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Monday, October 08, 2012

Division Series Day Three OMNICHATTER

Nationals (98-64) @ Cardinals (88-74), 4.30pm
  WSN: Jordan Zimmerman (26, RHP, 12-8, 2.94)
  STL: Jaime Garcia (26, LHP, 7-7, 3.92)

Yankees (95-67) @ Orioles (93-69), 8.00pm
  NYY: Andy Pettitte (40, LHP, 5-4, 2.87)
  BAL: Wei-Yin Chen (27, LHP, 12-11, 4.02)

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   201. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 07:54 PM (#4259700)
Mention of Maryland State Troopers [ ]
Ichiro does something awesome [ ]
Matt Wieters does something awesome [ ]
Runner stranded in scoring position [ ]
Somebody suggests that Cal go down there and put on an Orioles uniform [ ]
Shapeshifting Strike Zone [ ]
Replay review [ ]
Conradian Play [ ]
Mention of Boog's Barbecue [ ]
Fort McHenry mentioned [ ]
Derek Jeter called "Clutch" [ ] (Called a "future Hall of Famer" [ ])
Orioles get a one-run lead at any point of the game []
Number of runs scored by either team individually is greater than or equal to number of combined touchdowns, safeties and field goals by the NY Jets tonight []
1-2-3-4-5-6 inning [ ]
Play at the plate []
Yankees have a multi-run inning in the 7th or later [ ]
Web Gem [ ]
Oriole HoFer shoutout chart: Palmer [ ] F. Robinson [ ] B.Robinson [ ] Weaver [ ] Murray [ ] Ripken [X] Any of the St. Louis Brown HoFers (Rick Ferrell, George Sisler or Bobby Wallace) [ ]
It rains [X]
Mention that this may be Jim Thome's last season [ ]
Mention of Nick Swisher's upcoming free agency and his rumored demands [ ]
Shot of Girardi looking at his binder [ ]
Discussion as to whether the Orioles will be competitive next season [ ]
Buck Showalter as Yankee skipper [ ]
Orioles extra-inning streak mentioned [ ]
Strike out of side [ ]
"Babe Ruth was born in Baltimore" or a similar statement [ ]
Past a diving Jeter [ ]
Brett Gardner pinch-runs [ ]
   202. Joey B. Posted: October 08, 2012 at 07:54 PM (#4259701)
The greatest and classiest fans in baseball, ladies and gentlemen!
   203. Guts Posted: October 08, 2012 at 07:55 PM (#4259702)
Ok, I think we can officially call this a shellacking now.
   204. cardsfanboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 07:55 PM (#4259703)
The greatest and classiest fans in baseball, ladies and gentlemen!


What did they do?
   205. Lassus Posted: October 08, 2012 at 07:55 PM (#4259704)
Oh FFS, Joey, now what?
   206. Guts Posted: October 08, 2012 at 07:56 PM (#4259705)
The greatest and classiest fans in baseball, ladies and gentlemen!

?
   207. greenback calls it soccer Posted: October 08, 2012 at 07:57 PM (#4259708)
I'm guessing Joey wasn't happy with the Albert Who? sign.
   208. Joey B. Posted: October 08, 2012 at 07:58 PM (#4259710)
The woman they just showed holding up the big "Albert who?" sign.
   209. salvomania Posted: October 08, 2012 at 07:58 PM (#4259711)
They kept actively cheering as the Cardinals poured it on, well past the point at which they should have been simply nodding favorably to each other.
   210. cardsfanboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 07:58 PM (#4259712)
I'm guessing Joey wasn't happy with the Albert Who? signed.


I guess he wouldn't take much enjoyment in the Albert Pujols facebook meme, where they have Albert sitting in front of a big screen tv watching the Cardinals play in the post season, either.
   211. Guts Posted: October 08, 2012 at 07:59 PM (#4259714)
The woman they just showed holding up the big "Albert who?" sign.

