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1. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: December 09, 2009 at 04:03 PM (#3407831)I don't know why Dewan would think the 31 percent would be surprising. Other than Games 1, 6 and maybe 13 (and perhaps the start after the All-Star Game), I'd expect a team's ace to face the other team's slots in equal numbers. And it's not too uncommon that a fairly short time into a season guys not in the opening day rotation are occupying 40 percent or more of the rotation.
Me either. Sh1t happens. Pitchers get hurt. Some pitchers stink and are replaced from the minors as the year goes on. Without doing a study myself the I probably would have guessed anywhere from 20% to 35%.
Two things interest me about that number. One, if the 31% holds for all pitchers and not just for opponents of the aces, then the average games started I should project for a team's top 5 starters is around 22. That will consider the chances of getting hurt, ineffective, whatever.
But with the opening day aces making 824 starts, that works out to 27.5 per ace pitcher.
Dewan, like Bill James, doesn't research what other people have done before he goes off and does something.
-- MWE
Mike, remind me to ask you in a more personal setting if you are being critical of this or just stating a fact. I have a feeling I know the answer but it's hard to tell in print.
I'm pretty sure the #1 vs. #1 was done longer than 2.5 years ago too.
Anyway, yes, heaps of starts outside the intended rotation every year.
But with the opening day aces making 824 starts, that works out to 27.5 per ace pitcher.
Well, you become a team's #1 by being their best pitcher so these guys are removed from the rotation only in the rarest of circumstances. So they only miss starts due to injury and they've also generally been durable to that point to become a #1 as well. So it's not that surprising.
I think I guesstimated once that somewhere around 100 starts is the 'break even' point on the top 4. Your #5 through whatever will get about 40% of the total starts. Also teams usually average around 40-45 starts from guys with a seasonal ERA+ of 85 or worse -- this number does get inflated by quite bad staffs who will give such a guy 32 starts (the Rangers used to be really good at this).
And this is the main why Kenny Williams is a good GM (and/or the White Sox pitching coach is a genius and/or they have the finest training staff in baseball) -- they almost always get 115-120 starts out of their top 4 starters and barely dip into the #6-8 starters (except when they trade someone mid-season).
On the topic at hand, an interesting tidbit would be how often a #1 was pitched on 3 days rest so he could face the opponent's #1. That would show intent rather than randomness. I would guess that almost never happens these days except maybe in Sept.
Isn't this obvious to anyone that watches baseball?
No need for a more personal setting. I'm stating a fact.
-- MWE
You'd think. But read most team previews that don't bother to even discuss rotation depth (they are getting better about this), read threads around here about teams' chances, see claims that the guy who'll (usually) give you 180 innings of 95 ERA+ ball is easily replaceable, read the debates about AJ Burnett's durability (112 starts from 2005-8) from last offseason, etc. and it's clear that lots of fans (including thinking ones!) don't grasp the magnitude of the issue. Apparently even John Dewan didn't know it and Jaffe's work is only 2.5 years old and was pretty surprising to lots of people. Apparently there are still people who think that #1s usually face off against other #1s which means they haven't even noticed that teams are pretty strictly sticking to a 5-man rotation these days ... or they have no grasp of how unlikely it is that team schedules would line up so nicely.
Important unanswered questions (as far as I know) are how much of it is injury vs. suckiness and how does it compare to previous eras.
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