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Did Twins infielder trick his own teammates into committing a ridiculous error?

The Minnesota Twins committed one of the silliest errors you’ll ever see in a Major League Baseball game on Wednesday, and visual evidence suggests it was caused by an infielder who wasn’t even involved in the play.

It happened in the third inning of Minnesota’s 8-7 win against the Los Angeles Angels. Shohei Ohtani hit a sharp comebacker that Twins starting pitcher Jake Odorizzi did well to field cleanly. But that’s precisely where the good defense on this play ended.

As Odorizzi gathered and flipped to first base, everyone in the ballpark was stunned when C.J. Cron whiffed on making the catch.

How could that happen?

So, is it just dumb luck that the Twins are dominating their competition, or just the natural result when half the teams are openly not trying?

 

QLE Posted: May 16, 2019 at 03:50 AM | 24 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Man o' Schwar Posted: May 16, 2019 at 01:07 PM (#5842811)
I saw this live. It was the weirdest thing. Everyone was running off the field, and all of a sudden the ball was rolling into foul territory.

Ohtani looked so surprised he almost missed touching first.
   2. SoSH U at work Posted: May 16, 2019 at 01:13 PM (#5842814)
That's always the risk of efforts to deceive. You can end up fooling your teammate.

It's particularly risky when, as in this case, there was no opponent to deceive.

   3. Man o' Schwar Posted: May 16, 2019 at 01:15 PM (#5842816)
That's always the risk of efforts to deceive. You can end up fooling your teammate.

I've seen it with pop-ups before - I remember Andrus doing this to mess with Beltre more than once. But I don't think I've ever seen it on a ground ball, or at least never seen it where something like this was the result.
   4. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 16, 2019 at 01:16 PM (#5842818)
That's always the risk of efforts to deceive. You can end up fooling your teammate.
This reminds me of those "It's hard to live with a lie" TV ads the Mormon church used to run about 30 years ago. Anyone else remember those?
   5. aberg Posted: May 16, 2019 at 01:17 PM (#5842819)
Cron has looked good defensively this year. I hadn't paid much attention to him prior to when he joined the Twins. What did LAA fans think of him when he was there?
   6. Davo Has Marianne Mindset Posted: May 16, 2019 at 01:40 PM (#5842824)
It’s the flip version of this play, where the baserunner Lorenzo Cain helps the third baseman out by advising him to get the runner out at home.

It’s good sportsmanship!
   7. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 16, 2019 at 02:15 PM (#5842837)
It’s the flip version of this play, where the baserunner Lorenzo Cain helps the third baseman out by advising him to get the runner out at home.

It’s good sportsmanship!


What was Cain trying to achieve?
   8. Man o' Schwar Posted: May 16, 2019 at 02:24 PM (#5842841)
What was Cain trying to achieve?

I believe the bases were loaded. If the 3B had stepped on 3rd and then turned his attention to the runner heading home, they could have gotten a double play. But Cain distracted his attention, and the fielder threw home without stepping on the bag first.
   9. Davo Has Marianne Mindset Posted: May 16, 2019 at 02:32 PM (#5842842)
I think Cain was selfish, and just really wanted to stay on the basepaths, even if it cost his team a run.

And can you blame him? Running the bases is fun!
   10. Itchy Row Posted: May 16, 2019 at 02:39 PM (#5842844)
I like watching Lorenzo Cain run the bases. He gave up a run for the greater good of baseball.
   11. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: May 16, 2019 at 02:47 PM (#5842847)
There was a game a couple of years ago, in which as I remember Javier Baez was at 3b, Addison Russell at SS, and on a ground ball hit to Russell, Baez, near Russell, mimicked his actions, from bending over to scoop the ball, standing up, cocking his arm, and throwing to first. Or maybe he did it to Bryant at 3B while he was at SS.
   12. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: May 16, 2019 at 03:29 PM (#5842855)
There was a game a couple of years ago, in which as I remember Javier Baez was at 3b, Addison Russell at SS, and on a ground ball hit to Russell, Baez, near Russell, mimicked his actions, from bending over to scoop the ball, standing up, cocking his arm, and throwing to first. Or maybe he did it to Bryant at 3B while he was at SS.

I remember that as well (Baez may have been at second base?). Rizzo caught the ball but was not happy.
   13. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: May 16, 2019 at 03:36 PM (#5842856)
No, it was definitely on the right side of the IF. It was either Bryant or Russell making the play.
   14. bunyon Posted: May 16, 2019 at 03:49 PM (#5842857)
I saw this live as well and think there is more blame for the pitcher than being given. Cron clearly never looked at him and wasn't looking at him when Odorizzi lobbed the ball. Now, on a hard hit grounder to short, the SS doesn't have time to check the first baseman is looking at him. But on this play, Odorizzi should have checked that and yelled to get his attention.