Uh...sure.
   212. cardsfanboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:00 PM (#4259716)
This is the evidence that Matheny doesn't know the quality of his relievers. In this situation you should bring in your worse reliever, which is either Scrabble or Salas, not one of the better ones.
   213. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:01 PM (#4259718)
To be really sporting, the Cardinals should have voluntarily left one of their best starting pitchers off the postseason roster.
   214. Joey B. Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:01 PM (#4259719)
The point is that when you cut through all the smug BS, there's really nothing special about Cardinals fans; at heart they're exactly like all the rest of us.
   215. Guts Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:02 PM (#4259720)
This is the evidence that Matheny doesn't know the quality of his relievers. In this situation you should bring in your worse reliever, which is either Scrabble or Salas, not one of the better ones.

I think that has already been proven beyond any standard over the course of the year.
   216. greenback calls it soccer Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:02 PM (#4259722)
The point is that when cut through all the smug BS, there's really nothing special about Cardinals fans; at heart they're exactly like all the rest of us.

You just figured this out?
   217. salvomania Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:03 PM (#4259723)
Love Rosenthal hitting the triple digits on both swinging strike threes against Werth and Harper.

He'd have been a nice guy to see in yesterday's 8th, no?
   218. Lassus Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:03 PM (#4259725)
Harper has been having a slow start to his postseason.
   219. salvomania Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:04 PM (#4259726)
there's really nothing special about Cardinals fans; at heart they're exactly like all the rest of us.


I'm sure every actual intelligent Cardinal fan knows this, since about age 9.
   220. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:04 PM (#4259727)
Harper has been having a slow start to his postseason.


Harper is on the record as saying he's never done well in All-Star Games. Don't know if anybody has ever asked his history in playoffs.
   221. salvomania Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:06 PM (#4259728)
And he closes the game out with another 100-mph swinging strike.

Go BIRDS!!!!
   222. Bourbon Samurai Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:06 PM (#4259729)

Well, that sucked, but if you told me before the series that we could get out of St. Louis 1-1, I'd be ok with it.
   223. Guts Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:07 PM (#4259730)
Take it. Gotta win a road series now.
   224. cardsfanboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:07 PM (#4259731)
That's a winner. Tie series.. Both team probably are happy with that result.
   225. fra paolo Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:08 PM (#4259732)
So a best-of-three in Nationals Park isn't so bad.
   226. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:09 PM (#4259733)
Uh, why don't they have the tarp down, what with it raining and all?
   227. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:09 PM (#4259734)
Boo to the rain!
   228. cardsfanboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:09 PM (#4259736)
there's really nothing special about Cardinals fans; at heart they're exactly like all the rest of us.


I'm sure every actual intelligent Cardinal fan knows this, since about age 9.


Watching a national broadcast last week(or week before can't remember) and the announcer kept going on about how the Cardinal fans are different, in that they cheer for the other team when they make a good play, and he mentioned that the players on the other teams even talk about that.

Not sure if that makes us special, but yes, every group of fans is different, to think differently is silly.
   229. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:10 PM (#4259737)
Is that a triple, or do they call that a double and error? I give the benefit of the doubt to the batter.


At SABR this summer they had a scorekeepers panel and Stew Thornley (who does it in Minnesota) said that was in fact the official directive from MLB.
   230. Bourbon Samurai Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:18 PM (#4259738)
So a best-of-three in Nationals Park isn't so bad.


Agreed- hopefully everybody's worked the yips out of their system and all that
   231. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:22 PM (#4259739)
Quick question: Is it true that St. Louis has the highest number of people who keep score? I seem to remember reading that somewhere. That would be a pretty good way of proving they are the "best fans in baseball", I'd say. I'm not even able to keep score in most games (mainly because of the need to "get food" or "couldn't find a pencil" or "was a cheapskate").
   232. Lassus Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:27 PM (#4259744)
I'm not even able to keep score in most games (mainly because of the need to "get food" or "couldn't find a pencil" or "was a cheapskate").

I tried a few times, but as it wasn't second-nature, it just pretty much ruined the contemplative nature of the game for me.
   233. salvomania Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:27 PM (#4259745)
Quick question: Is it true that St. Louis has the highest number of people who keep score?


