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Wednesday, October 10, 2012

Division Series Day 5 OMNICHATTER

A quadruple-header day!

NLDS G3: St. Louis (Chris Carpenter, 37, 0-2, 3.71) @ Washington (Edwin Jackson, 29, 10-11, 4.03) 1 PM on MLB Network
NLDS G4: San Francisco (Barry Zito, 34, 15-8, 4.15) @ Cincinnati (Mike Leake, 24, 8-9, 4.58) 4 PM on TBS
ALDS G3: Baltimore (Miguel Gonzalez, 28, 9-4, 3.25) @ New York Yankees (Hiroki Kuroda, 37, 16-11, 3.32) 7:30 on TBS
ALDS G4: Detroit (Max Scherzer, 28, 16-7, 3.74) @ Oakland (A.J. Griffin, 24, 7-1, 3.06) 9:30 on TNT

And remember: Don’t wake up on a road-side ditch.

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   101. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: October 10, 2012 at 01:51 PM (#4261844)

I think that when the Gabba Gabba Hey house from BU shows up,


Is this a typo or has BU changed its policies since I graduated? When I went there, there was only one fraternity affiliated with the university (and it seemed to spend half its time suspended or on double-secret probation). All of the frat houses on Bay State Road were rented by MIT fraternities. BU has many faults, but a rowdy frat community isn't one of them, or wasn't.
   102. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: October 10, 2012 at 01:51 PM (#4261846)
Just out of curiosity, NJ, why so much?

Every move they make works out. Every washed up veteran, retread pitching project, faceless minor league FA, everything always ####### works out for them.
   103. Gamingboy Posted: October 10, 2012 at 01:51 PM (#4261847)
Stuff so far:

CHECKLIST:
Evergreen-
Conradian Play []
Infield Fly [ ]
THIS TRAIN! [X]
Dramatic Late-Inning HR [ ]
Men in scoring position with nobody out-- nobody ends up scoring [ ]
1-2-3-4-5-6 inning [ ]
Pitcher gets a hit [X ]
Regular Season starter warms up in bullpen [ ]
Shapeshifting strike zone [ ]
Idiot runs on field [ ]
Strike out of side [ ]
Decibel Meter [ ]
Intentional walk [ ]
Stolen Base [ ]
Caught Stealing [ ]
A team facing elimination is said to be down to their last X [ ]
Movie previews: Argo [ ] Wreck-It Ralph [ ] Cloud Atlas [ ] Lincoln [ ] Skyfall [ ]
Surprise bunt [ ]
Web Gem [ ]
Play at the plate [ ]
Replay review [ ]
2-Out Rally! [ ]
Shapeshifting strikezone [ ]
An announcer basically screams out "I LOVE THIS GAME!" [ ]
"Deke" []
-----STL-DC specific----
Costas mentions Mickey Mantle [ ]
Costas mentions Roger Maris [ ]
Costas mentions Stan Musial [ ]
Costas mentions Walter Johnson [ ]
Costas mentions any Olympian [ ]
Teddy Roosevelt [ ]
Edwin Jackson's No-Hitter [X ]
Harper does something awesome [ ] (Harper Ks instead [ ])
Mark McGwire [ ]
They point out a politician at the game []
"Sun Monster" [ ]
Pujols mentioned [ ]
FREESE! [ ]
Game 6 2011 flashback [ ]
Shot of Strasburg in the dugout [X ]
   104. Greg K Posted: October 10, 2012 at 01:51 PM (#4261848)
Man, does Carpenter have any of his original body parts left?
   105. Gamingboy Posted: October 10, 2012 at 01:53 PM (#4261849)
Hell of a harder call then the last one Joyce blew....
   106. Good cripple hitter Posted: October 10, 2012 at 01:53 PM (#4261850)
I suspect that will be the big post-game talking point.


And the big pre-game talking point, the big in-game talking point, and the big talking point if the Nats disappoint next year, or if Strasburg gets injured, or if Strasburg doesn't get injured, or if Strasburg pulls a Walter Johnson and doesn't make the playoffs again until he's 36...
   107. fra paolo Posted: October 10, 2012 at 01:54 PM (#4261852)
That was confusing: when the umpire spread his arms to give the 'out' sign, I thought he was signalling safe.
   108. McCoy Posted: October 10, 2012 at 01:54 PM (#4261853)
Blows the call again
   109. salvomania Posted: October 10, 2012 at 01:54 PM (#4261855)
I suspect that will be the big post-game talking point.


