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Tuesday, January 21, 2014

Derespina: Masahiro Tanaka derby: Reading the tea leaves

Masaography at its finest.

Here’s what we officially know about the Masahiro Tanaka sweepstakes: Very little.

Five teams have reportedly submitted formal offers for the highly-coveted Japanese righthander. The Yankees and Dodgers are viewed as the front runners in that group with the Cubs, Diamondbacks and White Sox bringing up the rear (likely in that order).

Now let’s get into the tea leaf reading:

(1) Living near a large Japanese community is apparently important to Tanaka (or at least his wife) according to multiple reports.

According to the 2010 U.S. Census, New York City tops the list of the ten places with the largest number of Asians, coming in at 1,134,919. Los Angeles is second with 483,585 and Chicago is seventh with 166,770. No city in Arizona makes the list.

Seattle, by the way, is 11th with 100,727. That’s important because the Mariners are viewed as a potential dark horse candidate to land Tanaka.

(2) Some have speculated that Tanaka may want to go to a team where he would be the lone Japanese star.

The Yankees currently have starter Hiroki Kuroda and outfielder Ichiro Suzuki (who could be traded) on the roster. Reliever Kyuji Fujikawa is on the Cubs’ roster, though it’s difficult to see him challenging for serious attention.

The White Sox, Diamondbacks and Dodgers don’t have any Japanese players on their 40-man roster (LA’s Hyun-Jin Ryu is Korean).

Repoz Posted: January 21, 2014 at 10:19 AM | 71 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 21, 2014 at 10:32 AM (#4643082)
There are reports now that he may or may not make a decision by Wednesday. And if he doesn't make a decision by Wednesday, he will likely make a decision between then and Opening Day.

I predict he ends up with the Royals or Reds.
   2. JRVJ Posted: January 21, 2014 at 10:38 AM (#4643087)
(1) Living near a large Japanese community is apparently important to Tanaka (or at least his wife) according to multiple reports.

According to the 2010 U.S. Census, New York City tops the list of the ten places with the largest number of Asians, coming in at 1,134,919. Los Angeles is second with 483,585 and Chicago is seventh with 166,770. No city in Arizona makes the list.

Seattle, by the way, is 11th with 100,727. That’s important because the Mariners are viewed as a potential dark horse candidate to land Tanaka.


As a Latin American, I HATE this type of reasoning. Derespina may be a wonderful man who simply doesn't understand the issue, but "Asians" probably means Jack Schmidt to Tanaka, who is JAPANESE (pray tell exactly why a Japanese athlete should feel happy to be surrounded by Indians, Chinese, Vietnamese, Filipinos, etc.?).


We Latin Americans have the same problem: we get lumped together, without any understanding of regional or country-to-country differences (I am Panamanian, and to the extent we have commonalities with anybody, it's with the Caribbean nations of Cuba, the Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico, the Caribbean Coast of Colombia, and to a lesser extent, Venezuela).
   3. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 21, 2014 at 10:48 AM (#4643096)
Good point in #2, according to this, Honolulu is actually #1 for most Japanese-Americans, followed by LA. Then a huge dropoff, followed by NYC, San Fran, then Seattle. Really, there aren't significantly more Japanese-Americans in NYC than San Diego, and when you consider per capita, San Diego would blow NYC away.
   4. Tim Wallach was my Hero Posted: January 21, 2014 at 10:53 AM (#4643099)
Came here to say what #2 said, basically. As a French Canadian, I'm sometimes lumped with Canadians, sometimes with French. I'm neither (although I'm also both, if that makes any sense).
   5. GregD Posted: January 21, 2014 at 10:53 AM (#4643100)
Yes NYC's Asian community is heavily Chinese and Korean, and I would be surprised--but open to the possibility--if that mattered one whit to him. I would imagine LA would have a huge advantage if Japanese-American presence is really important. My Japanese-American step in-laws always say Seattle is a great city to visit for encountering lots of Japanese-American culture, more so than NYC, though 1) this could reflect their west coast bias and 2) obviously reflects my poor skills as an NYC tour guide.
   6. McCoy Posted: January 21, 2014 at 10:55 AM (#4643105)
While it is important to consider cultural groups when doing this a larger broad race contingent in an area makes it much more likely that the products and services that you are used to and comfortable with will be available to you or at least closer to what you expect than White American product and services.
   7. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: January 21, 2014 at 11:01 AM (#4643110)
There are a lot of Japanese business people at any one time in New York so there are plenty of high end restaurants and bars that cater to them if Tanaka is in to that sort of thing. Good thing for the rest of baseball Honolulu doesn't have a team!
   8. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: January 21, 2014 at 11:02 AM (#4643113)
A big chunk of the NYC Japanese population lives just over the river in a cluster in Edgewater and Fort Lee, so I suspect the numbers by city are understating the NY population.
   9. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 21, 2014 at 11:04 AM (#4643115)
A big chunk of the NYC Japanese population lives just over the river in a cluster in Edgewater and Fort Lee, so I suspect the numbers by city are understating the NY population.