At games I go to, not everyone is keeping score. There are some younger kids, some huffed-up teens, some girlfriends (and boyfriends), etc., who don't keep score, but maybe 75 percent of the rest are keeping score. Don't know how that compares to other parks, but most of us (at least me and all the kids I knew) who were brought to Busch Stadium learned how by age 7 or 8 and kept it up from then on.

EDIT: A great souvenir I still have is from when I showed up for BP before a mid-'70s Cardinals-Mets game and saw Tom Seaver hanging along the front-row seats and I ran down and got his autograph on my scorecard, in Busch Stadium No. 2 pencil.
   234. cardsfanboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:29 PM (#4259746)
Quick question: Is it true that St. Louis has the highest number of people who keep score?


There is no way to prove it one way or the other, but generally speaking, it seems that more people keep score in St Louis then most other parks(I think Cincy is another one with a high percentage) at least according to the announcers.
   235. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:31 PM (#4259748)

At games I go to, not everyone is keeping score. There are some younger kids, some huffed-up teens, some girlfriends (and boyfriends), etc., who don't keep score, but maybe 75 percent of the rest are keeping score. Don't know how that compares to other parks, but most of us (at least me and all the kids I knew) who were brought to Busch Stadium learned how by age 7 or 8 and kept it up from then on.


That is far more than in most stadiums. I, admittedly, wasn't looking that hard, but I can't remember seeing a single person keeping score last night in OPACY.
   236. cardsfanboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:32 PM (#4259749)
I tried a few times, but as it wasn't second-nature, it just pretty much ruined the contemplative nature of the game for me.


I don't always keep score for the entire game, but usually I'll get most innings in there. I also buy the score pad that they sell, then I paperclip the ticket to the scoresheet/program so that I have a record of every game I've been to. Alas I haven't organized them in any way so it does me no good as they are spread out over about 10 different boxes.
   237. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:34 PM (#4259750)
Let me tell you, it effing sucked last night during the rain delay. They didn't even bother to show the Nationals game on the Jumbotron until it was in like the 8th or 9th inning with the only entertainment being the ALDS logo screensaver they put up.
You also didn't come to see me. 2 hours and you didn't bother. Thanks.

That is far more than in most stadiums. I, admittedly, wasn't looking that hard, but I can't remember seeing a single person keeping score last night in OPACY.
I WAS!!!
   238. salvomania Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:36 PM (#4259751)
but maybe 75 percent of the rest are keeping score.


And when I wrote 75 percent of the rest, I meant like maybe 10 or 15 percent. It certainly isn't most, but there's definitely a person or two every row, or so I recall.
   239. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:38 PM (#4259753)
Sorry Larry. As I said, it's been a crazy past few days.
   240. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:39 PM (#4259755)
Sorry Larry. As I said, it's been a crazy past few days.
When the O's get to the ALCS, I'll be working Game Four or Five. I'll let you know.
   241. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:39 PM (#4259756)
Don't like I they have replaced the orange towels with white. Gives off the wrong message.
   242. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:41 PM (#4259757)
Don't like I they have replaced the orange towels with white. Gives off the wrong message.
I have no doubt that they're saying the same thing in the press box right now.

That sea of orange last night was impressive. And when Martin hit that homer, you really knew how numerous O's fans were last night, because the cheers were very quiet.
   243. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:43 PM (#4259758)
Great, we're subjecting the Asian media to Craig Sager. How are we going to explain him to them?
   244. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:44 PM (#4259759)
We commented last night that sticking the Asian reporters in the segregated press box (that's where MASN does their pre/post game) seemed a bit... wrong.
   245. esseff Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:44 PM (#4259762)
R.B. Fallstrom reports Jaime Garcia was pulled because his arm didn't feel right. He's had problems in the past, so I hope it's not serious.
   246. Lassus Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:45 PM (#4259764)
Sager is the most annoying, loathsome human being in the history of the universe.
   247. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:45 PM (#4259765)
Nunez DH?!?!?!