It was a pre-game talking point.
   110. JE (Jason) Posted: October 10, 2012 at 01:56 PM (#4261858)
Blows the call again

What do you mean? This was the make-up call for what happened in Detroit.
   111. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 10, 2012 at 01:56 PM (#4261859)
And well it should be. I can't understand how people can root for a team that gets into the playoffs and decides not to try its hardest to win.
   112. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 10, 2012 at 01:57 PM (#4261860)
It was a pre-game talking point.


That makes sense. This is probably the series I've followed the least of the four and being at work I'm following on my phone so I have no audio.
   113. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: October 10, 2012 at 01:57 PM (#4261861)
I took my cousin to this Phillies-Red Sox game. I was dressed in my Phillies, she in a Red Sox cap and a Schilling Red Sox jersey. She had no problems, but that could have been to a few mitigating factors:

1) The Phillies won easily
2) We were in the 400 level behind home plate so probably a better class of fans
3) She's cute and large-breasted
4) Curt's still pretty loved in Philly so the jersey was okay. (In fact, the guy flirting with her on our way out talked about he would never bear any ill will toward Schilling.)


Pics or it didn't happen.
   114. Sleepy supports unauthorized rambling Posted: October 10, 2012 at 01:57 PM (#4261863)
That was confusing: when the umpire spread his arms to give the 'out' sign, I thought he was signalling safe.


So I guess Espinosa was bunting for a hit, and should have been safe?
   115. Famous Original Joe C Posted: October 10, 2012 at 01:58 PM (#4261865)
Is this a typo or has BU changed its policies since I graduated? When I went there, there was only one fraternity affiliated with the university (and it seemed to spend half its time suspended or on double-secret probation). All of the frat houses on Bay State Road were rented by MIT fraternities. BU has many faults, but a rowdy frat community isn't one of them, or wasn't.

I'm a little out of date now too (graduated in '03), but at the time I think there were 2-3 frats (I didn't run in those circles). I think I recall something like 5% of the student body was in "Greek" organizations. Point being, you're right - BU has plenty of douche factor, but if it's frat boys driving you nuts, it's likely Northeastern, MIT, or BC. (When did you graduate, SdeB?)

Every move they make works out. Every washed up veteran, retread pitching project, faceless minor league FA, everything always ####### works out for them.

Yeah, I get it. It does make me a little nuts to look up their stats and go "who are these guys?" while looking at a bunch of 110-130 OPS+ lines. The fact that Kyle Lohse was 16-3 with an ERA under 3 for them this year is also a serious WTF. Kyle Lohse!
   116. salvomania Posted: October 10, 2012 at 01:59 PM (#4261867)
So I guess Espinosa was bunting for a hit, and should have been safe?


Yes. I thought it was clear in real time that Espinosa was safe.
   117. Gamingboy Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:00 PM (#4261869)
Game 6 flashback [X]
   118. JE (Jason) Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:01 PM (#4261870)
I know it helps pays the electric bill, but otherwise why is Nike permitted to run a football ad on the MLB Network?
   119. salvomania Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:02 PM (#4261873)
Kyle Lohse!


He's actually been metronomically good: he throws low strikes on both sides of the plate, doesn't walk anybody, and doesn't give up homers. And he's a noticeably excellent fielder, which helps more than some may realize.

EDIT: OK, Lohse gave up 19 hr in 2012, and while that's around his career low rate, it's nothing special.
   120. Gamingboy Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:04 PM (#4261878)
I know it helps pays the electric bill, but otherwise why is Nike permitted to run a football ad on the MLB Network?