Its by Metropolitan Statistical Area, not city proper.
   10. Jeltzandini Posted: January 21, 2014 at 11:14 AM (#4643130)
First thought Derespina was a Japanesified Deadspin, like besuboru.
   11. eddieot Posted: January 21, 2014 at 11:16 AM (#4643134)
First thought Derespina was a Japanesified Deadspin, like besuboru.

I had the exact same thought.
   12. villageidiom Posted: January 21, 2014 at 11:20 AM (#4643138)
A big chunk of the NYC Japanese population lives just over the river in a cluster in Edgewater and Fort Lee
If the Yankees don't get Tanaka we should assume it's Chris Christie's fault?
   13. GregD Posted: January 21, 2014 at 11:25 AM (#4643143)
If the Yankees don't get Tanaka we should assume it's Chris Christie's fault?
Might be okay with him.

Against all my guesses, based on cocky, bullying personality, Christie is a Mets fan
   14. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: January 21, 2014 at 11:27 AM (#4643146)
Against all my guesses, based on cocky, bullying personality, Christie is a Mets fan

Heh. Mets fans aren't meek. They are very aggressively self-loathing!
   15. JRVJ Posted: January 21, 2014 at 11:28 AM (#4643148)
5, I don't pretend to understand Tanaka's reasoning, but TO THE EXTENT that having a large Japanese community around, I don't see how ASIANS are in any way important to Tanaka.

As to Seattle, I was there 3+ years ago for some business meetings, but I had a morning off and took a city tour. A big deal was made of the one-time Japanese section of old Seattle, and how it abutted the Chinese section.
   16. Best Regards, President of Comfort Posted: January 21, 2014 at 11:41 AM (#4643158)
I'm fairly sure that the Cubs are going to sign him to a ridiculously huge contract.
   17. Bitter Mouse Posted: January 21, 2014 at 11:47 AM (#4643170)
I get why absolute numbers matter, but shouldn't percentage of population also matter? In other words an equal number of Japanese Americans would stand out much more in Seattle than they would in NYC, because there is so much more total humanity in New York.

And yes everyone else points about Asian <> Japanese are valid, but I wanted to quibble in a different direction.
   18. if nature called, ladodger34 would listen Posted: January 21, 2014 at 11:58 AM (#4643184)
We Latin Americans have the same problem: we get lumped together, without any understanding of regional or country-to-country differences (I am Panamanian, and to the extent we have commonalities with anybody, it's with the Caribbean nations of Cuba, the Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico, the Caribbean Coast of Colombia, and to a lesser extent, Venezuela).


I never realized any of that kind of stuff until my best friend married a girl whose parents were from Mexico. I learned that folks from Mexico aren't particularly fond of folks from the Carribean (especially Cuba). Despite growing up in a city that where the latino population is now the majority, I just didn't realize that kind of stuff was different.

Of course, I will also say that kind of stuff disappears as families become more assimilated (hate that word, but it fits here). The Mexican side of my wife's family barely consider themselves Latino to begin with. Of course, my wife's great grandfather was born here in the late 1800s. Just to put that in perspective, I have great grandparents that were born in Norway around the same time. It probably doesn't hurt that my FIL spent most of his youth in the DR because his dad worked for the state department.
   19. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 21, 2014 at 12:03 PM (#4643193)
A big chunk of the NYC Japanese population lives just over the river in a cluster in Edgewater and Fort Lee, so I suspect the numbers by city are understating the NY population.