WHAT THE ####, JOE?!?!
   248. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:46 PM (#4259766)
I'm glad I'll forever be able to say that I saw Ichiro play in person, even if it was as a Yankee in one of the final years of his career.
   249. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:50 PM (#4259767)
Raul Ibanez hit a foul ball last night that hit in the upper deck on the third base side. I have never seen a foul ball hit into that part of the upper deck. I assure you that the fan who missed that ball had no expectation that a ball would come anywhere near them last night.
   250. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:51 PM (#4259768)
I'm not horrified by Nunez being the short half of the DH platoon. However, if he gets within 100 yards of a glove this playoff season, I'll kill Girardi with my bare hands.
   251. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:52 PM (#4259770)
Dumb play by Reynolds. Andino would have had the 4-3 if Reynolds had stayed at home.
   252. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:52 PM (#4259771)
Okay, my gut says that isn't Conradian, but...
   253. Lassus Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:52 PM (#4259772)
Not optimal, Reynolds.

   254. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:55 PM (#4259773)
Wait, what the heck just happened?
   255. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:55 PM (#4259774)
Great play.
   256. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:55 PM (#4259776)
Wow. Uhm, wow.
   257. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:55 PM (#4259777)
Wow.
   258. salvomania Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:56 PM (#4259778)
Jeter looks rounder and more hairless than usual.

EDIT: Now that I've seen Cal Ripken Jr, maybe that's just how older shortstops start to look as they age.
   259. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:56 PM (#4259779)
That was almost first and third, nobody out with a run in. Instead a runner on first two outs.

Ladies and gentlemen, that's the Orioles' season summed in on one play.
   260. cardsfanboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:56 PM (#4259780)
Arod chokes again.
   261. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:57 PM (#4259782)
ICHIRO! AMAZING!!!!
   262. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:57 PM (#4259783)
Wow,
   263. Lassus Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:57 PM (#4259784)
Yowza. Think it was right, though.
   264. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:57 PM (#4259785)
WHAT!? How the hell did Ichiro do that? It's like he Matrixed Wieters.
   265. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:57 PM (#4259786)
HOLY #### ICHIRO!!!
   266. The Ghost is getting a Woody Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:57 PM (#4259787)
Catcher should dive on TOP of the plate the second time (that he tries to tag him).
   267. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:58 PM (#4259788)
That's a great play by Ichiro.
   268. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:58 PM (#4259790)
That's like something you'd see in a baseball movie.
   269. Blastin Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:58 PM (#4259791)
Chen getting hit pretty hard so far.
   270. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:58 PM (#4259792)
Wieters always does that sweep tag, and usually makes it.
   271. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:58 PM (#4259793)
Yeah, that was the correct call. Ichiro just, and I do mean just avoided the tag.
   272. The Ghost is getting a Woody Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:59 PM (#4259794)
.. though I can't fault Wieters.
   273. salvomania Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:59 PM (#4259795)
That was like a choreographed dance number.
   274. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:59 PM (#4259796)
He's the only guy on the team who scores there. He might be the only guy in the league who scores there.
   275. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:59 PM (#4259797)
ICHI THE THRILLER!
   276. fra paolo Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:59 PM (#4259798)
Ichiro! uses his ninja skills to evade the Herculean Wieters.
   277. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:59 PM (#4259799)
Surprised Angel Hernandez got the call right.
   278. Lassus Posted: October 08, 2012 at 08:59 PM (#4259800)
Wait, that doesn't count as out of the baseline?
   279. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:00 PM (#4259802)
There have been three tough calls this series, and the umps have gotten them all correct.
   280. Eddo Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:00 PM (#4259803)
I'm not even able to keep score in most games (mainly because of the need to "get food" or "couldn't find a pencil" or "was a cheapskate").

How much do scorecards cost most places? At U.S. Cellular, they are $1.

My mom keeps score at every Sox game she goes to (roughly 20 a year). There are scorecards in every seat pocket of her car and all over the garage. The one she doesn't have? Game one of the 2005 World Series.
   281. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:00 PM (#4259804)
Anyone figure out what the Super-Mo angle is for on Postseason.Tv?