Because it pays the electric bill. Besides, I seem to recall NBA guys being featured during NFL games and seeing baseball ads during NBA games...
   121. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:05 PM (#4261879)
tom

setting aside that i consider that trying hardest to win post a cheap shot and having no dog in this fight if strasburg pitches, his arm falls off, are you second guessing having him pitch?

i realize you can give any answer you want but i will assume the honor system in place

i ask because that is such a sportswriter thing to say (what you posted) and the same writers would hammer the nationals for pitching the kid and he got hurt.
   122. Juan Uribe Marching and Chowder Society Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:05 PM (#4261880)
Baseball is awesome. So is football.
   123. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:05 PM (#4261882)
An unnamed Nationals player told FoxSports.com that Washington would own a two-game lead over the St. Louis Cardinals in the NL Division Series if Strasburg were on the roster.

"If we had (Strasburg), we'd be up 2-0," the anonymous player told FoxSports.com.


Maybe this time the reporter will think to ask the player's name.

That Nats are cool though, they've got Edwin Jackson. What could go wrong? And if that somehow doesn't work out, Ross Detwiler in Game 4. That's money in the bank.
   124. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:06 PM (#4261883)
somebody taught lohse to throw a fastball that moves versus the meatball of years back

if it moved differently i would just write it off as a spitball but it doesn't have that type of action

it does miss bats. almost by magic
   125. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:08 PM (#4261885)
Every move they make works out. Every washed up veteran, retread pitching project, faceless minor league FA, everything always ####### works out for them.

........a Yankees fan is making this complaint?
   126. morineko Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:08 PM (#4261886)
All I have to say re Strasburg is "Brett Anderson." Also whatever the A's do with him next year will probably go unnoticed outside the Bay Area.
   127. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:10 PM (#4261889)
if it moved differently i would just write it off as a spitball but it doesn't have that type of action


Does anyone throw the spitball these days? When I was a kid (70s/80s) it seemed like there were a lot of players believed to throw a spitball, every team seemed to have at least one guy. It seems like the only time it gets mentioned now is when someone gets busted on the mound. I mean how are there not rumors swirling about say a Justin Masterson? (not saying he does, just that in 1982 it would have been openly discussed as a possiblity).
   128. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:11 PM (#4261891)
All I have to say re Strasburg is "Brett Anderson."


Is that in favor of shutting him down or not? Anderson was great last night but also isn't exactly a guy you'd point to as the example of a healthy and durable pitcher.
   129. KJOK Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:11 PM (#4261892)
So finally free to watch game and I find out KOZMA hit a HR?!
Kozma's a local boy - he hit a HR to win the Oklahoma State HIgh School Championship 1-0, so I guess he's a clutch hitter. ;>)

   130. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:11 PM (#4261893)
setting aside that i consider that trying hardest to win post a cheap shot and having no dog in this fight if strasburg pitches, his arm falls off, are you second guessing having him pitch?


Of course not. Pitchers get hurt. I don't think the Reds did anything wrong by starting Johnny Cueto or the Cardinals in starting Garcia.

i realize you can give any answer you want but i will assume the honor system in place

i ask because that is such a sportswriter thing to say (what you posted) and the same writers would hammer the nationals for pitching the kid and he got hurt.


That's an easy thing to assert, but I would really like to see some evidence that it has ever happened before.

And I meant it quite literally. I have a hard time rooting for a team in a sporting competition that is not trying its hardest to win. That's why I have little interest in things like the All-Star Game or the WBC.
   131. Gamingboy Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:12 PM (#4261894)
In the future, I'm going to have to have "Red Contacts on Harper" in my checklist.
   132. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:12 PM (#4261895)
"If we had (Strasburg), we'd be up 2-0," the anonymous player told FoxSports.com.

Maybe this time the reporter will think to ask the player's name.


Robert, you know better. This was not an oversight; it's just that no player would go on the record with this statement.
   133. bunyon Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:12 PM (#4261896)
I would just like to say that I'm on record saying Strasburg should pitch in the playoffs.

I would not, now, activate him. They shut him down, it's over. I do think, and have always thought, there is a high likelihood that it is a decision long regretted in Washington.

Still plenty of time to prove me wrong, of course. Except that you're up against the Cardinals which is the true team of mystique and aura. I don't hate the Cardinals. I hate the lowest "seeded" playoff team continually winning and felt the same way early in the 00s when some excellent Cardinal teams got knocked out by lesser foes.