My little town (Harrison, NY) has a sizable cluster of Japanese expats. The town is walkable, and many of the wives don't drive. We even have a private Japanese High School in town.

Tanaka would find plenty of places in the NY area with sizable Japanese communities.
   20. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 21, 2014 at 12:08 PM (#4643196)
Of course, I will also say that kind of stuff disappears as families become more assimilated


Right, it matters to the first generation, not so much to subsequent generations. My mom is Korean and tends to not care for Japanese people at all. OTOH, I have more in common with Japanese-Americans than I do with Koreans from Korea.

My little town (Harrison, NY) has a sizable cluster of Japanese expats. The town is walkable, and many of the wives don't drive. We even have a private Japanese High School in town.


Tanaka has supposedly narrowed down his teams to the Cubs, the Mariners, the Yankees, and Harrison (NY) American Legion Post 429.
   21. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 21, 2014 at 12:10 PM (#4643199)
Tanaka has supposedly narrowed down his teams to the Cubs, the Mariners, the Yankees, and Harrison (NY) American Legion Post 429.

Harrison is 30 minutes (at most) from Yankee Stadium.
   22. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 21, 2014 at 12:21 PM (#4643214)
Harrison is 30 minutes (at most) from Yankee Stadium.


So that would start quite the rivalry if he signed with 429, eh?
   23. if nature called, ladodger34 would listen Posted: January 21, 2014 at 12:28 PM (#4643221)
Right, it matters to the first generation, not so much to subsequent generations. My mom is Korean and tends to not care for Japanese people at all. OTOH, I have more in common with Japanese-Americans than I do with Koreans from Korea.


Exactly. It's sad, but there are very few members of my wife's family that speak Spanish. The only reason my FIL amd 2 of his sisters speak it is because of being in the DR. His two older brothers couldn't speak it if they wanted to, but they were already grown up and moved out by the time my wife's grandpa had retired from the LAPD and took his job with the state department. In all honesty, her family really isn't much different than my dad's side of the family.
   24. jmurph Posted: January 21, 2014 at 12:31 PM (#4643225)
Aside from the posting fee, this is essentially a normal free agency process, right? His agent is able to relay to the Yankees, for example, that the Cubs have offered X over X years? Am I understanding that right?
   25. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 21, 2014 at 12:32 PM (#4643226)
Aside from the posting fee, this is essentially a normal free agency process, right? His agent is able to relay to the Yankees, for example, that the Cubs have offered X over X years? Am I understanding that right?

That's my understanding.
   26. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 21, 2014 at 12:35 PM (#4643227)
Aside from the posting fee, this is essentially a normal free agency process, right? His agent is able to relay to the Yankees, for example, that the Cubs have offered X over X years? Am I understanding that right?


Yes, with the caveat that Tanaka must sign by Friday (and will likely do by tomorrow in order to get physicals in and such).
   27. RMc's desperate, often sordid world Posted: January 21, 2014 at 12:43 PM (#4643238)
Attention, Tigers fans: Novi, Michigan (a small city northwest of Detroit) is 15.9% Japanese.

Actually, maybe he doesn't care about that stuff. (Hell, maybe he's coming to America to get away from the Japanese...!)
   28. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: January 21, 2014 at 12:50 PM (#4643250)
It's all so much smoke being blown up our collective asses, though. Tanaka will sign with whichever team offers the most money. If that turns out to be the Pirates his people will be talking up the burgeoning Japanese culture in the whitest city in America.
   29. jmurph Posted: January 21, 2014 at 01:02 PM (#4643265)
I think you're probably right, Zeth, but I'd buy it might matter a bit if the offers are equal or very close to being equal (might go in a bucket w/tax rates, weather, etc.).

EDIT: Meaning, Cubs at 6/120 might be less appealing than Dodgers at 6/115, because of the weather, Japanese communities, and better flights to Japan. But Cubs at 6/120 is always going to beat Dodgers at 6/100.
   30. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: January 21, 2014 at 01:10 PM (#4643272)
I had a puerto rican friend in college who went on at length about relationships and attitudes of the different latin american communities towards one another. A korean friend did the same for Asia. Both conversations were eye-opening, although I can't remember many of the details.
   31. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 21, 2014 at 01:12 PM (#4643278)
It's all so much smoke being blown up our collective asses, though. Tanaka will sign with whichever team offers the most money. If that turns out to be the Pirates his people will be talking up the burgeoning Japanese culture in the whitest city in America.