Cron, also, should've followed the play better. Odorizzi had the ball before Cron should ever have moved.

And the deke with no one on base is foolish.


This calls for a team error, for sure. Everyone screwed up a little but no one screwed up a full error's worth by themselves.
   15. SoSH U at work Posted: May 16, 2019 at 05:10 PM (#5842890)

This calls for a team error, for sure.


That is so needed. A pop-up that lands between three players should not be a hit because you can't figure out who to assign the E to.
   16. Walt Davis Posted: May 16, 2019 at 06:09 PM (#5842905)
As to the Twins, the ALC, etc. ... Unlike last year, the ALC has been holding its own just fine so far this year. They are +5 vs ALE, -5 vs ALW and -5 vs the NL. The Twins are 11-5 against ALE and 6-4 against ALW while having played only 11 games within the division (8-3). I'm not gonna bother tracking down who they have/haven't played so there might be a lot of Baltimore and KC in there but they still have to have pretty much held their own against any good teams they've played.

I don't really expect it to last although I won't rule out that they will continue to win handily within their division. But they're just one game over their pythag and looking at their stats, there's not that much craziness. They're getting insanely good production from their Cs and presumably Jorge Polanco isn't the next ARod. The SPs (Michael Pineda!) seem OK -- a couple are out-pitching their FIPS some but nothing dramatic. Their 4 top relievers who, who, who and who presumably won't continue to pitch to a collective 250 ERA+ but as long as they're better than 4 anonymous AAA relievers, there's hope.

Buxton's hitting this year which is nice. A rather bizarre line though -- he's got a 222 ISO built on 18 doubles, 2 triples and 2 HRs. He's on pace for about 70 doubles vs. 8 HR. Here are the record number of doubles for different HR totals:

0 48 Nap Lajoie
1 48 Dick Bartell, Joe Sewell
2 49 Ned Williamson
3 52 Tris Speaker
4 64 George Bunrs (Grudzielanek 2nd with 54/
5 57 Billy Herman
6 53 Freddy Sanchez
7 57 Billy Herman
8 62 Paul Waner
9 55 Ed Delahanty
10 53 Tris Speaker

So Bunrs holds the record for biggest 2B-HR difference and Buxton has a shot. He even has a shot at the 2B/HR record for HR>=6. Two of the biggest records in baseball!!
   17. vortex of dissipation Posted: May 16, 2019 at 07:28 PM (#5842914)
4 64 George Bunrs (Grudzielanek 2nd with 54/
5 57 Billy Herman
6 53 Freddy Sanchez
7 57 Billy Herman
8 62 Paul Waner
9 55 Ed Delahanty
10 53 Tris Speaker

So Bunrs holds the record for biggest 2B-HR difference and Buxton has a shot. He even has a shot at the 2B/HR record for HR>=6. Two of the biggest records in baseball!!


Not meaning to be disrespectful, but I can't help but be amused by a post that spells Grudzielanek perfectly, but gets Burns incorrect twice. That's George Burns the first baseman, BTW.
   18. Nasty Nate Posted: May 16, 2019 at 07:47 PM (#5842915)
I was saying boo-nrs
   19. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 16, 2019 at 08:00 PM (#5842918)
Not meaning to be disrespectful, but I can't help but be amused by a post that spells Grudzielanek perfectly, but gets Burns incorrect twice.

Perfectly normal in Poland.
   20. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: May 16, 2019 at 08:11 PM (#5842922)
I believe the bases were loaded. If the 3B had stepped on 3rd and then turned his attention to the runner heading home, they could have gotten a double play.

Could have, but I think it is pretty likely the runner scores in that situation. By the time he has got back to third, the runner is 15 feet further down the line, the force play is no longer in effect, and the runner is in the path of the natural throwing lane to the catcher. That is at the very least not a straightforward out.
   21. SoSH U at work Posted: May 16, 2019 at 08:20 PM (#5842925)
What was the runner on third doing? He should have taken off for home immediately. Rodriguez had an easy double play (tag the runner, step on the bag), but I think the runner's bizarre retreat thoroughly confused him.

   22. Davo Has Marianne Mindset Posted: May 16, 2019 at 08:41 PM (#5842928)
21- the runner in this case was pitcher Gio Gonzalez. This may have been his first time on third base!
   23. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: May 17, 2019 at 12:11 AM (#5842978)
Not meaning to be disrespectful, but I can't help but be amused by a post that spells Grudzielanek perfectly, but gets Burns incorrect twice. That's George Burns the first baseman, BTW.


I was saying Boo-nrs.
   24. Walt Davis Posted: May 17, 2019 at 02:20 AM (#5842981)
Indeed an odd typo. Let me know if it retunrs.

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