I still have this feeling we're headed for Tigers/Cardinals while the 10 teams that finished the season with better records than them are at home.
   134. JE (Jason) Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:14 PM (#4261898)
An unnamed Nationals player told FoxSports.com that Washington would own a two-game lead over the St. Louis Cardinals in the NL Division Series if Strasburg were on the roster.

"If we had (Strasburg), we'd be up 2-0," the anonymous player told FoxSports.com.

I would chuckle a bit if that was Edwin Jackson's quote.
   135. bunyon Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:14 PM (#4261899)
"If we had (Strasburg), we'd be up 2-0," the anonymous player, who is not on the Washington postseason roster, told FoxSports.com.

Fixed.
   136. JE (Jason) Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:16 PM (#4261902)
Costas is experiencing depth issues. (Maybe he needs a pair of red contacts?) That's the second time a Nats batter has hit that Costas thought was thumped but died far from the wall.
   137. morineko Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:17 PM (#4261903)
Is that in favor of shutting him down or not? Anderson was great last night but also isn't exactly a guy you'd point to as the example of a healthy and durable pitcher.


It's more in favor of having "shut him down" a different way. I could have brought up Kris Medlen, too. Anderson probably shouldn't have been out there for an entirely different reason (the oblique injury) but also no matter what the A's do with him nobody who isn't an A's fan will care. Just like most of us who don't follow the Braves didn't pick up on Medlen's rehab regime until late in the season.

In other A's TJ news Andrew Carignan's supposed to be throwing by November. He had the surgery in mid-June.
   138. esseff Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:20 PM (#4261904)
Anderson and Strasburg were just at different stages of their recoveries. It's not as if the A's made a tactical decision not to let Anderson pitch early in the season, so he'd be available late.
   139. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:20 PM (#4261905)
If the Nats flame out early, the "Shutting down Strasburg was a bad move" second-guessers will be out in force. But is that enough information to make that call, if you haven't decided it already? In other words, if some time traveler had told Nats management that "If you shut down Strasburg, the Nats will be bounced in the NLDS", would they still have done it?
   140. Gamingboy Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:24 PM (#4261908)
We have Mickey Mantle reference by Costas (although Kaat first brought it up) [X]
   141. McCoy Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:25 PM (#4261909)
Dancing presidents
   142. McCoy Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:25 PM (#4261910)
Gangem style
   143. bunyon Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:25 PM (#4261912)
139: I think only if they lose a 5 game series with at least one badly pitched game. So, if they lose this series in 5, yes. Obviously, if they lose in 4, it wouldn't have mattered as much.
   144. Portia Stanke Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:25 PM (#4261913)

Every move they make works out. Every washed up veteran, retread pitching project, faceless minor league FA, everything always ####### works out for them.


There's good luck involved, but Luhnow had an incredible run with STL. The amount of talent he managed to assemble without exceptional draft position is staggering. We'll miss him more than Albert.

And, speaking of good luck, by b-r WAR, Molina just had a better season than Pudge Rodriguez did at any point in his career.
   145. McCoy Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:26 PM (#4261914)
Teddy wins.
   146. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:27 PM (#4261916)
tom

you must not be familiar with the greatest works of mike lupica

he's the easiest example that comes to mind. i don't follow him much nowadays but in his heyday lupica would first guess, second guess and third guess faster than ned yost gets confused in a game of tic-tac-toe
   147. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:28 PM (#4261918)
In other words, if some time traveler had told Nats management that "If you shut down Strasburg, the Nats will be bounced in the NLDS", would they still have done it?


It depends on the next couple of sentences that time traveler used;

"...but Strasburg would go on to win 316 games in his MLB career and lead the Nats to 8 playoff appearances and two world titles while cementing his place as the best non-Walter Johnson pitcher in Washington history"

"...which proved frustrating when Strasburg blew out his knee covering first base in March, 2013. He never really regained his strength and combined with Jordan Zimmermann having a second Tommy John surgery effectively ending his career a year later the seeds of a third lost Washington team were planted."

Obviously the Nats think that the former is more likely. To that end I think losing the NLDS would not have changed their approach one bit. They knew the risk but obviously feel the short term risk is worth the long term benefit.
   148. just plain joe Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:30 PM (#4261923)
Baseball is awesome. So is football.


