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Displeased but not ready to dismantle, ‘Mo’ says moves give Cardinals ‘a peek at the future’ | St. Louis Cardinals | stltoday.com

I like the moves the Cardinals are making. One remaining move that needs making…cutting the cord with Dexter Fowler. Fowler’s been a decent player for his career but he’s never been a good outfielder. Now that he’s not hitting he’s not give a lot of value. I know that jettisoning approximately $54.5 million (over 3.33 years) is tough for the decision makers who signed off on the contract but at some point you have to face reality and embrace the sunk cost.

Jim Furtado Posted: August 02, 2018 at 09:10 AM | 11 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Nasty Nate Posted: August 02, 2018 at 09:41 AM (#5719533)
I think if they traded him, they could get some of the money back.

With 3 years of control left, it wouldn't be wise to just release him (yet). I don't think the roster spot is very valuable to them right now.
   2. Zonk is a Doppleclapper Posted: August 02, 2018 at 10:33 AM (#5719566)
Hey - his 2016 defensive numbers were pretty good!

Hard to feel bad for a millionaire many times over, but I honestly do feel for Dex... Loved him in Chicago. No room for him on the roster, but I'd take him back in a heartbeat if there was (not at that price, of course).
   3. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: August 02, 2018 at 11:39 AM (#5719613)
I've been going down the rabbit hole of baseball-related YouTube compilations the last few nights, and finally landed on one for the Cubs' 2016 postseason run. It goes without saying that it was an enjoyable watch, but man, it made me remember how much I enjoyed Fowler. He didn't have an otherworldly postseason or anything, but that lead-off homer in Game 7 of the World Series was one of those moments where I remember exactly where I was when it happened. (due to prior engagements, I wound up watching the game in three different locations throughout the course of the night)

It's been sad to see him totally fall off a cliff in St. Louis. Always seemed like a great guy, and while I think it can be overstated how vital the lead-off man is, the Cubs really did seem to perform based on how well Fowler was doing.
   4. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: August 02, 2018 at 01:33 PM (#5719697)
Glad we can all agree that Fowler is awesome and the Cards ruined him.
   5. Voodoo Posted: August 02, 2018 at 02:17 PM (#5719737)
but that lead-off homer in Game 7 of the World Series was one of those moments where I remember exactly where I was when it happened.


Me too. I was in the store grabbing some beers listening to Pat and Ron on headphones, thinking that I was just catching the pre-game but they had moved the start time up about 10 minutes for some reason (maybe anticipating the rain that ended up coming?) and I was pissed that I hadn't arrived at my destination for the first pitch, I'm standing in line and Dex goes deep and I shriek, everyone looks at me, and I just tell them Cubs lead 1-0 and they all knew what I was exclaiming about.

We of course are going to forever love all the key players on the 2016 team, even Miguel Montero, who's G1NLCS grand slam and his hit that provided an insurance run in G7WST10, shielded him from the fact he started acting like a whiny little pissbaby as early as Parade Day 2016.
   6. Walt Davis Posted: August 02, 2018 at 06:25 PM (#5719932)
He put up a 122 OPS+ last year. I know this year is atrocious and there's a very good chance this is the end but no point cutting him now ... at least bring him to spring training and see how he looks. As long as he never plays CF again, he can still be a useful player if the bat rebounds. But sure, nobody should be losing playing time to him this season.
   7. cardsfanboy Posted: August 02, 2018 at 07:51 PM (#5719981)
He put up a 122 OPS+ last year. I know this year is atrocious and there's a very good chance this is the end but no point cutting him now ... at least bring him to spring training and see how he looks. As long as he never plays CF again, he can still be a useful player if the bat rebounds. But sure, nobody should be losing playing time to him this season.


This. He's a quality third/fourth outfielder on a good team. He has no business in center, and with his arm issues, has no business in right, so he's mostly just a leftfielder right now(and as far as I know of, nobody has really publicly stated he has arm issues, but it's readily apparent to anyone watching him play that the team knows his arm is holding on by a thread, he can one inning make a perfectly fine throw one one hop to the plate, the next inning, he has to submarine a ball to the cutoff man standing in short left---and yes, I'm talking about a specific game that happened in the past two weeks) but going forward, no team is going to be 'hurt' by having him on the roster as a starting left fielder for 120 games in a season. He's not a true starter any more to be honest as many teams are smart enough to have 4 quality outfielders, and even though he's a switch hitter, he's the guy that you hope is your 3rd or 4th best outfielder.

The fact that he is just a left fielder, and that the Cardinals who have Martinez who is also just a left fielder, creates a bit of an issue(mind you, I'm probably one of maybe 15 people in St Louis that still believes Martinez could be a passable first baseman for the first 6 innings or so of a game. )
   8. Sunday silence Posted: August 02, 2018 at 08:07 PM (#5719998)
what happens after inn. 7? He turns into a vampire or something?
   9. McCoy Posted: August 02, 2018 at 08:09 PM (#5719999)
The future is more Cubs
   10. cardsfanboy Posted: August 02, 2018 at 08:16 PM (#5720004)
what happens after inn. 7? He turns into a vampire or something?


At that point in time you actually have to make a tactical decision based upon the future of the particular game on what to do. If you are winning by a run or two, then you stress defense and set up the best defensive team you have(that is still major league hitters) if you are losing you have to hope that the lower quality defense won't hurt you this particular time while giving you a slight offensive advantage.

   11. The Duke Posted: August 02, 2018 at 10:43 PM (#5720102)
Nothing much to do. Play him everyday the rest of the year and hope you can dump him without losing the whole $54 million owed him.

I wasn’t a big fan of the signing because the cards had some great talent in the wings but no one knew he would turn into a pumpkin. I doubt it is age. Think he just signed a massive guaranteed contract and threw in the towel. It happens.



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