Like Alrodis Chapman signing with Cincinnati, aka "Little Havana."
   32. Bug Selig Posted: January 21, 2014 at 01:19 PM (#4643288)
I just want it over with, and I don't care where he goes as long as Peyton Manning stops trying to convince him to sign with Omaha.
   33. KT's Pot Arb Posted: January 21, 2014 at 01:30 PM (#4643310)
No city in Arizona makes the list.


Pretty sure this is a blatant lie. My arizona workplace is 90% asian.

It's a casino.

Sorry Tanaka, almost entirely chinese/vietnamese with a little korean for spice.
   34. Nasty Nate Posted: January 21, 2014 at 01:41 PM (#4643328)
I had a puerto rican friend in college who went on at length about relationships and attitudes of the different latin american communities towards one another. A korean friend did the same for Asia. Both conversations were eye-opening, although I can't remember many of the details.


I wonder if the language issue is a meaningful difference between the situations.

E.G. A uni-lingual Vietnamese person cannot communicate with someone who speaks only Japanese as easily as two people from two different Latin backgrounds who both can speak Spanish, right?
   35. Comic Strip Person Posted: January 21, 2014 at 01:50 PM (#4643341)
Re: variations within Latino population groups, I've had several very amusing conversations with my Salvadorean friend about the deplorable Spanish grammar (his judgment) of other South American nations. There's no greater grammar geekery than bilingual grammar geekery.
   36. GregD Posted: January 21, 2014 at 01:57 PM (#4643346)
What about Ecuadorians? My student who are Ecuadorian think other Latinos speak atrociously, and the other Latino students think the Ecuadorians sound like they are out of an old movie or something. (Small sample size, admittedly. And obviously these differences in accents and slang are nothing like the language differences of Korean and Japanese and Mandarin.)
   37. Bitter Mouse Posted: January 21, 2014 at 02:08 PM (#4643358)
There's no greater grammar geekery than bilingual grammar geekery.


A friend of mine married a state dept translator and her bridesmaids were all translators. It was pretty amusing.
   38. TerpNats Posted: January 21, 2014 at 02:11 PM (#4643361)
A big chunk of the NYC Japanese population lives just over the river in a cluster in Edgewater and Fort Lee

If the Yankees don't get Tanaka we should assume it's Chris Christie's fault?
I believe John Sterling lives in Edgewater, so the Japanese community there would probably tell Tanaka not to sign with the Yankees.
   39. JRVJ Posted: January 21, 2014 at 02:23 PM (#4643372)
35, El Salvador is not a "South American Nation". It's a Central American nation. South America starts on the border between Panama and Colombia, rather far away from El Salvador.

36, Ecuador has two distinct accents, from what I can tell: coastal from the Guayaquil áreas and Highland from the Quito and Andean regions.

The one you are probably thinking is more Quito / Andean Spanish which does sound somewhat hickish (and it's certainly not rapid fire).

IMO, the most beautiful Spanish out there is that spoken by well-educated Peruvians (I have no stake in Peru, other than having being in Lima last year for a conference. It's an opinion I've held to for over 15 years).
   40. John Northey Posted: January 21, 2014 at 02:32 PM (#4643381)
Y'know what would be funny? If Tanaka waits so long to decide then fails a physical and there isn't time to get a deal finished with someone else. Heh...no chance but it would be funny.
   41. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 21, 2014 at 02:35 PM (#4643384)
E.G. A uni-lingual Vietnamese person cannot communicate with someone who speaks only Japanese as easily as two people from two different Latin backgrounds who both can speak Spanish, right?


I remember on a ski lift sitting next to a guy from Italy and a guy from Spain. Both could barely speak English, but they were excitedly trying to communicate about how similar their languages were. It was actually really cool.
   42. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: January 21, 2014 at 02:46 PM (#4643395)
I remember on a ski lift sitting next to a guy from Italy and a guy from Spain. Both could barely speak English, but they were excitedly trying to communicate about how similar their languages were. It was actually really cool.