Half of this statement is true.
   149. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:31 PM (#4261924)
jose

livan hernandez tries but can't throw hard enough for it to work consistently. at least that is my impression. but my eyes are going to h8ll
   150. Portia Stanke Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:31 PM (#4261925)
somebody taught lohse to throw a fastball that moves versus the meatball of years back


I don't know how Dave Duncan never got a nickname; if I had to guess, he was probably such a redass that everyone was afraid to call him anything other than his Christian name. Regardless, I think "Two-Seam" Duncan has a nice ring to it. God knows how much money he made for pitchers like Lohse in his coaching career.
   151. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:32 PM (#4261927)
Harvey, unfortunately, I am all too familiar with the works of Mike Lupica.
   152. esseff Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:33 PM (#4261928)
Wish I had this game on TV (no MLB Net), but maybe this episode of "Seinfeld" on TBS will be funnier than the first 937 times.
   153. Good cripple hitter Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:36 PM (#4261931)
Chris Carpenter could hit for the cycle.
   154. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:36 PM (#4261932)
Pitcher hit!
   155. McCoy Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:36 PM (#4261933)
Morse is always an adventure out there. Can't believer he was a ss
   156. salvomania Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:36 PM (#4261934)
CARP!!!!! I love NL ball
   157. Gamingboy Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:37 PM (#4261936)
Chris Carpenter cannot be stopped.
   158. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:38 PM (#4261938)
tom

mike doesn't put much in print these days so i cannot google anything easily but i know what i heard before i stopped following the guy in any capacity

   159. salvomania Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:38 PM (#4261939)
Do we still have "a bunt by a non-pitcher to move over a player already in scoring position" on the checklist?
   160. esseff Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:38 PM (#4261940)
Dislike middle-inning sacrifices.
   161. salvomania Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:40 PM (#4261943)
That bunt by Jay is all kinds of stupid. Your LEADOFF hitter is up with nobody out, for Christ's sake!!!
   162. Greg K Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:41 PM (#4261944)
This is a pretty crucial at bat.
   163. JE (Jason) Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:41 PM (#4261945)
That bunt by Jay is all kinds of stupid. Your LEADOFF hitter is up with nobody out, for Christ's sake!!!

Ditto, particularly if the runner moved to third refuses to run on a subsequent ground ball.
   164. Famous Original Joe C Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:41 PM (#4261947)
CARP!!!!! I love NL ball

You like a league in which the guy hitting 9th gets hits? I mean, where else can you get that?
   165. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:42 PM (#4261948)
Harvey, if the Nats are running the club in such a way as to minimize criticism from Mike Lupica, they're pretty much a lost cause already.
   166. salvomania Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:43 PM (#4261949)
I wonder what's the difference in run expectancy between runner on 2b, no outs, and your 1-through-4 hitters cxoming up, vs. runner on 3rd, one out, and your 2-3-4 hitters up.

I imagine it's like 1.75 to 1.2 or something.
   167. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:43 PM (#4261950)
Apparently, Carpenter is a better hitter than he is a baserunner.
   168. Greg K Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:43 PM (#4261953)
Ditto, particularly if the runner moved to third refuses to run on a subsequent ground ball.

To be fair I would have given Carpenter a 0.001% chance of scoring on that ground ball....though I suppose running would have taken out the possibility of a double play.
   169. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:44 PM (#4261956)
That bunt by Jay is all kinds of stupid. Your LEADOFF hitter is up with nobody out, for Christ's sake!!!

Dammit Jay, if you get an RBI I have a decent chance at Bingo, why would you do that.
   170. JE (Jason) Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:45 PM (#4261958)
To be fair I would have given Carpenter a 0.001% chance of scoring on that ground ball....though I suppose running would have taken out the possibility of a double play.

You're assuming that Zimmerman throws home instead of going for the DP to end the inning.
   171. Portia Stanke Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:49 PM (#4261964)
Prolly too sensitive to the sac bunt since Matheny is a new manager, but it always rankles when he starts that #### in the early or mid innings.
   172. salvomania Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:51 PM (#4261965)
Prolly too sensitive to the sac bunt since Matheny is a new manager,


Yeah, but he came in with a reputation as a smart guy, even a thinker.
   173. Dr. Vaux Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:51 PM (#4261967)
If Zimmerman hadn't crapped out on Monday, the Strasburg conversation wouldn't be nearly as loud.
   174. cardsfanboy Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:52 PM (#4261968)
I don't see the problem with the bunt there. With a 4-0 lead, improving your chances at one more run at the cost of a bigger inning, is probably the smarter move.
   175. Mark Donelson Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:53 PM (#4261969)
mike doesn't put much in print these days

Oh, yes he does....
   176. salvomania Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:54 PM (#4261970)
I don't see the problem with the bunt there. With a 4-0 lead, improving your chances at one more run at the cost of a bigger inning, is probably the smarter move.