I was hoping it would be for replays, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
   282. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:00 PM (#4259805)
Runs scored has been pretty thoroughly debunked as a statistic. But Ichiro deserves some sort of crazy statistical bump based on that play.
   283. The Ghost is getting a Woody Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:00 PM (#4259806)
What is "out of the baseline" though? doesn't that apply? Guess not.
   284. Random Transaction Generator Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:01 PM (#4259807)
Whoever is preparing Ichiro's HOF induction video just added that under his "baserunning" highlights section.
   285. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:02 PM (#4259808)
Gamingboy, #264 was great. Thanks.
   286. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:02 PM (#4259809)
That was not on Wieters, it was all on Ichiro. That could rival his rainbow of a outfield assist as his signature play.
   287. Random Transaction Generator Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:04 PM (#4259812)
Credit goes to the ump for being in the right place for the call, and making the correct call.

Oh, and my wife is watching a delayed viewing of that new show "Partners" in the other room.
The storyline is the main character just found out that his fiancee's prior boyfriend was Derek Jeter.
(She didn't tell him.)

I'll have to ask her later if "gift basket" was mentioned.
   288. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:05 PM (#4259813)
You can head back halfway to the dugout, then change your mind and touch home, and still be called safe, right?
   289. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:05 PM (#4259814)
I'm not normally like this, but I think Andy should dye his hair. Doesn't he realize how old he's making me feel by looking like that?
   290. The Ghost is getting a Woody Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:05 PM (#4259815)
That play reminds me of another clever baserunning play that I've seen Ichiro pull several times. When he's caught in a rundown and another runner has a chance to advance, he usually ends up finally running way out of the baseline, moving almost perpendicular to the line and away from the center of the diamond. The guy with the ball ends up chasing him, and it allows the other runner to get another base at times. A little thing, but effective.
   291. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:06 PM (#4259817)
You can head back halfway to the dugout, then change your mind and touch home, and still be called safe, right?


Probably depends. Could technically be like leaving the baseline, like if you decided to run to the pitchers mound before going to second for some strange reason.
   292. Lassus Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:07 PM (#4259818)
I'm still curious about the baseline question. Going on the view up the third base line, someone goes that far out of the line to first or second, they are out, aren't they? Is it as #288 says?
   293. salajander Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:07 PM (#4259819)
I'm not normally like this, but I think Andy should dye his hair. Doesn't he realize how old he's making me feel by looking like that?

Wife thinks Andy looks great with the grey, but I agree - makes me realize how old I am.
   294. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:07 PM (#4259820)
You can head back halfway to the dugout, then change your mind and touch home, and still be called safe, right?

Yes, there is no "base-line" at home plate. Chris Chambliss came back from the clubhouse, hours later, to touch home in 1976.
   295. The Ghost is getting a Woody Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:08 PM (#4259821)
I was actually thinking of him originally approaching home and going so wide before he got there.

EDIT - what Lassus said in 292.
   296. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:08 PM (#4259822)
Once you've gone all the way from third to home and just need to touch the plate, there no longer is a baseline to follow, no?
   297. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:09 PM (#4259824)
Yes, there is no "base-line" at home plate. Chris Chambliss came back from the clubhouse, hours later, to touch home in 1976.
That didn't count. The game was over when the Royals abandoned the field, thus forfeiting their right to appeal.
   298. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:10 PM (#4259825)
Yes, there is no "base-line" at home plate. Chris Chambliss came back from the clubhouse, hours later, to touch home in 1976.


So if you're going to be out at home by a mile, just don't let the catcher get you. Hide in the dugout until no one is looking, then score the run.
   299. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:11 PM (#4259826)
Once you've gone all the way from third to home and just need to touch the plate, there no longer is a baseline to follow, no?
The runner establishes his own baseline, three feet in either direction from a direct line to home plate. Only part of you needs to be in the baseline, and I think Ichiro was. The rest was an overslide, which is not an attempt to avoid the tag, but merely momentum, and doesn't count as being out of the baseline.
   300. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:11 PM (#4259827)
I was sitting in a part of the lower deck that was far back enough where there were TVs showing the TBS feed, which allowed us to see replays when the rest of the stadium hadn't. I imagine that most of the booing over the Ichiro call (besides the usual "boo when the other team scores" stuff) was NOT coming from those sections.
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