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Detroit Tigers’ Victor Martinez: Saturday will be final game of career

Victor Martinez plans to end his career at Comerica Park.

Martinez said his last game will be Saturday against the Kansas City Royals, according to a Tigers spokesperson.

Martinez, speaking to a scrum of reporters, thanked Tigers fans on Friday for their support over the years and said, according to MLive, “after tomorrow, it’s going to be it. That will be my last game. This is one way to thank everybody.”

QLE Posted: September 22, 2018 at 08:35 AM | 16 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. BDC Posted: September 22, 2018 at 09:34 AM (#5749438)
Closest careers to Martinez by OPS+ and PA:

Player             dWAR   PA OPSRbaser  HR  RBI   BA  OBP  SLG        Pos
Wally Joyner       
-5.1 8115  117    3.1 204 1106 .289 .362 .440      *3H/D
Gil Hodges         
-5.3 8102  120   -0.4 370 1274 .273 .359 .487 *3/H275984
Dusty Baker        
-6.0 8022  116    1.0 242 1013 .278 .347 .432   *789H/3D
Victor Martinez    
-8.0 8161  118  -34.9 246 1178 .295 .360 .455      D23/H
Shawn Green       
-11.6 7963  120    9.1 328 1070 .283 .355 .494   *93/H87D
Ken Griffey       
-14.5 8049  118   18.1 152  859 .296 .359 .431    97H83/D
Lee May           
-15.5 8219  116    1.6 354 1244 .267 .313 .459    *3DH/79
Willie Horton     
-16.8 8052  120  -15.3 325 1163 .273 .332 .457    *7D9H/5
Gary Matthews     
-18.6 8189  118   10.6 234  978 .281 .364 .439     *79H/


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Generated 9/22/2018.

When you search for comps for a guy like Martinez, a good hitter for a long time, the highest dWAR usually belongs to a Hall of Famer. If you make the parameters just a little wider here, for instance, you get Bobby Doerr (8028 PAs at an OPS+ of 115, and in fact Doerr is Martinez' #1 B-Ref comp). It's interesting, if fortuitous, that these guys are lesser lights defensively – Joyner and Hodges had good reputations as defensive 1B, but overall of course that doesn't generate great value. Hodges is an interesting comp because he too came up as a catcher. (I didn't realize that Hodges caught two innings for Brooklyn as late as 1956, and one for LA in 1958.)

Griffey and Matthews on the list are Seniors, of course.
   2. Chris Fluit Posted: September 22, 2018 at 10:30 AM (#5749445)
It's interesting, if fortuitous, that these guys are lesser lights defensively – Joyner and Hodges had good reputations as defensive 1B, but overall of course that doesn't generate great value.

That's a product of positional adjustment. Joyner was worth +52 fielding runs and Hodges +48.
   3. Davo cant be eatin thirty hot dogs every day Posted: September 22, 2018 at 12:49 PM (#5749491)
His 2014 season was pretty special: .335/.409/.565 with 32 homers and just 42 strikeouts. That’s probably the closest we’ll ever again see to a guy with HR>Ks.
   4. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 22, 2018 at 01:07 PM (#5749499)
That’s probably the closest we’ll ever again see to a guy with HR>Ks.

That's one of most amazing things about DiMaggio. 361 career HR. 369 K's.
   5. flournoy Posted: September 22, 2018 at 01:14 PM (#5749504)
His 2014 season was pretty special: .335/.409/.565 with 32 homers and just 42 strikeouts. That’s probably the closest we’ll ever again see to a guy with HR>Ks.


Barry Bonds did it in 2004 (45 HR, 41 K), and had some other years where he was very close.

I grant that Bonds was an atypical player.
   6. BDC Posted: September 22, 2018 at 01:14 PM (#5749505)
That's a product of positional adjustment. Joyner was worth +52 fielding runs and Hodges +48


Exactly. But in turn that's why Bobby Doerr is a Hall of Famer and Wally Joyner isn't close.
   7. Sweatpants Posted: September 22, 2018 at 01:23 PM (#5749511)
That's one of most amazing things about DiMaggio. 361 career HR. 369 K's.
If he had retired one season earlier, he would be one of the very few players to finish with more home runs than strikeouts. The only two that I know of are Keith McDonald and Esteban Yan.

