive players were basically worthless to the actual Giants' performance (Zito, Lincecum, Huff, Wilson), while the players that produced were either home-grown (Posey, Cain, Belt, Romo, Crawford, Sandoval) or were steals in terms of value (3.2 WAA for $6,000,000 to Melky Cabrera, 2.1 WAA for $4,850,000 to Angel Pagan).

2014: The two players who were collectively more valuable than the team as a whole (Posey and Bumgarner) were both homegrown talent, as were two of the most important supporting pieces in Crawford and Sandoval.

The basic point at hand- the Giants having more money has meant that they have tended to be able to keep these pieces rather than send them away (though their experience with their pitching in particular demonstrates that they haven't had much luck with these pieces once re-signed), but that their luck has been somewhat limited in terms of high-priced acquisitions (the only ones who seem to have given the Giants much of an above-average value in these years were Jake Peavy and Hunter Pence), and that most of the talent that actually was impressive came to the team in ways other than spending like a drunken sailor.
   38. The Duke Posted: August 14, 2017 at 08:06 PM (#5513173)
What's his ownership %. 1 %, 2%? My guess is he will do what it takes for his ownership team to make koney
   39. Bote Man Posted: August 14, 2017 at 08:26 PM (#5513181)
What's his ownership %. 1 %, 2%? My guess is he will do what it takes for his ownership team to make koney

There's only one way to eat a brace of koneys and Jeter doesn't know it.
   40. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: August 14, 2017 at 08:32 PM (#5513187)
The basic point at hand- the Giants having more money has meant that they have tended to be able to keep these pieces rather than send them away (though their experience with their pitching in particular demonstrates that they haven't had much luck with these pieces once re-signed), but that their luck has been somewhat limited in terms of high-priced acquisitions (the only ones who seem to have given the Giants much of an above-average value in these years were Jake Peavy and Hunter Pence), and that most of the talent that actually was impressive came to the team in ways other than spending like a drunken sailor.

Their luck in terms of converting 87-win talent into World Series titles was somewhat less limited.
   41. QLE Posted: August 14, 2017 at 08:43 PM (#5513197)
Their luck in terms of converting 87-win talent into World Series titles was somewhat less limited.


Yeah, but money can't buy luck, and it should be noted that the team that best demonstrates my point (the 2010 one) is one that by pythag was only one game behind the Phillies and ahead of every other team in the National League, so it's not like that team won the pennant just by flukes in the playoffs.
   42. Khrushin it bro Posted: August 14, 2017 at 09:41 PM (#5513234)
Mystique and Aura???

No!

No, man!

I believe you'd get your ass kicked saying something like that.
   43. Omineca Greg Posted: August 14, 2017 at 09:42 PM (#5513235)
...which is where foppish wealthy DC people engage in weekend fox hunting, red velvet jackets, beagles, bugles, and everything.

I once met a girl oh so beauteous
But she only wooed boys much more prosperous
She said I wasn't regal enough
To hang with her beagle and stuff
Too bad, her bum was simply jodhpureous

Or, alternatively...
   44. cmd600 Posted: August 14, 2017 at 10:12 PM (#5513269)
2010: Yes, the total payroll was at $98,000,000- but over half of that was spent on players (Barry Zito, Aaron Rowand, Edgar Renteria, Mark DeRosa, and Bengie Molina) who (counting Zito's hitting) were each below-average that year, and whom (except for Zito) engaged only in part-time play


Yeah, thats one of the big benefits of being able to carry a larger payroll. You get to make mistakes on big contracts and still get to go buy more bad contracts later. If the A's had some of those contracts, they'd have to give up cheap talent to get someone to take the bad contracts off their hands.

And, of course, the other part, the Giants were at the forefront of what we now know as Statcast, and had endless amount of SV tech at their fingertips. Any portrayal of them as "old-school" is a complete ruse.
   45. QLE Posted: August 15, 2017 at 01:07 AM (#5513376)
And, of course, the other part, the Giants were at the forefront of what we now know as Statcast, and had endless amount of SV tech at their fingertips. Any portrayal of them as "old-school" is a complete ruse.


This I don't contest in the slightest, which is why I didn't bring it up- I'd say the Angels are a far better example of what happens when analytical failures are allowed to run rampant, as poor Mike Trout has spent his entire career learning the hard way.....
   46. Baseballs Most Beloved Figure Posted: August 15, 2017 at 03:29 AM (#5513386)
Along with old-school baseball will he be bringing his herpes to Miami as well?
   47. Rally Posted: August 15, 2017 at 08:49 AM (#5513421)
This I don't contest in the slightest, which is why I didn't bring it up- I'd say the Angels are a far better example of what happens when analytical failures are allowed to run rampant, as poor Mike Trout has spent his entire career learning the hard way.....


Trout's Angels haven't exactly been the Pirates from the Ralph Kiner era. It's not Jeter's Yankees, but somewhere in between:

2 70 something win seasons where the team is not competitive

2 winning seasons but short of the playoffs. In 2012 they won 89 games, short of a wild card appearance but one more win than the Central division and pennant winning Tigers. In 2015 their 85 wins were 1 short of a wild card.

1 98 win team, best record in baseball

1 work in progress, currently above .500, wild card #2 if the season ended today.
   48. PreservedFish Posted: August 15, 2017 at 09:49 AM (#5513442)
I once met a girl oh so beauteous
But she only wooed boys much more prosperous
She said I wasn't regal enough
To hang with her beagle and stuff
Too bad, her bum was simply jodhpureous


The meter is a little off but you get an A for coining "jodhpureous."
   49. PreservedFish Posted: August 15, 2017 at 10:54 AM (#5513496)
Twas a famous foxhunter, MacDougal
So endowed he could toot his own bugle
When he wheeled round his steed
His knob burst through his tweed
Impelled by the force centrifugal
   50. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 15, 2017 at 10:57 AM (#5513503)
Now that's some poetry right there.
   51. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 15, 2017 at 11:03 AM (#5513517)
In their tweeds and their argyle socks
They lit out in search of a fox
No beast to be found
Instead they lay down
And tugged upon each other's...
   52. PreservedFish Posted: August 15, 2017 at 12:52 PM (#5513611)
Riding helmet and red velvet coat,
Huntsman style always floats Jeter's boat
To mount a great stallion!
On a saddle Italian!
The 3B was content with the oats.
   53. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 15, 2017 at 01:08 PM (#5513635)
A handsome young huntsman named Jeter
Was following behind the leader
He bellowed with heft,
"A fox to the left!"
And proceeded to shoot off his peter.
   54. Omineca Greg Posted: August 15, 2017 at 01:20 PM (#5513649)
The meter is a little off but you get an A for coining "jodhpureous."


Aye, it was a tortured work, and the words did not come easy. If not for "jodhpureous", I would have abandoned the project, but I felt not continuing on when I had such treasure to be shared, would be a disservice to the World.

Long after the indifferent rhymes and off-kilter meter is forgotten, "jodhpureous" will remain.

In fact, I'm surprised spellcheck is still flagging it....
   55. PreservedFish Posted: August 15, 2017 at 01:50 PM (#5513691)
The best ass in the Raj, it was sworn
Spiced like fine Malabar peppercorn
Viceroy Jeter lusts furious
for that dame so jodhpureous
"Have a basket prepared for the morn."

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