I completely disagree. Pour it on, demoralize them, make the fans start thinking about catching the Metro before it gets too crowded. 9-0 does that, not 5-0.
   177. Gamingboy Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:54 PM (#4261971)
Oh, pressure.
   178. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:56 PM (#4261974)
tom

i never suggested what was driving the nationals decision-making.

i was looking at your post in the very narrow prism of how it sounded like something a writer looking to take a cheap shot would make and just wanted to know if you were willing to explain it

i am done now as this is distracting from teh game and i am getting annoyed
   179. Greg K Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:57 PM (#4261976)
What an at bat by LaRoche!

This is tense.
   180. cardsfanboy Posted: October 10, 2012 at 02:57 PM (#4261977)
I completely disagree. Pour it on, demoralize them, make the fans start thinking about catching the Metro before it gets too crowded. 9-0 does that, not 5-0.


I disagree, I completely believe that the goal of a team should be to shoot for the sweet spot of runs 4-7, which gives you a great chance of winning, the percentage differences between winning with 8 runs vs 5 is negligible.

Also another run means more than a grand slam to tie the game is necessary.
   181. salvomania Posted: October 10, 2012 at 03:00 PM (#4261982)
Boy, Carpenter has pitched out a couple of huge jams, both times retiring Morse to end the inning.
   182. Portia Stanke Posted: October 10, 2012 at 03:00 PM (#4261984)

Yeah, but he came in with a reputation as a smart guy, even a thinker.


I wish Mozeliak had tightened the leash a little when he hired Matheny, but I suspect that he's valued for his leader-of-men qualities and flexibility with players. Even so, he's not Brenly-level awful, and maybe with experience he'll loosen up and gain enough confidence to deviate from the book every now and then.

Carpenter trying to make things exciting...
   183. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 10, 2012 at 03:01 PM (#4261985)
i was looking at your post in the very narrow prism of how it sounded like something a writer looking to take a cheap shot would make and just wanted to know if you were willing to explain it


Well, I am never above taking the cheap shot, but I meant it very sincerely. I would have a very hard time rooting for these Nationals.
   184. Gamingboy Posted: October 10, 2012 at 03:02 PM (#4261988)
Curse of the Teddy
   185. esseff Posted: October 10, 2012 at 03:02 PM (#4261989)
I don't see the problem with the bunt there. With a 4-0 lead, improving your chances at one more run at the cost of a bigger inning, is probably the smarter move.


Jay has a chance of moving the runner by swinging, and, obviously, a chance to do more than that. I don't see that you improve your chances of getting the fifth run by giving up an out.
   186. cardsfanboy Posted: October 10, 2012 at 03:02 PM (#4261990)
I missed the checklists. I'm assuming mentioning of the shadows must be on it.
   187. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: October 10, 2012 at 03:03 PM (#4261991)
Just what America wants to see -- the fifth-place 88-win Cardinals moving on, while the 98-win first-place Nats stay home.
   188. TomH Posted: October 10, 2012 at 03:04 PM (#4261992)
I'm not watching the game, just checking the boxscore. So someone tell me;

Cards hitters: 1 BB, 4 KO
Nats hitters: 2 BB, 1 KO
Cards up, 4-0 (?!?!)

Is there more to it, or is this a severe case of BAPIP + clutch making a game the Nats are playing well into a Cards blowout?
   189. spycake Posted: October 10, 2012 at 03:04 PM (#4261993)
If Zimmerman hadn't crapped out on Monday, the Strasburg conversation wouldn't be nearly as loud.