Through 148 games of the 2006 season, Albert Pujols had 46 home runs and 44 strikeouts, but he finished with 49/50.
   8. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: September 22, 2018 at 02:20 PM (#5749547)
If he had retired one season earlier, he would be one of the very few players to finish with more home runs than strikeouts. The only two that I know of are Keith McDonald and Esteban Yan.
Through the first couple of months of his career, Willians Astudillo is matching Keith McDonald. HR > K:

Player               HR SO From   To PA
Willians Astudillo    3  2 2018 2018 69
Keith McDonald        3  2 2000 2001 11
Rick Short            2  1 2005 2005 17
Carlos Rivero         1  0 2014 2014  8
Mark Worrell          1  0 2008 2011  2
Esteban Yan           1  0 1996 2006  3
Mike Ulicny           1  0 1945 1945 19
Abie Hood             1  0 1925 1925 23
Frank Rooney          1  0 1914 1914 37
Walter Tappan         1  0 1914 1914 45 


Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 9/22/2018.
Generated 9/22/2018.
   9. MikeinMI Posted: September 22, 2018 at 02:46 PM (#5749564)
I hope they let them catch tonight for an inning if he wants.
   10. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 22, 2018 at 04:52 PM (#5749661)
That's one of most amazing things about DiMaggio. 361 career HR. 369 K's.

Until his last season, DiMaggio actually had more HRs than K's, 349 to 333. Berra was pretty good too, 358 career HRs, only 414 K's, especially when one considers how aggressive Yogi was at the plate (704 BB in 19 seasons). Not likely to see anyone do that today.
   11. Walt Davis Posted: September 22, 2018 at 06:37 PM (#5749698)
He ends with slightly more starts at DH than C plus 195 at 1B. If he had retired after 2016, he'd have finished with a 301 career BA.

The final contract (4/$68) was one of Dombrowski's sillier mistakes but VMart was able to stay pretty healthy for ages 36-39. Still it came to -2 WAR which, sure, was worse than expected but not a big surprise.

I always liked him as a player and wish him the best in his retirement.
   12. BDC Posted: September 22, 2018 at 09:06 PM (#5749762)
I always liked him as a player and wish him the best in his retirement


Oddly enough, my strongest memory of Martinez is a game the Rangers played at Fenway in April of 2010. They stole nine bases in five innings off Martinez (or more properly, off Martinez' difficulties catching Tim Wakefield). Nelson Cruz stole three of them. I must have listened to that game on the radio, because I remember feeling for the guy even though it was my team taking advantage of him.
   13. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: September 22, 2018 at 09:15 PM (#5749765)
My chief memory of Martinez was during an interview shortly after his trade to the Red Sox. His son, ~3, was with him. Little one was in tears, and at one point he says "Daddy, are we not Indians anymore?"
   14. TJ Posted: September 22, 2018 at 09:39 PM (#5749771)
V-Mart's last at bat? He legged out an infield single. Who would have bet good money on that? Nice farewell for him tonight...
   15. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: September 22, 2018 at 09:52 PM (#5749779)
V-Mart's last at bat? He legged out an infield single.


Not exactly a Ted Williams moment, but nice.
   16. Cooper Nielson Posted: September 23, 2018 at 06:51 AM (#5749838)
My chief memory of Martinez was during an interview shortly after his trade to the Red Sox. His son, ~3, was with him. Little one was in tears, and at one point he says "Daddy, are we not Indians anymore?"

Griffey and Matthews on the list are Seniors, of course.

And Lee May's grandson, Jacob May, made the majors last year.

So based on these comps, things are looking pretty good for Little Victor. Maybe he'll even play for the Indians..

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