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Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Dewan: Is Hanley Ramirez an Upgrade for the Dodgers?

Creepin’ Caminantes! Ramirez is the “146th-best player in baseball”?

Even if his bat rebounds in pitcher-friendly Dodger Stadium, the Dodgers may still have a problem on their hands. Even before his offensive struggles, Hanley’s defense has been a problem. According to Defensive Runs Saved (as calculated by Baseball Info Solutions), Hanley cost the Marlins 64 runs compared to an average defensive shortstop from 2006 through 2011. Using the rule of thumb that 10 runs translates to a win in the standings, Ramirez cost his team about a win per season with his defense.

Upon signing shortstop Jose Reyes this offseason, the Miami Marlins moved the 28-year-old Hanley to third base to accommodate last year’s batting champion. Unfortunately, Hanley hasn’t been much better at the hot corner, costing the Marlins 10 runs this year with his defense, placing him 33rd out of 35 regular third basemen in Defensive Runs Saved. When you add in his value at the plate and on the basepaths in addition to an adjustment for the difficulty of playing the position, Hanley’s 55 Total Runs at the time of the trade put him in a tie for as the 146th-best player in baseball. By comparison, Dodgers infielders Juan Uribe and Jerry Hairston had provided solid defense (7 Defensive Runs Saved) and combined for more Total Runs (57) than Ramirez this season despite fewer plate appearances.

By comparison, David Wright leads the league with 103 Total Runs in 2012. Including his contributions on both sides of the ball, Wright leads a group of players considered the top MVP candidates at this point in the season.

Repoz Posted: July 31, 2012 at 06:39 AM | 8 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Walt Davis Posted: July 31, 2012 at 08:18 AM (#4196773)
Or by fangraphs measures he was (overall) a smidgen below average last year and a bit above-average this year.
   2. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: July 31, 2012 at 10:39 AM (#4196893)
Clearly LA is hoping a change of scenery brings back some of his mojo. I think it will. (Offensively)
   3. phredbird Posted: July 31, 2012 at 02:16 PM (#4197246)
nevermind.
   4. phredbird Posted: July 31, 2012 at 02:20 PM (#4197249)
in other news, simers has put out his first hanley ramirez-themed column. i am not going to post it, since the simers debates are always pretty much the same. this is just fyi.
   5. Nasty Nate Posted: July 31, 2012 at 02:28 PM (#4197259)
my roto team is anxiously hoping the Dodgers play Hanley at SS soon
   6. I am going to be Frank Posted: July 31, 2012 at 02:56 PM (#4197285)
It goes back to the question - is it erosion of skill or laziness?
   7. He who brought the butter dish to Balshazar (CoB) Posted: July 31, 2012 at 03:17 PM (#4197316)
Nobody makes a first impression like TJ Simers


Ramirez is also from the Dominican Republic with Boston Red Sox roots and has a reputation for having a bad attitude.

"Oh yeah," says Ramirez when I advise him of his reputation. "I'm just honest."

"So to be honest," I say in extending a Page 2 greeting, "Do you have an attitude problem?"

"Not really," says Ramirez, which really isn't an outright denial.

"So then all those stories about you having an attitude problem are just not true?"

Ramirez's reply: "Can you mention one?"

I tell him he's been playing in Miami, out of sight and I can't get specific now, but we can sit down later and go over every report that has him being a problem.

   8. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 31, 2012 at 03:20 PM (#4197320)
Does anyone use first person narrative as much as TJ Simers?

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