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Diamond Notes: Bill Plaschke on his feelings on Manny Ramirez today

“I’m even madder now. Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? Yeah Dodger fans, He’s being as if he’s returning from Iraq or something.

“The club has done nothing during the suspension but coddle him and treat him as if he had suffered some life-threatening disease or something and he was trying to make a valiant comeback.

“Basically the Dodgers and their fans - a lot of their fans, not all of them, but a lot of them - have pretty much accepted steroids in saying, ‘It’s no big deal. Glad to have you back, Manny. Sorry you were gone.’ It’s all that sort of thing. So it’s really kind of disconcerting.

“He’s lost $7 million. I undestand that. Otherwise, it’s been the best summer of Manny Ramirez’s life.

“First time in baseball history that a team will devote a section of its stands for people who want to cheer a drug cheat.”

Tripon Posted: July 03, 2009 at 10:44 PM | 38 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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1. Crashburn Alley Posted: July 04, 2009 at 12:45 AM (#3241781)

Plaschke's righteous indignation has got to be an act. No one can be this historically ignorant and this logically twisted. Right?

2. Lassus Posted: July 04, 2009 at 12:47 AM (#3241782)

Underestimating ignorance has never really been a winning strategy.

3. Dock Ellis on Acid

Posted: July 04, 2009 at 12:48 AM (#3241784)

Plaschke's righteous indignation has got to be an act. No one can be this historically ignorant and this logically twisted. Right?

Maybe we'll have a better idea when we hear Bill Plaschke on his feelings on Manny Ramirez tomorrow.

4. mex4173 Posted: July 04, 2009 at 01:03 AM (#3241790)

I didn't read the article(s) but has Plaschke ever said what seems to be be his real argument, that the suspenions are not long enough, in any of these things?

5. Earvin 'Gold Stars' Johnson Posted: July 04, 2009 at 01:04 AM (#3241791)

Manny is now my hero for so badly ####### up Plaschke's head.

6. Tripon Posted: July 04, 2009 at 01:11 AM (#3241796)

Here's the thing about Plaschke. He forgot how mad Frank McCourt was at the beginning at Manny.

There's a reason for that. Plaschke doesn't pay attention to the Dodgers while the Lakers are in the playoffs, outside of a few big ticket news like Manny's suspension.

So of course Plaschke's shocked and angered that nobody thinks like him because for Plaschke, he's clearly thinks as a guy who doesn't pay attention to the Dodgers day to day.

7. Earvin 'Gold Stars' Johnson Posted: July 04, 2009 at 01:16 AM (#3241802)

I didn't read the article(s) but has Plaschke ever said what seems to be be his real argument, that the suspenions are not long enough, in any of these things?

IIrc, Plaschke went on Around the Horn and argued Manny should be banned for life.

8. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: July 04, 2009 at 01:45 AM (#3241831)

With Manny returning and Artest coming to town, Plaschke's columns practically write themselves right now.

9. Bitter Calculus Instructor Posted: July 04, 2009 at 01:50 AM (#3241840)

The Artest article was pretty funny today.

Explain to me, please, why they wouldn't even negotiate further with Trevor Ariza before quickly agreeing to sign Ron Artest?

Artest is a better player, but that's not the point.

10. Rich Rifkin Posted: July 04, 2009 at 01:57 AM (#3241847)

“First time in baseball history that a team will devote a section of its stands for people who want to cheer a drug cheat.”

This Giant statue at 24 Mays Plaza is devoted to a known drug cheat, one very often called the greatest player in baseball history. Would Plaschke have the Giants disown that drug cheat and tell them to take down his statue?

11. Tripon Posted: July 04, 2009 at 02:06 AM (#3241869)

Of course he would.

12. Earvin 'Gold Stars' Johnson Posted: July 04, 2009 at 02:09 AM (#3241874)

Vin Scully just told his listening audience that when Manny steps to the plate, the crowd will do the talking and his first word won't be spoken until after the first pitch.
Vin is great.

13. Earvin 'Gold Stars' Johnson Posted: July 04, 2009 at 02:13 AM (#3241880)

At least half at Petco were cheering; maybe 60-40 to the boos.

14. Tripon Posted: July 04, 2009 at 02:16 AM (#3241889)

That's because half of Petco is filled with Dodgers fans tonight.

15. Earvin 'Gold Stars' Johnson Posted: July 04, 2009 at 02:25 AM (#3241903)

Looks to be so, doesn't it?

16. Jeff K. Posted: July 04, 2009 at 02:31 AM (#3241906)

Jesus #### Christ. Seriously, how many articles does the world need on this? This isn't poking at those posting threads, this is squarely at the media. That guy says boo him, that guy says cheer him, those 40 guys say if you don't boo you're a terrorist and these 20 say if you boo then you're not a real fan.

I'm really, really having a hard time remembering a completely pointless topic in baseball getting coverage this widespread and persistent. First, Manny's not the first guy to return from PED suspension, and as such shouldn't this topic have been hashed out by the exactly 4.3 people who give one #### about it the first dozen times it came up? Second, NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU THINK DODGER FANS SHOULD DO. Sorry for TOLAXOR there, but damn.

17. Justin 'The Cespedobear' T Posted: July 04, 2009 at 02:31 AM (#3241907)

All the cheers made me smile. Thanks to the writer discussed in this thread for making it so enjoyable.

I liked how at one point Scully said something like "all the fans standing and some of them taking pictures, for whatever reason."

"Now here, grandson, is the picture from when the great Manny Ramirez returned from his 50-game suspension for taking roids."

18. pkb33 Posted: July 04, 2009 at 03:28 AM (#3241927)

IIrc, Plaschke went on Around the Horn and argued Manny should be banned for life.