True. But obviously, removing Strasburg lowered their margin for error, which was the point of the criticism all along. If one of their remaining "big three" crapped out (like Zimmermann did), they are almost certainly looking at a 5 game series. (Not offense to Detwiler either, just that it's a fair bet that either the Nats will lose the Detwiler start and/or just get unlucky and lose one of the Gonzalez/Jackson starts.)
   190. Portia Stanke Posted: October 10, 2012 at 03:05 PM (#4261994)
I don't see the problem with the bunt there. With a 4-0 lead, improving your chances at one more run at the cost of a bigger inning, is probably the smarter move.


Maybe if it'd been Kozma or DD, but Jon Jay has a .370 OBP, we had the platoon advantage, and Edwin Jackson was born with a 1.40 WHIP. Though I'm listening to the broadcast--was it a straight up sacrifice, or it possible Jay was bunting for a hit?

Just what America wants to see -- the fifth-place 88-win Cardinals moving on, while the 98-win first-place Nats stay home.


Sarcasm and WC hate received, but it's hard to believe that the Nationals minus Strasburg would be more appealing to the nation than the Cardinals.
   191. Gamingboy Posted: October 10, 2012 at 03:05 PM (#4261995)
The "Sun Monster" is on it, but that basically was to mean the shadows and such.
   192. cardsfanboy Posted: October 10, 2012 at 03:05 PM (#4261996)
Need a Freese homerun for bingo. Fingers crossed.
   193. cardsfanboy Posted: October 10, 2012 at 03:05 PM (#4261997)
Jay has a chance of moving the runner by swinging, and, obviously, a chance to do a lot more than that. I don't see that you improve your chances of getting the fifth run by giving up an out.


I'm not usually a defender of the bunt, and 99% of the time will suggest that you should never bunt, if I was a manager, I doubt that I would ever call a bunt other than the obvious pitcher batting situations and maybe tied game, as the home team in the ninth or extra innings, but just because I wouldn't call for it, doesn't mean I can't defend the call.
   194. cardsfanboy Posted: October 10, 2012 at 03:06 PM (#4261999)
Maybe if it'd been Kozma or DD, but Jon Jay has a .370 OBP, we had the platoon advantage, and Edwin Jackson was born with a 1.40 WHIP. Though I'm listening to the broadcast--was it a straight up sacrifice, or it possible Jay was bunting for a hit?


Straight up sacrifice.
   195. Rennie's Tenet Posted: October 10, 2012 at 03:06 PM (#4262000)
I'm following online, is there any sense of the air letting out of the Nats/Nats fans since Carpenter escaped from that last jam?
   196. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 10, 2012 at 03:07 PM (#4262001)
Cards hitters: 1 BB, 4 KO
Nats hitters: 2 BB, 1 KO
Cards up, 4-0 (?!?!)

Is there more to it, or is this a severe case of BAPIP + clutch making a game the Nats are playing well into a Cards blowout?


The Cardinals have hit a home run. That's kind of important even if you want to reduce it to a BABIP thing.
   197. Gamingboy Posted: October 10, 2012 at 03:07 PM (#4262002)
FREESE! [X]
   198. cardsfanboy Posted: October 10, 2012 at 03:08 PM (#4262004)
Also need "Nationals 2+ pitcher changes" for Bingo.
   199. Sleepy supports unauthorized rambling Posted: October 10, 2012 at 03:08 PM (#4262005)
completely disagree. Pour it on, demoralize them, make the fans start thinking about catching the Metro before it gets too crowded. 9-0 does that, not 5-0.


Plus, the odds of "getting one more run" were not significantly improved. If nothing else, Jay is a lefty, who strikes out 14% of the time- he's probably going to hit it to the right side, if he makes an out. He was also only successful in 13 of 19 bunt attempts (4 hits), this year, so it's not like it's a sure thing that bunting will even get the guy to third.
   200. spycake Posted: October 10, 2012 at 03:09 PM (#4262006)
Anderson and Strasburg were just at different stages of their recoveries. It's not as if the A's made a tactical decision not to let Anderson pitch early in the season, so he'd be available late.


Hypothetically, though, what if the 2011 Nats season looked like the 2012 A's season? Would Strasburg have returned just for a few September starts like he did, or would they have let him pitch the 2011 postseason? Would they have altered his August/September usage to facilitate a potential 2011 postseason appearance?
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