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1. X-Roid User Posted: September 27, 2010 at 10:38 PM (#3649845)I don't fancy myself enough of an expert to objectively judge Barton or other 1Bs, but if you ever get a chance to see him play, he is physically impressive for a smallish* first baseman. To say he is flexible is an understatement. He does the splits on almost every low throw on a close play. I've never seen another first baseman, including McCovey, more deserving of the title, "Stretch." Barton's ability to move to the ball has turned dozens of would be infield singles into outs.
*Barton is listed at 6'0", but seeing him stand next to runners on first base, he seems to be shorter than most players in the AL. I would guess he is closer to 5'10" than 6 feet.
Michael Bourn* 2.5
Angel Pagan# 2.1
Justin Upton 2.0
Juan Pierre* 1.7
Jose Lopez 1.7
Gerardo Parra* 1.6
Yadier Molina 1.6 (FB)
Chase Headley# 1.6
Franklin Gutierrez 1.6
Andres Torres# 1.5
Evan Longoria 1.5
Shin-Soo Choo* 1.5
Peter Bourjos 1.5
Josh Wilson 1.4
Drew Stubbs 1.4
Brendan Ryan 1.4 (FB)
Jay Bruce* 1.4
Clint Barmes 1.4
Fangraphs' UZR leaders:
Carl Crawford 22.0
Brett Gardner 16.9
Ryan Zimmerman 15.9 (FB)
Michael Bourn 14.3
Chase Headley 14.1
Jay Bruce 14.0
Tony Gwynn 13.1
Kevin Kouzmanoff 12.7
Alexei Ramirez 12.6
Adrian Beltre 11.9
Gerardo Parra 11.7
Brendan Ryan 11.2 (FB)
Marlon Byrd 10.5
Brandon Phillips 10.4
Orlando Hudson 9.9 (FB)
Ichiro Suzuki 9.8
Justin Morneau 9.8
Daric Barton 9.7 (FB)
Teams ranked by b-ref's dWAR:
SEA 5.8
SFG 3.2
NYM 3.2
OAK 3.1
ATL 2.9
CLE 2.4
ARI 2.4
BOS 2.3
COL 2.2
TBR 1.9
DET 1.9
SDP 1.5
CIN 1.5
STL 1.4
PHI 1.1
TOR 0.1
LAD -0.1
NYY -1.1
FLA -1.3
MIL -1.6
TEX -1.9
LAA -2.3
KCR -2.3
BAL -2.3
MIN -2.5
WSN -2.6
CHW -3.1
HOU -3.4
CHC -3.7
PIT -9.5
Teams ranked by UZR/150:
Padres 7.7
Athletics 7
Giants 6.7
Rays 6.6
Diamondbacks 6.4
Reds 5.8
Mets 4.5
Twins 4
Rangers 2.9
Tigers 2.2
Yankees 1.3
Mariners 0.9
Red Sox 0.7
Blue Jays 0.4
Nationals -0.3
Cubs -0.9
Phillies -1
Angels -2
Brewers -2.2
Cardinals -2.4
Dodgers -2.6
White Sox -3.3
Astros -3.4
Marlins -3.5
Orioles -4.4
Rockies -5
Braves -6.1
Pirates -6.4
Indians -6.7
Royals -7.4
No consensus: Cleveland is ranked as the 2nd worst team defense by UZR/150, while it is 6th best in MLB by dWAR; Atlanta is ranked as the 4th worst team defense by UZR/150, while it is 5th best in MLB by dWAR; Minnesota is ranked as the 8th best team defense by UZR/150, while it is 6th worst in MLB by dWAR; and Colorado is ranked as the 5th worst team defense by UZR/150, while it is 9th best in MLB by dWAR.
Consensus teams: Oakland, Arizona and San Francisco are agreed to be among the best; Detroit they agree is in the upper third; Toronto and Philadelphia are middle of the pack; Milwaukee is bettered by two-thirds of all teams; and Baltimore and Pittsburgh are among the worst in both metrics.
Dumb question maybe: what does 20 runs saved on defense look like if you could move it over to his offense? Is it the same as 20 home runs? Barton hasn't hit for power (8 hr) but he's played great defense. Would average defense with 28 home runs be equivalent production?
It looks like dWAR is Total Zone. So among other differences, dWAR doesn't use batted ball locations while UZR does.
In other words, if I were to say the Cleveland Indians had a terrible defense this year, would that statement be correct? According to UZR the answer is yes. But according to dWAR the answer is no, Cleveland had one of the best defensive teams in baseball this year. One of these is certainly wrong. At least one of the methodologies does not work. I hope the point comes soon when we know which one it is.
It really doesn't matter much to me as a consumer of the information how the stats are arrived at. What concerns me is that I don't know the answer to the most basic question: which teams played the best and worst defense?
The fact that a few (OAK, ARI and SFG) were at the top of both metrics doesn't even do me much good. It seems like random chance that a few would match up. If I laid out the 30 teams in the order presented by dWAR and then drew each team's name out of a hat and called that second order their UZR ranking, it's just as likely to match up a few at the top, middle and bottom as the real UZR rankings do.
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