Let's just ban Plaschke for life instead.

19. Petuniaviles Posted: July 04, 2009 at 03:31 AM (#3241932)

Someone should trick him into talking bad about the Royals.

20. Gamingboy Posted: July 04, 2009 at 03:33 AM (#3241935)

Yawn. Plaschke. A Cuban Defector. Strasburg. Manny.

Didn't miss much during my break.

21. Earvin 'Gold Stars' Johnson Posted: July 04, 2009 at 03:55 AM (#3241945)

Manny goes 0-for-3 with a walk; Pierre in to play LF.

22. Tripon Posted: July 04, 2009 at 03:56 AM (#3241946)

There's speculation that Manny will skip tomorrow's game, but I doubt it.

23. Crashburn Alley Posted: July 04, 2009 at 04:14 AM (#3241950)

There's speculation that Manny will skip tomorrow's game

Plaschke is going to slash Manny's tires so that he's late to the ballpark. Thus, Torre benches him. Yes... that's the ticket.

24. Shock Posted: July 04, 2009 at 05:46 AM (#3241976)

I don't remember the exact Bill Hicks quote.

But anyone who is this self-righteous has to be hiding a deep

dark

secret.

I wouldn't be surprised if one day ther'es a raid

on Plaschke's house

and

we find the corpses of several children in

his

basement.

25. Tripon Posted: July 04, 2009 at 05:55 AM (#3241979)

Manny, and Torre both say Manny is playing tomorrow.

26. Earvin 'Gold Stars' Johnson Posted: July 04, 2009 at 06:43 AM (#3241985)

Plaschke's postgame sulk can be found here.
Not long after this all broke and Plaschke got mad at the fans for not wanting to string up Manny, I said Bill was getting close to blaming the fans.

The entire night was reminiscent of the constant scene around the San Francisco Giants several years ago.

A player was bigger than the game. A drug issue elicited more responses than the score. The buzz was initially interesting and fun, but later bulky and onerous.

On a night when Manny Ramirez was supposed to return as a shamed drug cheat, he actually created a stir befitting the greatest home run hitter in baseball history.

All you Dodgers fans who secretly coveted Barry Bonds?

You got him.

(giggle)
Gee, sorry to let you down, Bill.

27. pthomas Posted: July 04, 2009 at 06:51 AM (#3241986)

Bill Plaschke and the LA Times have had Manny on the front page of the paper several times in the last few weeks, and an article has been written about Manny's every move on the front page of the sports pages practically every day of the Manny's suspension. A Plaschke article, with full above the fold headline and picture of Manny has graced all of these articles. Tonight, on the Dodger page, there is a Manny picture and a Plaschke byline right next to it, and I'm sure the paper on my porch tomorrow morning will have Manny plastered above the fold on the front page again.

So, the Times and Plaschke have endlessly hyped Manny to sell newspapers. If they want Manny to be shamed, they could have just left him alone, or ignored him, or hesitated to promote him for every single one of the last 50 days.

28. Earvin 'Gold Stars' Johnson Posted: July 04, 2009 at 06:55 AM (#3241987)

If this was the Times' Sports section last stab at relevancy, I'd say it failed spectacularly.

29. Alex_Lewis Posted: July 04, 2009 at 07:55 AM (#3241991)

Does this entertainer (Manny) do his job successfully? It would appear so. That said, what's the big freaking deal?

I just don't understand. Fortunately, nobody I know cares about this very much.

30. Gambling Rent Czar Posted: July 04, 2009 at 08:03 AM (#3241992)

So, the Times and Plaschke have endlessly hyped Manny to sell newspapers. If they want Manny to be shamed, they could have just left him alone, or ignored him, or hesitated to promote him for every single one of the last 50 days.

Many of the LA Times newspaper stands here in San Diego, have a poster of Manny on the front of the box.

31. Gambling Rent Czar Posted: July 04, 2009 at 08:05 AM (#3241993)

And why do people keep linking to Plaschke anyways.

You cant stand the guy, yet you keep putting food on his dinner table.

Odd.

32. BringBackTimTeufel Posted: July 04, 2009 at 02:53 PM (#3242043)

You cant stand the guy, yet you keep putting food on his dinner table.

Have you seen the man? We're not the only ones doing that....

33. VoodooR Posted: July 04, 2009 at 05:41 PM (#3242119)

And why do people keep linking to Plaschke anyways.

Because it's fun to talk sh!t.

34. Srul Itza Posted: July 04, 2009 at 07:32 PM (#3242218)

why do people keep linking to Plaschke anyways.

Why do people go to horror movies?

In real life, most people don't want to find themselves in situations where the prevalent emotion is fear. But they will pay $10 for the privilege of experiencing faux fear.

In real life, most people don't seek out situations where they want to find themselves outraged. But they will post the link here, for the privilege of experiencing faux outrage.

35. Shock Posted: July 04, 2009 at 07:37 PM (#3242221)

Faux outrage...you mean Plaschke's?

36. cardsfanboy

Posted: July 04, 2009 at 07:41 PM (#3242224)

Plaschke's righteous indignation has got to be an act. No one can be this historically ignorant and this logically twisted. Right?

don't watch Fox News much do you.

37. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: July 04, 2009 at 08:16 PM (#3242232)

manny yard.

38. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: July 06, 2009 at 06:21 AM (#3243065)

I'm really, really having a hard time remembering a completely pointless topic in baseball getting coverage this widespread and persistent.

Will Bud Selig physically attend Barry Bonds' record-breaking game? And if so, will his hands clap without enthusiasm?

Oh, the suspense. Now THAT was a thrill ride.

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