I once was at a company function sitting at a table with an Indian guy, a Mexican guy and a Kazakhstani woman. The Indian and Mexican guys both spoke English and for some reason the Mexican guy spoke Russian which the Kazakhstani woman also spoke. The Indian guy was flirting with the Kazakhstani woman through the Mexican guy. I can't adequately describe how long it took for conversation to flow.
   43. madvillain Posted: January 21, 2014 at 02:54 PM (#4643404)
Obviously we'll know soon, but I wonder how much of a chance the White Sox really have here. Obviously they feel confident enough to spend the time to make an offer and to meet with Tanaka but they aren't going to trump the Yankees or Dodgers' offer, right?
   44. I am going to be Frank Posted: January 21, 2014 at 02:56 PM (#4643409)
Attention, Tigers fans: Novi, Michigan (a small city northwest of Detroit) is 15.9% Japanese.


According to the wiki its 15.9% Asian, and about 4.5% Japanese (of the total population). I had a couple friends from college who were from there.

I had a puerto rican friend in college who went on at length about relationships and attitudes of the different latin american communities towards one another. A korean friend did the same for Asia. Both conversations were eye-opening, although I can't remember many of the details.


In my opinion, pretty much all Asian people hate the Japanese, mainly for WWII reasons. However, there has been a fair amount of envy as Japan got rich and developed products and companies became worldwide leaders. It has been softening as more Asian countries got richer and the rise of China, but memories still linger. As China got richer and started flexing their muscles, that has been more worrisome. Even among Chinese people, people from Taiwan and Hong Kong look down on the people from the mainland .

In more recent times, Asian countries have looked more at South Korea - mainly to their cultural exports (not just Psy, but K-Pop and soap operas) but also some Korean companies have become worldwide brands.
   45. if nature called, ladodger34 would listen Posted: January 21, 2014 at 02:56 PM (#4643410)
Re: variations within Latino population groups, I've had several very amusing conversations with my Salvadorean friend about the deplorable Spanish grammar (his judgment) of other South American nations. There's no greater grammar geekery than bilingual grammar geekery.


It's funny, the same Mexican wife that married my BFF and referenced earlier has ####### about the Puerto Ricans and other Carribeans speak 'dirty spanish'. To be fair to her, her Spanish is very good. But my previously mentioned FIL is even better. The Spanish he learned in the DR was more Catillion in nature, but when he came back home he learned to speak Mexican Spanish. And once he became an undercover detective with LA County SO, he knew how to exploit different accents and such

//my FIL is a tea party type, but he is very smart. He ended up being a deputy for most of his life, but his mechanical abilty is amazing. The guy can diagnose and fix a trans or A/C problem just by hearing the symptoms. My wife and her brother totally get their smarts from their dad. If he was college educated, I would imagne he would have fell into the engineering field. The guy is seiriously a sevant in the area of transmissions.
   46. if nature called, ladodger34 would listen Posted: January 21, 2014 at 03:06 PM (#4643421)
I would like to add another interesting wrinkle to this. My (very white) parents have 6 grand children (with a 7th on the way) and all 7 of them are partially Hispanic. All of us married someone who was Mexican to some extent.

My oldest speaks Spanish (and he is way white, despite his mommy's maiden name of Ruiz), because we put him in a dual immersion program.
   47. Kiko Sakata Posted: January 21, 2014 at 03:07 PM (#4643423)
Obviously we'll know soon, but I wonder how much of a chance the White Sox really have here. Obviously they feel confident enough to spend the time to make an offer and to meet with Tanaka but they aren't going to trump the Yankees or Dodgers' offer, right?


It's not even the Yankees and Dodgers they have to worry about; it's the Cubs. All of the cultural stuff - size of Japanese population, desirability of city, ease of travel to/from Japan - are identical for the Cubs and White Sox as are non-salary financial issues - taxes. Given a choice between the Cubs and White Sox, it seems to me that there's very little chance that he takes the lesser offer. And unless the Cubs are blowing smoke to appease the fan base (which is definitely possible), I'd be really surprised if the White Sox out-bid the Cubs.
   48. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: January 21, 2014 at 03:15 PM (#4643433)
I wonder if the language issue is a meaningful difference between the situations.

E.G. A uni-lingual Vietnamese person cannot communicate with someone who speaks only Japanese as easily as two people from two different Latin backgrounds who both can speak Spanish, right?


Oh, sure. I didn't mean to suggest that the situations are directly compatible. Just that there are all sorts of nuances in the relationships and attitudes that I knew nothing about as a white american.
   49. madvillain Posted: January 21, 2014 at 03:15 PM (#4643435)
Given a choice between the Cubs and White Sox, it seems to me that there's very little chance that he takes the lesser offer. And unless the Cubs are blowing smoke to appease the fan base (which is definitely possible), I'd be really surprised if the White Sox out-bid the Cubs.


True, I wonder how much stock Tanaka places in the Cub's history of futility -- probably little if any. In the end the money will talk imo. One wild card is that Reinsdorf might see this as some huge opportunity to expand the White Sox' brand into Japan and with Dunn coming off the books this year and a number of other salaries already cleared, he could be willing to make an Albert Belle like splash.

I lived with a FOB Japanese woman and her fiance in Brooklyn's Chinatown for awhile, that was fun. She'd get greeted with "Ni hao" all the time.
   50. Spahn Insane Posted: January 21, 2014 at 04:46 PM (#4643552)
I wonder how much stock Tanaka places in the Cub's history of futility -- probably little if any.

Probably not much more than he places in the White Sox's history of futility.
   51. GregD Posted: January 21, 2014 at 05:03 PM (#4643575)
Ha! Flags fly forever. The 2005 one isn't even dirty....yet
   52. Davo Dozier (Mastroianni) Posted: January 21, 2014 at 05:09 PM (#4643584)
Masahiro Tanaka derby: Reading the tea leaves


"I get it!"
   53. Willie Mayspedes Posted: January 21, 2014 at 05:12 PM (#4643588)
If he signs with the Angels he can live in Irvine. It's pretty much all Asians.

EDIT: Looked it up 39% not bad!
   54. madvillain Posted: January 21, 2014 at 05:41 PM (#4643609)

Ha! Flags fly forever. The 2005 one isn't even dirty....yet


And yet that's infinity times more world championships than the Cubs have won in the last 100 years ;-)
   55. SouthSideRyan Posted: January 21, 2014 at 05:46 PM (#4643617)
[51]That's only because they don't let their fans touch it.
   56. Curse of the Andino Posted: January 21, 2014 at 06:16 PM (#4643643)
In my experience, people from Asia outside Japan hate the Japanese. The Chinese government was flooding the airwaves with patriotic dramas showing just how bad the occupation was when I was last there (2011) for propaganda reasons. Koreans, older ones, are also quite pissed. However, Taiwanese, at least from the Taipei area, really love Japanese food/culture/cooking (and for that matter, a lot of Korean parents would send their kids to Japan for schooling... shh!).

Also, wouldn't surprise me if there were more Japanese in the DC area who haven't shown up in the census yet. Nowhere near as large a population as the Chinese in Rockville or the Koreans in Annandale/Ellicott City, but Mrs. Tanaka could feel quite at home in Montgomery County, MD should the Nats make an offer.
   57. Cabbage Posted: January 21, 2014 at 09:18 PM (#4643767)
In my experience, people from Asia outside Japan hate the Japanese. The Chinese government was flooding the airwaves with patriotic dramas showing just how bad the occupation was when I was last there (2011) for propaganda reasons. Koreans, older ones, are also quite pissed. However, Taiwanese, at least from the Taipei area, really love Japanese food/culture/cooking (and for that matter, a lot of Korean parents would send their kids to Japan for schooling... shh!).


I've got very close ties to several Eastern European-American communities, so I think it's really interesting to learn what regional stereotypes there are in other parts of the world. Just what do the Butanese thing of the Nepalese?
   58. Greg K Posted: January 21, 2014 at 10:47 PM (#4643807)

I've got very close ties to several Eastern European-American communities, so I think it's really interesting to learn what regional stereotypes there are in other parts of the world. Just what do the Butanese thing of the Nepalese?

One of my professors was born in Bulgaria and moved to Canada when she was a child. She always found the regional rivalry between various parts of Canada amusing/troubling. She liked to say that growing up in the Balkans made a person a bit suspicious about people hating on other people because of where they're from.
   59. asinwreck Posted: January 21, 2014 at 11:44 PM (#4643834)
Tanaka will sign with whichever team offers the most money. If that turns out to be the Pirates his people will be talking up the burgeoning Japanese culture in the whitest city in America.

"Masahiro will enjoy hanging out on the third floor of Wean Hall at Carnegie Mellon when he is not pitching."
   60. McCoy Posted: January 21, 2014 at 11:47 PM (#4643836)
Tanaka will sign with whichever team offers the most money. If that turns out to be the Pirates his people will be talking up the burgeoning Japanese culture in the whitest city in America.

He's going to be a punter for the Green Bay Packers?
   61. GregD Posted: January 22, 2014 at 12:04 AM (#4643847)
"Masahiro will enjoy hanging out on the third floor of Wean Hall at Carnegie Mellon when he is not pitching."
No way. He's going to be in Room 317 of the Pitt Cathedral of Learning. (the Japanese Nationality Room for the uninitiated)
   62. Cooper Nielson Posted: January 22, 2014 at 01:07 AM (#4643864)
I wonder if the language issue is a meaningful difference between the situations.

E.G. A uni-lingual Vietnamese person cannot communicate with someone who speaks only Japanese as easily as two people from two different Latin backgrounds who both can speak Spanish, right?


That's exactly what I was thinking. I totally agree with JRVJ's point in #2, but I can understand why, for example, a Dominican player would be more comfortable in a city with a lot of Spanish speakers, even if they weren't Dominican.

For a Japanese player in an "Asian" area that is mostly Vietnamese or Indian, I don't see the same benefits.
   63. Morton's Fork Posted: January 22, 2014 at 01:42 AM (#4643876)
Nobody seems to know a thing about Tanaka the person, certainly not Derespina, and yet he thinks that Tanaka will make his decision based on considerations other than money? There's a HUGE sample of baseball players about whom we know a lot more than we know about Tanaka, and every single one of them goes for the money every single time.

Tea leaves my ass.
   64. Jim Kaat on a hot Gene Roof Posted: January 22, 2014 at 03:20 AM (#4643882)
In my experience, people from Asia outside Japan hate the Japanese.


Mine, too. But also there are other bigotries among them, all of which I find very interesting as an American. I dated a Chinese-Australian for a while who grew up in a home where the parents' first language was Cantonese. Her dad regarded Southeast Asians as subhuman, and from the way I took it this was a common attitude among people of his age and background. My Polish girlfriend's family absolutely hated Russians (I got bonus points from the gf for trolling her aunts with my CCCP t-shirt). My grandmother, who lived through the Blitz, hates Germans and the French, too, for good measure.
   65. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: January 22, 2014 at 03:47 AM (#4643886)
My Korean mother, born in 1941, told me how she was worried about how she was worried about how her family would react to her marrying my Caucasian father. When she told them about it their reaction was, "Totally fine, we don't care as long as he's not Japanese."
   66. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: January 22, 2014 at 09:05 AM (#4643918)
"Totally fine, we don't care as long as he's not Japanese."

[65]: Pretty much the same situation for me if you switch Japanese and Korean. My dad was nervous meeting the in laws for the first time, but he wouldn't have gotten in the door if he was Korean.

Any major league city has a sizable enough Japanese population that they could sell it to the Tanakas. My mom arrived in Cincinnati in the mid 70s and quickly found Japanese friends, stores, etc.
   67. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 22, 2014 at 10:31 AM (#4643994)
Also, wouldn't surprise me if there were more Japanese in the DC area who haven't shown up in the census yet


That's quite enough of the Japanese stereotypes of them hiding and being sneaky.
   68. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: January 22, 2014 at 10:47 AM (#4644022)
FOX just reported that Tanaka just signed a 7/$155 deal with the Yankees.
   69. jmurph Posted: January 22, 2014 at 10:47 AM (#4644023)
MLB Trade Rumors has him signing with the Yankees.

EDIT: Beat to the punch.
   70. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 22, 2014 at 11:07 AM (#4644048)
No doubt induced by the large Japanese population in Harrison, NY.
   71. Spahn Insane Posted: January 22, 2014 at 11:19 AM (#4644066)
Well, ####.

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